Possible Boycott of Afreeca TV GSL? - Page 5

On October 22 2015 03:57 Popkiller wrote:
How big is Afreeca and how important are the GSL and SC2 to it?

On October 22 2015 04:17 Clonester wrote:


Why couldnt they? The major sells are done after this holidays. After that, Blizzard would have to plan to bring out more SC II buyable content to make money off it. So they could let the scene in korea go belly up if they want. That would be a buisness decision.

On October 22 2015 02:43 Roggay wrote:
So basically blackmailing.

To me, being a streamer is a very different fact than being a progamer. They match-fixed as progamers, they have to be punished as progamers and not as streamers. Once they serve their legitimate punishement, whatever that is, they should be free to be streamers. Period.

I understand that Afreeca is in a weird position, being the owner of GSL (as I understand, I am pretty out of touch with sc2), but here we are talking about Afreeca as the streaming platform, not the GSL owner.
I am commenting here even tho I don't follow sc2 because people had they exact same reactions towards match-fixers in the csgo community.

I really respect Afreeca (well I respect that move, I don't really know anything about Afreeca) for not giving up to the pressure and the bullshits.

On October 22 2015 04:44 TRaFFiC wrote:

Blackmail is such a dirty word. It's just a show of power.

I don't see why you make such a distinction between programmer/streamer. Many programmers start their careers as streamers, supplement their income through streaming, and end their careers with streaming. Not to throw out another horrible analogy, but this seems like allowing a doctor to operate a private practice after he's banned from the hospital for malpractice. Well, he's banned from his job. He served his punishment. Why not let him practice on his own? After all, his clients can make their own decision. Nopeeeeee. The same way people shouldn't be allowed to make this decision. God forbid anyone donates to the match fixers (and they will).

On October 22 2015 02:13 Clonester wrote:



Kespa lost 2013 Woongjin and Soul, while esF lost FXO. Matchfixing was 3 years before that. You cant search every decline in SC II at the fixers of BW.
As Kespa says they want to protect the players, i shurely say they are responsible for the players situation: They let prime play a whole year in ProLeague just to get the 8th slot fill while seeing how the team has zero cash flow, zero payments, treats the players shitty and headcoach full of madness. Thats something I say kespa is to blame. The current scene of SC II is shit and yes, I blame kespa for it. Shure without the matchfixers 2010 it could look better, way better. But it could also look better with the fixing in 2010 when kespa managed the scene better. You cant be happy how the scene looks like me, but I will not blame people in desperate fights for income but I blame the system. Yes, I know fixing is a crime and they should never play in leagues and tournaments, that they should be punished. But they did not commit warcrimes, they just desperatly fighted to get something out of the gigantic timewaste that SC II was in their life. When there is too less money for so many players, kespa should just stop giving Pro-Player-Licenses to every dude out there who can play the game but protect them from themselfes. And thus means only licenses for players with a salary from a team or sponsor. All other can play amateur leagues, concetrate on education and might get drafted by a team. The scene is just to big to work at the moment.
And yes, there is a reason why law systems watch every case individual: Savior was an a whole other lvl then most other fixer and also the one and only streaming fixer. I could understand if you want him to get banned of every streaming what so ever, but a small wheel like the actually streaming matchfixer? I will never understand it.

And YoDa does not stream at all. Nor does he won soooo much, 100k $ over 4 years is lower then the average korean income and that for sacrificing youth and education which will you bring much more money in the later stages of life then 100k $. And lets be real, do you know how much Yoda earned 2015? Code S Ro16, + Code S Ro32 + Code A Ro48. Makes togeather 2482$. What a lovely income for 10 months of time wasting. And you think it is wonder when people will fix matches for 5k $ per Bo1 or even more? Dragged by their trusted head coach?