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On October 19 2015 23:53 Destructicon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 23:49 Boucot wrote:On October 19 2015 23:38 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2015 23:08 Boucot wrote:On October 19 2015 18:51 SystemXN wrote:Leifeng (the sponsor of Chinese tournament Leifeng Cup who has contact with Korean scene) revealed some facts about Prime on Chinese forum ( original post in Chinese) Gerrard never paid salaries to his players, he even prohibited players to use air-conditioner in team house during this summer (maybe to save money). Gerrard didn't care about Prime's SC2 team but paid his full attention on his LoL team. More ironically, even his LoL team cannot have five enough good computers to practice LoL, so Gerrard took iG (invictus Gaming, the Chinese pro team)'s two computers for practicing and never returned them. What's more, Gerrard took ByuN's top-class personal computer (which values about $1,200) to team house, not only never returned it, but sold it for money. It is sad to see both Gerrard and Prime as SC2 veteran come to such an shameful end. Of all the things I've read about this scandal, this is the worst. That would explain why ByuN was basically no show for nearly 2 years. Yeah but he is a talented player, I wonder why he didn't join another team. Maybe the experience made him lose trust in people overall and he decided to just avoid teams altogether.
I would second this. ByuN's trust must have gotten burned badly. Forget joining a team, he wasn't even playing the game.
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On October 19 2015 23:56 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 23:53 Destructicon wrote:On October 19 2015 23:49 Boucot wrote:On October 19 2015 23:38 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2015 23:08 Boucot wrote:On October 19 2015 18:51 SystemXN wrote:Leifeng (the sponsor of Chinese tournament Leifeng Cup who has contact with Korean scene) revealed some facts about Prime on Chinese forum ( original post in Chinese) Gerrard never paid salaries to his players, he even prohibited players to use air-conditioner in team house during this summer (maybe to save money). Gerrard didn't care about Prime's SC2 team but paid his full attention on his LoL team. More ironically, even his LoL team cannot have five enough good computers to practice LoL, so Gerrard took iG (invictus Gaming, the Chinese pro team)'s two computers for practicing and never returned them. What's more, Gerrard took ByuN's top-class personal computer (which values about $1,200) to team house, not only never returned it, but sold it for money. It is sad to see both Gerrard and Prime as SC2 veteran come to such an shameful end. Of all the things I've read about this scandal, this is the worst. That would explain why ByuN was basically no show for nearly 2 years. Yeah but he is a talented player, I wonder why he didn't join another team. Maybe the experience made him lose trust in people overall and he decided to just avoid teams altogether. I would second this. ByuN's trust must have gotten burned badly. Forget joining a team, he wasn't even playing the game.
Ding ding, people thinking this are right on the money, that is what happened.
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On October 19 2015 23:56 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 23:53 Destructicon wrote:On October 19 2015 23:49 Boucot wrote:On October 19 2015 23:38 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2015 23:08 Boucot wrote:On October 19 2015 18:51 SystemXN wrote:Leifeng (the sponsor of Chinese tournament Leifeng Cup who has contact with Korean scene) revealed some facts about Prime on Chinese forum ( original post in Chinese) Gerrard never paid salaries to his players, he even prohibited players to use air-conditioner in team house during this summer (maybe to save money). Gerrard didn't care about Prime's SC2 team but paid his full attention on his LoL team. More ironically, even his LoL team cannot have five enough good computers to practice LoL, so Gerrard took iG (invictus Gaming, the Chinese pro team)'s two computers for practicing and never returned them. What's more, Gerrard took ByuN's top-class personal computer (which values about $1,200) to team house, not only never returned it, but sold it for money. It is sad to see both Gerrard and Prime as SC2 veteran come to such an shameful end. Of all the things I've read about this scandal, this is the worst. That would explain why ByuN was basically no show for nearly 2 years. Yeah but he is a talented player, I wonder why he didn't join another team. Maybe the experience made him lose trust in people overall and he decided to just avoid teams altogether. I would second this. ByuN's trust must have gotten burned badly. Forget joining a team, he wasn't even playing the game.
Byun is now on another team so I'm not sure that's the reason. If this news didn't come out then the community would've probably said that he was abandoning a sinking ship and effectively was killing prime.
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Was TaeJa vs The Champagne Bottles at Dreamhack's also fixed???
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On October 20 2015 00:00 Ve5pa wrote:
Was TaeJa vs The Champagne Bottles at Dreamhack's also fixed???
It's why Robert Ohlen got sacked.
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On October 20 2015 00:00 Ve5pa wrote:
Was TaeJa vs The Champagne Bottles at Dreamhack's also fixed???
