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YoDa, B4, Gerrard arrested for match-fixing - Page 57

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Based on the official Police investigation, only the above players have been implicated in matchfixing. There is no reason to further accuse other players and teams until we get more information. Incessant blind accusations will not be tolerated. Please read the thread and the updates before posting.

As of page 54 we will be moderating against match fixing accusations for players who were not caught in this incident, including those using voided Pinnacle bets as evidence.
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
October 19 2015 13:15 GMT
#1121
While I find it admirable trying to do the best for your team, I'm disgusted at the match fixing due to his own gambling problems and also for dragging his own players through the mud. Still very sad state of affair that he even felt forced into this in the first place. Goodbye PRIME, pity it had to end like this.

I guess now I'll remember this as dark October...
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 19 2015 13:15 GMT
#1122
MBC also became a purely music-based entity around that time, not sure if it had to do with KPop's popularity, or BW's MFS.
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RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3631 Posts
October 19 2015 13:16 GMT
#1123
Just wow.
Great work of the KR justice system!
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 19 2015 13:18 GMT
#1124
On October 19 2015 22:08 StarGalaxy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 21:52 The_Red_Viper wrote:
I wonder when people will talk about the reasons of this. Yes people are greedy, but players on korean teams are exploited as well. As long as this doesn't change...


while this is certainly true it isn't really the case here. Yoda earned more than 100k $ through sc2 on prize money alone.

Well sure, but what about B4? As i said, ofc there are greedy people too, but the problem comes from how the korean scene operates. I don't see it changing though...
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Eliezar
Profile Joined May 2004
United States481 Posts
October 19 2015 13:20 GMT
#1125
On October 19 2015 19:40 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 19:24 Hider wrote:
On October 19 2015 19:20 sAsImre wrote:
On October 19 2015 19:19 Hider wrote:
On October 19 2015 18:53 Elentos wrote:
On October 19 2015 18:44 Hider wrote:
On October 19 2015 18:31 opisska wrote:
So the whole Pinnacle nonsense is useless in discovering the real problem? hahahaha


They just don't have evidence for those types (yet).

On October 19 2015 18:40 rednusa wrote:
I watched a few of YoDa's VODs posted in the OP. None of them looks particularly suspicious.


Yes this was the same dumb argument people used to defend against the original accusations (until MKP incident).

Don't you understand how insanely easy it is to lose a game of Starcraft? If you are not on your A-game you are not gonna win a game in PL. In order to lose you just need to have slightly suboptimal micro, slightly suptimal builds, slightly suptimal macro and timings.

The MKP incidence was the extreme rare occurance where you can actually clearly see how MKP lost it intentional, but that was due to an extreme "unluck" of MKP unintentionally spotting the creep on the minimap.

The difference is that MKP was cleared from the accusation for what looks like an obvious throw by KeSPA because nothing was found behind it, while YoDa made more subtle mistakes but wasn't cleared because everything behind it was uncovered.


He wasn't cleared from anything. They just didn't find the evidence, which is exactly what I wrote. You should reread Kespa's actual statement.


Convicted until clear. What a noble sense of justice from our lovely TL warrior.


The thing about "innocent until proven guilty" that people like you misunderstand is that it only matters when it comes to law enforcement. You don't put people into jail until they have been convinced in court. But we can still talk about OJ Simpson being guilty on the other hand because that's obviously true.

What one should do is to estimate the probaiblity of (A) MKP not seeing the creep on the minimap despite starting at the minimap and (B) Pinnacleodds voiding a bet that wasn't matchfixed.

Then you should multiply the them together.

I estimate the odds of A being 1 to a million. The odds of B is 1%.

Hence the probabiliy of MKP not matchfixing is 1:100,000,000.

So I continue to talk as if MKP did matchfix untill you can provide enough reasoning to explain why my odds are off.

I estimate the odds of MKP being drunk or on drugs or stressed out or something, to be far greater than 1 to a million. This event will be called C. Then the probability of A, knowing C, is like 1 to 2. 1/2*P(C) + P(not(C))*P(A|not(C)) makes it not so unlikely that MKP wasn't match-fixing. Here's why your odds are offs.
For B odds, if you can't find stats that would help estimating the amount of false positives, your odds are an "eye test" so hardly conclusive.


MKP had a GSL match around season 5-6 where he right clicked his army to move to the back door pocket expansion along with his dropship...he didn't notice the army moved in the front door on move command and got killed...

Just saying...however that could be attributed to focusing on micro on his drop, but it isn't that unlike this situation. His army walked a long way and he didn't realize it until they started getting attacked.

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ejozl
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark3556 Posts
October 19 2015 13:30 GMT
#1126
Props to all the progamers going through rough times with no results, was offered matchfixing money and turned it down hard.
SC2 Archon needs "Terrible, terrible damage" as one of it's quotes.
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2634 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 13:33:39
October 19 2015 13:33 GMT
#1127
On October 19 2015 21:48 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 21:47 TR wrote:

Hero?

https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/656087743164891136
Wax is a hero for doing all this work is what he means, I think. Maybe. Hopefully?

