EPTAs far as the game vs Solar he was likely laughing because he realized he had completely failed to notice the base which he had scouted(he likely used hotkeys and mini-map to re-direct his overlord and failed to see creep on the mini-map). You would have to be pretty braindead to start laughing in joy on a live stream in a game you have just rigged... Give me a break what is going on here is a tragedy and more people need to speak out and demand for answers and responses. We should know much more by now and this is a cruel injustice to Life and the entire E-sports community. If we allow the legends of our community to be destroyed, demeaned, and banned without seeing completely evidence then we don't deserve to exist as a community and we won't.
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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote: Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed. This goes for other players too. -The_Templar | ||
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NeRve_ShoCk
United States19 Posts
As far as the game vs Solar he was likely laughing because he realized he had completely failed to notice the base which he had scouted(he likely used hotkeys and mini-map to re-direct his overlord and failed to see creep on the mini-map). You would have to be pretty braindead to start laughing in joy on a live stream in a game you have just rigged... Give me a break what is going on here is a tragedy and more people need to speak out and demand for answers and responses. We should know much more by now and this is a cruel injustice to Life and the entire E-sports community. If we allow the legends of our community to be destroyed, demeaned, and banned without seeing completely evidence then we don't deserve to exist as a community and we won't. | ||
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Gwavajuice
France1810 Posts
On February 08 2016 10:14 NeRve_ShoCk wrote: I'll use my first post since this is an extremely important and shameful event that is occurring (and not on Life's part). These allegations will be proven false or at the very least will never be proven true. Life has everything to lose by cheating being not only one of the best but one of the youngest E sports LEGENDS. He would be risking throwing this all away for a payoff? This is totally beyond the realm of possibility and I know many will disagree. This video of him vs solar is PROOF that he did not cheat because everyone fails to notice this is a 3way spawn map and if he wanted to be surprised he had to do 1 simple thing. Scout the wrong direction, which he DID NOT DO. Life is a genius in sc2 and we are supposed to sit here and believe hes too dumb to scout the wrong direction in a rigged game? Give me a break what is going on here is a tragedy and more people need to speak out and demand for answers and responses. We should know much more by now and this is a cruel injustice to life and the entire E-sports community. I certainly won't think life is guilty before he's proven so by korean justice, but you realize that he can't know what the wrong way is before he actually scouts his opponent's position,don't you? | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
On February 08 2016 10:14 NeRve_ShoCk wrote: I'll use my first post since this is an extremely important and shameful event that is occurring (and not on Life's part). These allegations will be proven false or at the very least will never be proven true. Life has everything to lose by cheating being not only one of the best but one of the youngest E sports LEGENDS. He would be risking throwing this all away for a payoff? This is totally beyond the realm of possibility and I know many will disagree. This video of him vs solar is PROOF that he did not cheat because everyone fails to notice this is a 3way spawn map and if he wanted to be surprised he had to do 1 simple thing. Scout the wrong direction, which he DID NOT DO. Life is a genius in sc2 and we are supposed to sit here and believe hes too dumb to scout the wrong direction in a rigged game? Maybe this is not the game in question but I still have complete faith that he would never do what is being suggested. Give me a break what is going on here is a tragedy and more people need to speak out and demand for answers and responses. We should know much more by now and this is a cruel injustice to life and the entire E-sports community. are you trolling? spawns are random, it's impossible to know where your opponent is short of walking over to their booth and looking at their screen. keep in mind only 1 of the players is usually involved in fixing the match, and even if both are, they can't exactly just tell each other. | ||
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Clonester
Germany2808 Posts
On February 08 2016 10:14 NeRve_ShoCk wrote: I'll use my first post since this is an extremely important and shameful event that is occurring (and not on Life's part). These allegations will be proven false or at the very least will never be proven true. Life has everything to lose by cheating being not only one of the best but one of the youngest E sports LEGENDS. He would be risking throwing this all away for a payoff? This is totally beyond the realm of possibility and I know many will disagree. This video of him vs solar is PROOF that he did not cheat because everyone fails to notice this is a 3way spawn map and if he wanted to be surprised he had to do 1 simple thing. Scout the wrong direction, which he DID NOT DO. Life is a genius in sc2 and we are supposed to sit here and believe hes too dumb to scout the wrong direction in a rigged game? Maybe this is not the game in question but I still have complete faith that he would never do what is being suggested. Give me a break what is going on here is a tragedy and more people need to speak out and demand for answers and responses. We should know much more by now and this is a cruel injustice to life and the entire E-sports community. The game vs Solar is just a wild guess in the community. It doesnt even have to be in the investigation, it proofs neither the guilt of life nor his innocence. Just saying its impossible to match fix because you are a "esport Legend" or made a decent amount of cash in 4 years, is not enough to proof anything. We had one of these "esport Legens" being part of match fixing already in Starcraft, there have been other "Sports Legends" who did illegal shit and ruined their life. There are alot of other factors that can make you fixing from stupidity to gambling addiction. | ||