We all already know it was, why would you ask that?
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Czech Republic12134 Posts
On October 19 2015 23:56 royalroadweed wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 23:53 Destructicon wrote:On October 19 2015 23:49 Boucot wrote:On October 19 2015 23:38 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2015 23:08 Boucot wrote:On October 19 2015 18:51 SystemXN wrote:Leifeng (the sponsor of Chinese tournament Leifeng Cup who has contact with Korean scene) revealed some facts about Prime on Chinese forum ( original post in Chinese) Gerrard never paid salaries to his players, he even prohibited players to use air-conditioner in team house during this summer (maybe to save money). Gerrard didn't care about Prime's SC2 team but paid his full attention on his LoL team. More ironically, even his LoL team cannot have five enough good computers to practice LoL, so Gerrard took iG (invictus Gaming, the Chinese pro team)'s two computers for practicing and never returned them. What's more, Gerrard took ByuN's top-class personal computer (which values about $1,200) to team house, not only never returned it, but sold it for money. It is sad to see both Gerrard and Prime as SC2 veteran come to such an shameful end. Of all the things I've read about this scandal, this is the worst. That would explain why ByuN was basically no show for nearly 2 years. Yeah but he is a talented player, I wonder why he didn't join another team. Maybe the experience made him lose trust in people overall and he decided to just avoid teams altogether. I would second this. ByuN's trust must have gotten burned badly. Forget joining a team, he wasn't even playing the game.
Except for all those weekly leagues he was winning  I cannot remember who said that, but someone pointed out that HyuN won in their league so many times they are searching for someone who is able to defeat HyuN :-)
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
On October 20 2015 00:03 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 23:56 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2015 23:53 Destructicon wrote:On October 19 2015 23:49 Boucot wrote:On October 19 2015 23:38 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2015 23:08 Boucot wrote:On October 19 2015 18:51 SystemXN wrote:Leifeng (the sponsor of Chinese tournament Leifeng Cup who has contact with Korean scene) revealed some facts about Prime on Chinese forum ( original post in Chinese) Gerrard never paid salaries to his players, he even prohibited players to use air-conditioner in team house during this summer (maybe to save money). Gerrard didn't care about Prime's SC2 team but paid his full attention on his LoL team. More ironically, even his LoL team cannot have five enough good computers to practice LoL, so Gerrard took iG (invictus Gaming, the Chinese pro team)'s two computers for practicing and never returned them. What's more, Gerrard took ByuN's top-class personal computer (which values about $1,200) to team house, not only never returned it, but sold it for money. It is sad to see both Gerrard and Prime as SC2 veteran come to such an shameful end. Of all the things I've read about this scandal, this is the worst. That would explain why ByuN was basically no show for nearly 2 years. Yeah but he is a talented player, I wonder why he didn't join another team. Maybe the experience made him lose trust in people overall and he decided to just avoid teams altogether. I would second this. ByuN's trust must have gotten burned badly. Forget joining a team, he wasn't even playing the game. Except for all those weekly leagues he was winning I cannot remember who said that, but someone pointed out that HyuN won in their league so many times they are searching for someone who is able to defeat HyuN :-)
There was a very long period of time when ByuN didn't play a single televised game. We basically confirmed his retirement based on hearsay when other players in the Korean scene assumed he had retired.
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On October 20 2015 00:03 deacon.frost wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 23:56 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2015 23:53 Destructicon wrote:On October 19 2015 23:49 Boucot wrote:On October 19 2015 23:38 royalroadweed wrote:On October 19 2015 23:08 Boucot wrote:On October 19 2015 18:51 SystemXN wrote:Leifeng (the sponsor of Chinese tournament Leifeng Cup who has contact with Korean scene) revealed some facts about Prime on Chinese forum ( original post in Chinese) Gerrard never paid salaries to his players, he even prohibited players to use air-conditioner in team house during this summer (maybe to save money). Gerrard didn't care about Prime's SC2 team but paid his full attention on his LoL team. More ironically, even his LoL team cannot have five enough good computers to practice LoL, so Gerrard took iG (invictus Gaming, the Chinese pro team)'s two computers for practicing and never returned them. What's more, Gerrard took ByuN's top-class personal computer (which values about $1,200) to team house, not only never returned it, but sold it for money. It is sad to see both Gerrard and Prime as SC2 veteran come to such an shameful end. Of all the things I've read about this scandal, this is the worst. That would explain why ByuN was basically no show for nearly 2 years. Yeah but he is a talented player, I wonder why he didn't join another team. Maybe the experience made him lose trust in people overall and he decided to just avoid teams altogether. I would second this. ByuN's trust must have gotten burned badly. Forget joining a team, he wasn't even playing the game. Except for all those weekly leagues he was winning I cannot remember who said that, but someone pointed out that HyuN won in their league so many times they are searching for someone who is able to defeat HyuN :-)
He started playing in those online cup around july of this year. Before that he basically no show since july 2013 in anything. He did have 2 years to get over it. Look up the imgur link in my profile and you'll see just how missing byun was.