Can someone tell me what this tweet originally said? It' got deleted. D:
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Darkdwarf
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Sweden960 Posts
October 19 2015 13:38 GMT
#1128
I'm curious about the recent ex-STX coach's plans for PRIME. He sounded like he planned to reboot the team for 2016 Proleague when he started sponsoring the team. I hope that's not dead and gone.
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Ravensong170
Profile Joined June 2012
United States858 Posts
October 19 2015 13:39 GMT
#1129
I lived through the savior shit and now this in SC2..... god damnit. While over dota 2, people still view matchfixing as NBD LMFAO wHo cAREAS HAHA Xd give them second chances blah blah blah.

Glad Kespa is dropping the hammer, but beyond depressing that it is happening at all....
"what a terrible ass game, we should all kill ourselves." -EE-Sama
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55594 Posts
October 19 2015 13:39 GMT
#1130
On October 19 2015 22:33 Brutaxilos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 21:48 Elentos wrote:
On October 19 2015 21:47 TR wrote:
https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/656087743164891136
Hero?

https://twitter.com/kenzi131/status/656087743164891136
Wax is a hero for doing all this work is what he means, I think. Maybe. Hopefully?

Can someone tell me what this tweet originally said? It' got deleted. D:

It said "Hero. @SaintSnorlax" with a link to one of the threads about the matchfixing thing.
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The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 13:41:04
October 19 2015 13:40 GMT
#1131
On October 19 2015 22:39 Ravensong170 wrote:
I lived through the savior shit and now this in SC2..... god damnit. While over dota 2, people still view matchfixing as NBD LMFAO wHo cAREAS HAHA Xd give them second chances blah blah blah.

Glad Kespa is dropping the hammer, but beyond depressing that it is happening at all....

Kespa should force teams to actually pay their players, THAT would do far more than banning people after they already commited the crime.
IU | Sohyang || There is no God and we are his prophets | For if ‘Thou mayest’—it is also true that ‘Thou mayest not.” | Ignorance is the parent of fear |
Brutaxilos
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States2634 Posts
October 19 2015 13:45 GMT
#1132
On October 19 2015 22:38 Darkdwarf wrote:
I'm curious about the recent ex-STX coach's plans for PRIME. He sounded like he planned to reboot the team for 2016 Proleague when he started sponsoring the team. I hope that's not dead and gone.

Maybe he can head the new rumored NK Allstars team. I'm sure they're going to need a strong coach if they want to stand a chance.
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royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
October 19 2015 13:47 GMT
#1133
Poor Lorning...
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NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
October 19 2015 13:51 GMT
#1134
On October 19 2015 22:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 22:39 Ravensong170 wrote:
I lived through the savior shit and now this in SC2..... god damnit. While over dota 2, people still view matchfixing as NBD LMFAO wHo cAREAS HAHA Xd give them second chances blah blah blah.

Glad Kespa is dropping the hammer, but beyond depressing that it is happening at all....

Kespa should force teams to actually pay their players, THAT would do far more than banning people after they already commited the crime.


QFT.

As long as nothing is changed about the Kespa players living situation its only a matter of time before matchfixing happens again.
mikedebo
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada4341 Posts
October 19 2015 13:53 GMT
#1135
On October 19 2015 22:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 22:39 Ravensong170 wrote:
I lived through the savior shit and now this in SC2..... god damnit. While over dota 2, people still view matchfixing as NBD LMFAO wHo cAREAS HAHA Xd give them second chances blah blah blah.

Glad Kespa is dropping the hammer, but beyond depressing that it is happening at all....

Kespa should force teams to actually pay their players, THAT would do far more than banning people after they already commited the crime.


This is really it. A rule that requires teams to publish their financials (or submit to audits) to the league and a base minimum salary or equivalent would probably go a long way to disbanding these teams long before things can get this bad. Kespa seems to have control of almost all the relevant sc2 events now anyways, they might as well use that for some good.
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jakethesnake
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada4948 Posts
October 19 2015 13:59 GMT
#1136
Shit........
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geokilla
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada8255 Posts
October 19 2015 13:59 GMT
#1137
B4 done. Who is next?
pure.Wasted
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada4701 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 14:00:37
October 19 2015 14:00 GMT
#1138
But Yoda wasn't a no-salaried B-teamer. Unless word gets out that Gerrard confiscated all of Yoda's winnings, Yoda is proof that some people will always just want more. If I'm KeSPA looking at this situation, and my options are to shell out lots of cash and not solve the problem, or not shell out lots of cash and not solve the problem, I'm gonna go with the one that doesn't cost me money.
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supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3048 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 14:01:55
October 19 2015 14:00 GMT
#1139
On October 19 2015 22:15 IntoTheheart wrote:
MBC also became a purely music-based entity around that time, not sure if it had to do with KPop's popularity, or BW's MFS.

All the broadcasts toward the end of MBCGame hinted at MFS being the start of the end for MBCGame

Also, for the clarity's sakes (or.... whatever you call this one), Enough (former progamer from KTF who retired in 2003) was one of the brokers.
ppp
Muffloe
Profile Joined December 2012
Sweden6061 Posts
October 19 2015 14:01 GMT
#1140
Really sad to hear this, although I can't really be mad at them. Sounds like they were in a rough spot in which alot of people probably woulda give in :/
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