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NeRve_ShoCk
United States19 Posts
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necrosexy
451 Posts
On February 08 2016 10:31 NeRve_ShoCk wrote: Nobody this young with this much promise and prestige has ever been found to be cheating. This would be like being on your way to CEO and robbing the company, It's illogical and highly unlikely especially from a very intelligent person. promise? he's well beyond that point | ||
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NeRve_ShoCk
United States19 Posts
Say it how you will my point is life has immense talent and his promise of future success (especially with zerg changes) is greater than ever before. None of this adds up, not even a little bit. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On February 08 2016 10:42 NeRve_ShoCk wrote: Say it how you will my point is life has immense talent and his promise of future success (especially with zerg changes) is greater than ever before. None of this adds up, not even a little bit. It would indeed be super silly for him to have done anything like this. Doesn't mean he hasn't though. | ||
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NeRve_ShoCk
United States19 Posts
On February 08 2016 10:52 Phredxor wrote: It would indeed be super silly for him to have done anything like this. Doesn't mean he hasn't though. True but If I could bet 1000$ he has done nothing right now, I would do it in a heartbeat. Life has always came across as dedicated, extremely intelligent and talented. Not silly or stupid and wreckless. | ||
BisuDagger
Bisutopia19391 Posts
On February 08 2016 10:31 NeRve_ShoCk wrote: Nobody this young with this much promise and prestige has ever been found to be cheating. This would be like being on your way to CEO and robbing the company, It's illogical and highly unlikely especially from a very intelligent person. Savior? | ||
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NeRve_ShoCk
United States19 Posts
Not at all even wikipedia tells you savior was on a downward trend for literally years before he ended up cheating. It completely adds up. He likely became frustrated and eventually gave up. Also I have to say seeing so many caught before would only make it less likely someone in their prime would engage in any type of cheating whatsoever. | ||
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evolsiefil
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NeRve_ShoCk
United States19 Posts
On February 08 2016 11:10 evolsiefil wrote: nerve shock, thx for your post. even its only some random guys opinion, it somehow sparked some hope in me again. i love you brother. I'm glad. I just couldn't sit back and watch this anymore, there's a fire burning inside of me. | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On February 08 2016 11:05 NeRve_ShoCk wrote: Not at all even wikipedia tells you savior was on a downward trend for literally years before he ended up cheating. It completely adds up. He likely became frustrated and eventually gave up. Also I have to say seeing so many caught before would only make it less likely someone in their prime would engage in any type of cheating whatsoever. The argument that someone must not have cheated because they have a lot to lose is not very smart. | ||
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NeRve_ShoCk
United States19 Posts
On February 08 2016 11:15 Doodsmack wrote: The argument that someone must not have cheated because they have a lot to lose is not very smart. What? | ||
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NeRve_ShoCk
United States19 Posts
On February 08 2016 11:15 NeRve_ShoCk wrote: What? First of all yes it is, Secondly I said its extremely unlikely and illogical. | ||
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xccam
Great Britain1154 Posts
Your ENTIRE argument is that someone who is successful wouldn't do something illegal for more money. This sounds logical but has NO basis in fact. For example, Bernie Ebbers, Walter Forbes, Martin Grass, Dennis Kozlowski, Sanjay Kumar, Ken Lay, Joe Nacchio, John Rigas, Jeff Skilling, and Sam Waksal. All CEO's of Multi MILLION $ companies, all found guilty of fraud of some form or another in order to make more money. They were all extremely wealthy, so surely it is impossible for them to risk it all like that? http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/what-motivates-rich-powerful-ceos-to-commit-corporate-fraud/ | ||
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NeRve_ShoCk
United States19 Posts
On February 08 2016 11:15 Doodsmack wrote: The argument that someone must not have cheated because they have a lot to lose is not very smart. Its a very strong argument actually. Here's an example: Your one of the best bowlers in the world.. would you be likely to start rigging bowling matches? Risking not only all the money and winnings but your lifetime reputation? | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
On February 08 2016 11:24 NeRve_ShoCk wrote: Its a very strong argument actually. Here's an example: Your one of the best bowlers in the world.. would you be likely to start rigging bowling matches? Risking not only all the money and winnings but your lifetime reputation? Happened fairly recently in cricket. A super promising young bowler did some spot fixing (Sounds like he was led into it by older teammates/captain) and got sent to jail and banned from the game for some time. Luckily for him his ban wasn't for life and he just got to come back. But there are many reason why someone might do it. | ||
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NeRve_ShoCk
United States19 Posts
On February 08 2016 11:24 xccam wrote: Nerve_shock this argument is ridiculous. Your ENTIRE argument is that someone who is successful wouldn't do something illegal for more money. This sounds logical but has NO basis in fact. For example, Bernie Ebbers, Walter Forbes, Martin Grass, Dennis Kozlowski, Sanjay Kumar, Ken Lay, Joe Nacchio, John Rigas, Jeff Skilling, and Sam Waksal. All CEO's of Multi MILLION $ companies, all found guilty of fraud of some form or another in order to make more money. They were all extremely wealthy, so surely it is impossible for them to risk it all like that? http://www.cnet.com/uk/news/what-motivates-rich-powerful-ceos-to-commit-corporate-fraud/ Yeah I should have never brought CEO's into the debate lmao horrable comparison on my part. Now name some people who were at the top of their Sports that did the same and I'll be impressed. | ||
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