EPT... an official who has requested anonymity said "though I cannot confirm anything whether it`ll be officially postulated or not, there`re certain team and players who express their opinion about boycotting next GSL. AfreecaTV`s reputation is diminishing, cause progamers have already wounded by match-fixing once."
Possible Boycott of Afreeca TV GSL?
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
... an official who has requested anonymity said "though I cannot confirm anything whether it`ll be officially postulated or not, there`re certain team and players who express their opinion about boycotting next GSL. AfreecaTV`s reputation is diminishing, cause progamers have already wounded by match-fixing once." | ||
r_gg
141 Posts
Whether people like it or not, Kespa's request is completely in line with the sentiment of the people directly involved in the Korean scene. | ||
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sertas
Sweden890 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
 I hope Afreeca stays strong and won't accept this blackmailing. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6819 Posts
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RoomOfMush
1296 Posts
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Brutaxilos
United States2633 Posts
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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
On October 21 2015 17:16 Brutaxilos wrote: This is a lot more than "Kespa's stuff". The first matchfixing scandal was a huge blow to BW. SC2 is these teams' and players' livelihood, they have every right to express their opinion as to how Afreeca should respond.I think this is a little overboard. Technically Afreeca isn't really doing anything illegal here... It's not really their responsibility to oversee Kespa's stuff. | ||
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deacon.frost
Czech Republic12129 Posts
On October 21 2015 17:23 bduddy wrote: This is a lot more than "Kespa's stuff". The first matchfixing scandal was a huge blow to BW. SC2 is these teams' and players' livelihood, they have every right to express their opinion as to how Afreeca should respond. And Afreeca has every tight to ignore them. This boycotting stuff is a blackmailing to me. And yes, they can do it, it's their responsibility. It's hurting SC2 even more, so why not  | ||
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Orlok
Korea (South)227 Posts
Probably that sentence alone will get me a warning, but hey, this message is worth it. Please don't forget that while you foreign boys might be happy with Afreeca and free 1080p that Gom denied you, but in Korea, the PLACE WHERE THE LEAGUE IS ACTUALLY PLAYED, Afreeca is a streaming platform that is rife with problems, and doesn't have the cleanest of reputations or great public image. For me, if Afreeca wasn't going to run the GSL, I could at least understand what they have stated. Sure, it leaves a bad taste in ones mouth, but it was pragmatically understandable to say the least. However, Afreeca is no longer just a streaming site, its a host to the longest and greatest SC2 league in existance. Its taking a more active role in esports, and as such should uphold the new responsibilities that come with becoming an official esports related group. To condone people, whether in BW or SC2 who committed illegal betting sites and let them stream is giving off the message that Afreeca condones criminals who commit crimes. Sounds to grand? Hey, The brokers and players who were involved got arrested. Potential sponsors, who are the lifeblood of esports next to the players, will NOT consider to genuinely put a stake in esports if the runner of the biggest league there allows ex-criminals to continue to freely be able to stream and continue to relate themselves to the game. This is why people, myself included, dislike the fact that Afreeca so dauntingly continues to say they these people who ruined the SC scene are "free men" and should be left alone. I mean, if you see a criminal who completely ruined an industry continue to keep streaming the game and scene that HE DESTROYED, who actually would support that and say it;s within their right to do so? KeSPA does not have a good reputation when it comes to negotiation, so I can see why some dimwits who know nothing about the political aspects of esports think its just KeSPA being dicks to Afreeca. I think I'm rambling too much here. In summary, the image that these people give off after streaming the game they illegally bet on is not a positive one, and sponsors will decline to push money to create more tournaments and more infrastructure. As such, its not too much of a thing to ask these people in Afreeca to ban them from streaming. Let them play the game without an audience, its not like they deserve to stream them and enjoy the spotlight. Oh and deacon.frost from the Czech Republic? You're retarded if you think its blackmail still after what I explained to you. I bet you're one of the fools who screamed hooray after Gom said it would disband and your precious Afreeca, which you probably never even USE that often, gave you free 1080p. To all foreigners who say that Afreeca should't be blackmailed or some other nonsense, screw you and your idiocy. Don't babble about what you know nothing about. User was warned for this post | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On October 21 2015 17:16 Brutaxilos wrote: I think this is a little overboard. Technically Afreeca isn't really doing anything illegal here... It's not really their responsibility to oversee Kespa's stuff. Why is it overboard? Technically Kespa isn't doing anything illegal here... It's not really their responsibility if an afreeca tournament can't find attractive players. | ||
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
PRIME clan disbands - officially. | ||
BLinD-RawR
ALLEYCAT BLUES50692 Posts
this is getting absolutely ridiculous, people barely watch those who matchfixed and there are not that many of them to begin with, its not like afreeca is making any money off of them either, whichever way you look at it they are better off banning matchfixers. I guess in this case I'm glad that Afreeca aren't the ones running the VANT Starleague. | ||
digmouse
China6330 Posts