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I am sure match fixing occurs elsewhere too but why are all the biggest match fixing scandals across all eSports in Korea?
BW - Savior scandal
WC3 - modified map scandal
SC2 - this scandal
LoL - AHQ.Korea scandal
Is it just that Korea has groups that actively look for and investigate the issues, or is it that Korean eSports are especially prone to match fixing?
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On October 19 2015 23:31 Zealously wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2015 23:11 NEEDZMOAR wrote:On October 19 2015 23:04 opisska wrote:On October 19 2015 22:53 mikedebo wrote:On October 19 2015 22:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:On October 19 2015 22:39 Ravensong170 wrote:
I lived through the savior shit and now this in SC2..... god damnit. While over dota 2, people still view matchfixing as NBD LMFAO wHo cAREAS HAHA Xd give them second chances blah blah blah.
Glad Kespa is dropping the hammer, but beyond depressing that it is happening at all....
Kespa should force teams to actually pay their players, THAT would do far more than banning people after they already commited the crime. This is really it. A rule that requires teams to publish their financials (or submit to audits) to the league and a base minimum salary or equivalent would probably go a long way to disbanding these teams long before things can get this bad. Kespa seems to have control of almost all the relevant sc2 events now anyways, they might as well use that for some good. Yeah, making more rules and demanding money from teams, that will surely help the scene flourish when the biggest problem is that there is not enough money. You guys think KeSPA is going to grow the on trees irrigated by the tears of the punished matchfixers? You could probably get rid of all the matchfixing though, because there won't be any matches to fix that way. Honestly, if you want to have "clean" competition, the thing you should be wanting is completely opposite: less money involved = less incentives for mafias to get involved. The cleanest competitions are those that are small and amateur. In any case, I am done "hating" anyone involved. When I first heard about matchfixing, I thought it's henious, because that was the "public opinion" and I never thought of the matter before. Now after giving it proper consideration, I don't really care. I still like to watch the games and have fun, what happens beyond doesn't have to bother me. The lifetime bans are a childish "omg you are so bad" reaction and I do not support them and I am not going to act like anyone involved in matchfixing was a great criminal. then maybe if there isnt enough money in the scene to pay progamers a proper salary, the scene needs to die out. I hate to break it to you, but this would leave League of Legends as the only "scene".
If it stands between progamers living like slaves and a scene made by amateurs for amateurs maybe its better to have a minimal scene? I dont know. In my mind this happen largely because of player conditions. Perhaps im wrong? Perhaps the other kespa teams are treating their players well with salaries and whatnot and Prime was just a horrible exception?
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 Gotta feel bad for everyone involved in the Prime organization. This sucks. Shame on those involved.
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I love how KeSPA comes right out and says "we'll ban anyone who gets named for life regardless of whether they are convicted". Yoda et al may well be guilty as hell, but clearly the ideal of innocent until proven guilty is not Alive and well in Korea. In America the media goes after those who are accused, but usually the organizations involved do not instantly ban for life.
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On October 20 2015 00:29 Doodsmack wrote:
I love how KeSPA comes right out and says "we'll ban anyone who gets named for life regardless of whether they are convicted". Yoda et al may well be guilty as hell, but clearly the ideal of innocent until proven guilty is not Alive and well in Korea. In America the media goes after those who are accused, but usually the organizations involved do not instantly ban for life.
It fits pretty well in their normal "we are so serious, we are so important" theme. Nothing else to expect, really.
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On October 20 2015 00:29 Doodsmack wrote:
I love how KeSPA comes right out and says "we'll ban anyone who gets named for life regardless of whether they are convicted". Yoda et al may well be guilty as hell, but clearly the ideal of innocent until proven guilty is not Alive and well in Korea. In America the media goes after those who are accused, but usually the organizations involved do not instantly ban for life.
Possible bad translation...
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Yeah fuck those fuckers. At least SaviOr was good. And he is a fucking twat for what he did.
But those guys... AFTER what happened to BW ? Yeah fuck 'em
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I'm trying to find humor in this.
So far all I've come up with is "LOL Flash was 0-6 in official matches in Round 1 of Proleague" :/
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You DUN FUCKED IT UP now Gerrard
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oh fuck not this again
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