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Life arrested on match-fixing charges - Page 62
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On February 14 2016 08:59 Seeker wrote: Starting from this page on, I will be moderating more harshly toward any mention of MarineKing's name. This thread has NOTHING to do with MarineKing. Do not talk about MarineKing even if you are defending him. Just don't do it. Please no match-fixing accusations on MarineKing or any other player if it has not officially been confirmed. This goes for other players too. -The_Templar | ||
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NeRve_ShoCk
United States19 Posts
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Shortizz
Singapore129 Posts
On February 08 2016 14:13 Doodsmack wrote: You should go tell the authorities in NYC that Bernie Madoff would have never committed fraud, because he had too much to lose. After all, he was already incredibly successful before it supposedly started, therefore he had no reason to do any of it. Let us know how it goes, alright bud? Hopefully they will tell you how naive you are. Oh but wait...since Madoff was already established, that means you can bring up your awesome insight that the Life analogy would only apply if Madoff was just getting started. Except...that IS when Madoff's fraud started...around the same time he started a highly successful, separate (and legitimate) business. Not that I even need to bring up an actual example to make the point that a human might cheat for irrational reasons...or because his grandma got sick and needed money...or any other random reason (like wanting more money and thinking he wouldn't get caught). U kidding me? That guy got rich because he is a fraud right from the start. Your analogy is not even close. | ||
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LongShot27
United States2084 Posts
On February 08 2016 15:00 NeRve_ShoCk wrote: Well innocent or guilty he has already done more time in jail that I believe any of the others who have been charged and found guilty of match-fixing.. plz correct me if I'm wrong but this is taking way too long. Something just doesn't seem right and I'm guessing he is absolutely refusing to admit to being guilty which could be the hold up.. otherwise we would have heard something by now. Perhaps this has something to do with the South Korean government not supporting E-sports. # Free Life You've never been arrested have you? He's giving them names of gamblers and fixers and cooperating to lessen his sentence, we won't hear anything for weeks, probably months until those investigations are complete. | ||
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NeRve_ShoCk
United States19 Posts
On February 08 2016 15:19 LongShot27 wrote: You've never been arrested have you? He's giving them names of gamblers and fixers and cooperating to lessen his sentence, we won't hear anything for weeks, probably months until those investigations are complete. It takes weeks to give them the gamblers names? He can give them that in a matter of hours and they can then continue the investigation without him behind bars, unless they think hes a flight risk... lol. I don't remember anyone else being held in jail for this much time and I know from experience just 1 day in jail is completely miserable unless you are entirely use to it so yes I've been arrested once. I can't imagine how miserable it would be for two weeks.. remember in jail your usually alone with literally nobody to even talk to except yourself and maybe the guard. Like I said if I'm wrong please correct me. To me this seems to be taking way too long to get info something seems fishy. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
As for jail sucking, well yes, it does. That's sort of the point. | ||
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NeRve_ShoCk
United States19 Posts
On February 08 2016 15:56 Squat wrote: If they are keeping him in custody this long it's likely to prevent him from contacting or speaking with others who may also be involved. It's standard procedure to ensure suspects don't get together and come up with a collective story to deflect blame or provide each other with aliases. As for jail sucking, well yes, it does. That's sort of the point. That makes sense. That would support the belief that he is not admitting guilt and is still fighting this. They better have rock solid evidence because he likely has the funds to fight this in court it would be a terrible injustice holding him in order to in some way coerce a confession out of him. Also where is the news of the others arrested who were involved as in the Yoda case, instead nothing.. after two weeks. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
Also, these things take time. It could be weeks before we hear anything. Personally, I'd expect some kind of plea bargain. The idea that Life is completely innocent and will just walk away from this is one I don't find very realistic. | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24604 Posts
On February 08 2016 16:23 Squat wrote: Korean prosecutors are notoriously thorough, it is highly unlikely they would have charged Life directly unless they had a very good evidentiary platform to stand on. The conviction rate in Korea for crimes like these is something like 98%, IIRC. Also, these things take time. It could be weeks before we hear anything. Personally, I'd expect some kind of plea bargain. The idea that Life is completely innocent and will just walk away from this is one I don't find very realistic. Squat: Do you know that there is such a thing as a plea bargain in Korea, though? It doesn't exist in our countries or many other systems of law. | ||
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On February 08 2016 16:28 Heartland wrote: Squat: Do you know that there is such a thing as a plea bargain in Korea, though? It doesn't exist in our countries or many other systems of law. There's no way for a criminal to cooperate with the police in Sweden in exchange for a lessened sentence? Really? That sounds like a serious handicap for the police/intelligence agencies | ||
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Heartland
Sweden24604 Posts