On October 21 2015 16:50 Thouhastmail wrote: ...and maybe I should refrain from posting new threads too often. sorry guys. It is completely ok, these are new information and are important, we respect and thank your efforts. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8828 Posts
i feel a lot of foreign people, members of tl included, have been too ungrateful with what theyve received. i spoke about this in the gun thread too about how people nowadays dont know how to appreciate what they have; instead they have the audacity to ask for more. meanwhile the people directly affected by all these scandals and the local community are pretty unanimous in that kespa has got everything right regarding how action should be taken against match fixers, and afreeca is just dragging their already shit reputation through the mud. seems like a lot of foreign fans (not all, but evidently a lot) just want to watch their favourite players' streams regardless of the crime they committed without thought for what their actions are doing to the industry. its like a child crying and asking for his toy back because his mum is threatening to take it away. | ||
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r_gg
141 Posts
On October 21 2015 17:45 Orlok wrote: I've lost respect for foreign fans about SC2. Probably that sentence alone will get me a warning, but hey, this message is worth it. Please don't forget that while you foreign boys might be happy with Afreeca and free 1080p that Gom denied you, but in Korea, the PLACE WHERE THE LEAGUE IS ACTUALLY PLAYED, Afreeca is a streaming platform that is rife with problems, and doesn't have the cleanest of reputations or great public image. For me, if Afreeca wasn't going to run the GSL, I could at least understand what they have stated. Sure, it leaves a bad taste in ones mouth, but it was pragmatically understandable to say the least. However, Afreeca is no longer just a streaming site, its a host to the longest and greatest SC2 league in existance. Its taking a more active role in esports, and as such should uphold the new responsibilities that come with becoming an official esports related group. To condone people, whether in BW or SC2 who committed illegal betting sites and let them stream is giving off the message that Afreeca condones criminals who commit crimes. Sounds to grand? Hey, The brokers and players who were involved got arrested. Potential sponsors, who are the lifeblood of esports next to the players, will NOT consider to genuinely put a stake in esports if the runner of the biggest league there allows ex-criminals to continue to freely be able to stream and continue to relate themselves to the game. This is why people, myself included, dislike the fact that Afreeca so dauntingly continues to say they these people who ruined the SC scene are "free men" and should be left alone. I mean, if you see a criminal who completely ruined an industry continue to keep streaming the game and scene that HE DESTROYED, who actually would support that and say it;s within their right to do so? KeSPA does not have a good reputation when it comes to negotiation, so I can see why some dimwits who know nothing about the political aspects of esports think its just KeSPA being dicks to Afreeca. I think I'm rambling too much here. In summary, the image that these people give off after streaming the game they illegally bet on is not a positive one, and sponsors will decline to push money to create more tournaments and more infrastructure. As such, its not too much of a thing to ask these people in Afreeca to ban them from streaming. Let them play the game without an audience, its not like they deserve to stream them and enjoy the spotlight. Oh and deacon.frost from the Czech Republic? You're retarded if you think its blackmail still after what I explained to you. I bet you're one of the fools who screamed hooray after Gom said it would disband and your precious Afreeca, which you probably never even USE that often, gave you free 1080p. To all foreigners who say that Afreeca should't be blackmailed or some other nonsense, screw you and your idiocy. Don't babble about what you know nothing about. Thank you saying pretty much everything I wanted to say. | ||
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Penev
28522 Posts
On October 21 2015 18:12 BLinD-RawR wrote: afreeca should just comply with KeSPA's demands if only to just protect their brand. this is getting absolutely ridiculous, people barely watch those who matchfixed and there are not that many of them to begin with, its not like afreeca is making any money off of them either, whichever way you look at it they are better off banning matchfixers. I guess in this case I'm glad that Afreeca aren't the ones running the VANT Starleague. I disagree. In general, I don't think it's a good thing when one organization can force another to act as they want them to. In this case, on top of that, you can't punish people, convicted in the past, for a more recent crime committed by others. People are always so willing to add to the punishment criminals are already getting. Edit: I'd also like to add the following: Banning these people won't do anything against matchfixing. NOTHING. Please people, be more critical about false safety measures like these. | ||
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Phredxor
New Zealand15076 Posts
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TJ31
630 Posts
On October 21 2015 18:21 evilfatsh1t wrote: seems like a lot of foreign fans (not all, but evidently a lot) just want to watch their favourite players' streams regardless of the crime they committed without thought for what their actions are doing to the industry. its like a child crying and asking for his toy back because his mum is threatening to take it away. And I believe it's normal. There's not that many "hardcore" esports enthusiasts around. Most just consider it as a good way to waste free time while they find it fun enough, then they move on to something else. And while I personally don't care enough simply because I almost don't follow SC anymore, I'm happy someone finally gave Kespa middle finger. They are relic of the past and their ways always were terrible in my opinion and this time it shows up again. Not saying that the afreeca is much better, but at least they don't try to dictate their rules to other companies, as far as I know at least. | ||
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