On February 08 2016 16:38 pure.Wasted wrote: There's no way for a criminal to cooperate with the police in Sweden in exchange for a lessened sentence? Really? That sounds like a serious handicap for the police/intelligence agencies Well, depending on your attitude to the crime you've committed the sentence is usually affected. There's a difference between laughing as you tell the court about how you ran over a child and how great it felt and crying and being mournful. I think possible cooperation with law enforcement affects that or is seen as part of that. But basically, there is a long discussion that plea bargains etc corrupts the justice system and that's why some countries like Sweden doesn't have it. | ||
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Squat
Sweden7978 Posts
On February 08 2016 16:42 Heartland wrote: Well, depending on your attitude to the crime you've committed the sentence is usually affected. There's a difference between laughing as you tell the court about how you ran over a child and how great it felt and crying and being mournful. I think possible cooperation with law enforcement affects that or is seen as part of that. But basically, there is a long discussion that plea bargains etc corrupts the justice system and that's why some countries like Sweden doesn't have it. That is true, the actual system of plea bargains doesn't exist in the sense that you cannot simply accept a reduced sentence to avoid a trial altogether, but you can certainly get a lower sentence by cooperating with the police. Swedish legal history and jurisprudence is full of cases where a suspect got off lightly by providing critical information, especially if it helped bring other, more prominent figures to justice. I assume something similar exists in Korea. Probably a bad choice of words on my part, I was referring more to the concept of cooperation in exchange for some degree of leniency. | ||
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rollindice
1 Post
On January 31 2016 18:31 alexanderzero wrote: I mean, are there really people out there who can follow SC2 matches and would rather watch LoL? I believe that SC2 is the best game there is for spectators. I totally agree with you, one of the best game out there for spectators | ||
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nighcol
298 Posts
On February 08 2016 16:23 Squat wrote: Korean prosecutors are notoriously thorough, it is highly unlikely they would have charged Life directly unless they had a very good evidentiary platform to stand on. The conviction rate in Korea for crimes like these is something like 98%, IIRC. Also, these things take time. It could be weeks before we hear anything. Personally, I'd expect some kind of plea bargain. The idea that Life is completely innocent and will just walk away from this is one I don't find very realistic. Again, we don't know that they have formally charged him. Korean law allows a person to be detained/arrested during investigation, before the prosecutor decides indict him. On February 08 2016 16:28 Heartland wrote: Squat: Do you know that there is such a thing as a plea bargain in Korea, though? It doesn't exist in our countries or many other systems of law. There is no plea bargain in Korea. For very minor crimes (I don't think the ones Life's suspected of quality even just because they will be publicly prosecuted) there are some similar procedures that are not officially codified in the law at all, where the parties can negotiate for an agreement. If they can reach one the would-be plaintiff agrees to not raise any charges. | ||
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waiting2Bbanned
United States154 Posts
There's no way for a criminal to cooperate with the police in Sweden in exchange for a lessened sentence? Really? That sounds like a serious handicap for the police/intelligence agencies Well if you're familiar with how justice works in the US, where a large majority of the cases end up in a plea bargain (with lots of innocent people admitting guilt), it's because of prosecutors working hand in hand with the police and the courts to strong-arm crappy state-appointed lawyers who are swamped with cases they have literally MINUTES to work on. These prosecutors and sometimes judges have as their primary goal being elected/re-elected or get into politics, so their campaigns take absolute priority over anything you could call "justice". Having lived in Europe for over a decade, I know for a fact that this is not really the case in EU, and I could imagine it might be different in Korea too. My point is trying to equate the Korean justice system with the US one might not be realistic. just my 2 cents | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
with nothing to actually talk about this is just people speculating, other people getting angry about the speculation, and then hostility | ||
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Doodsmack
United States7224 Posts
On February 08 2016 15:14 Shortizz wrote: U kidding me? That guy got rich because he is a fraud right from the start. Your analogy is not even close. His legitimate business was separate from the fraud, highly successful, and started very early on. All aspects of the analogy hold. | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On February 08 2016 11:49 NeRve_ShoCk wrote: Your welcome teamliquid. Now I have. So some comparisons: Firstly he was already retired and a bit older than life at the time he was caught.. by about 30years. I also noticed he made a point of telling the committee that he only betted with his team never against, no doubt in order to preserve some dignity of his reputation. So he was banned but no doubt amassed millions of dollars during his long career which he only began gambling during and risking towards the very very end. He began playing profession in 1963 and was caught in 1989 three years after retiring. It seems to me he had very little to risk and very much to gain. The contrasts are enormous. And almost 30 years later he's still begging everyone in sight to be let into the Hall of Fame. He lost a lot more than you think. The money doesn't matter to him, never did. But his legacy as an all-time great baseball player? That legitimacy that being in the hall of fame is forever out of reach now. On February 08 2016 15:14 Shortizz wrote: U kidding me? That guy got rich because he is a fraud right from the start. Your analogy is not even close. You might want to look him up. He was actually a millionaire from being a match-maker on the stock market. His Ponzi scheme was via his phony investment company that he started after I'm assuming he got sick of haggling all day on the exchange floor. | ||
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Singapore1806 Posts
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Czech Republic5118 Posts
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