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YoDa, B4, Gerrard arrested for match-fixing - Page 60

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Based on the official Police investigation, only the above players have been implicated in matchfixing. There is no reason to further accuse other players and teams until we get more information. Incessant blind accusations will not be tolerated. Please read the thread and the updates before posting.

As of page 54 we will be moderating against match fixing accusations for players who were not caught in this incident, including those using voided Pinnacle bets as evidence.
Solar424
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
United States4001 Posts
October 19 2015 15:44 GMT
#1181
Prime is gonna have to rebrand themselves or just disband, now that the name is tainted
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3424 Posts
October 19 2015 15:44 GMT
#1182
Oh boy, here we go again.
[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6626 Posts
October 19 2015 15:45 GMT
#1183
On October 20 2015 00:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
I'm trying to find humor in this.

So far all I've come up with is "LOL Flash was 0-6 in official matches in Round 1 of Proleague" :/

Flash just sitting in the bech win more money than most of proleague players.
TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10675 Posts
October 19 2015 15:46 GMT
#1184
Damn it man.
AKA: TelecoM[WHITE] Protoss fighting
Ctesias
Profile Joined December 2012
4595 Posts
October 19 2015 15:47 GMT
#1185
I hope all those involved are found and punished for their shameful behaviour. Almost as importantly, I hope this doesn't ruin the apparent rise of SC2 in Korea.
Flash | Mvp
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 15:49:15
October 19 2015 15:47 GMT
#1186
On October 20 2015 00:17 Azarkon wrote:
I am sure match fixing occurs elsewhere too but why are all the biggest match fixing scandals across all eSports in Korea?

BW - Savior scandal
WC3 - modified map scandal
SC2 - this scandal
LoL - AHQ.Korea scandal

Is it just that Korea has groups that actively look for and investigate the issues, or is it that Korean eSports are especially prone to match fixing?


Maybe the living conditions for korean esport pros are particularly bad? Perhaps its because of betting being illegal to begin with and therefore organized by criminal organisations who are more keen to fix matches? only speculations of course.
Starecat
Profile Joined August 2014
938 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 15:57:07
October 19 2015 15:54 GMT
#1187
On October 19 2015 23:08 Boucot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 18:51 SystemXN wrote:
Leifeng (the sponsor of Chinese tournament Leifeng Cup who has contact with Korean scene) revealed some facts about Prime on Chinese forum (original post in Chinese)

Gerrard never paid salaries to his players, he even prohibited players to use air-conditioner in team house during this summer (maybe to save money). Gerrard didn't care about Prime's SC2 team but paid his full attention on his LoL team.

More ironically, even his LoL team cannot have five enough good computers to practice LoL, so Gerrard took iG (invictus Gaming, the Chinese pro team)'s two computers for practicing and never returned them.

What's more, Gerrard took ByuN's top-class personal computer (which values about $1,200) to team house, not only never returned it, but sold it for money.

It is sad to see both Gerrard and Prime as SC2 veteran come to such an shameful end.


Of all the things I've read about this scandal, this is the worst.

Yes this confirms that Gerrard is a complete son of bitch.

@Topic:

So in the end Marine King was just a bad player going ultimate foreigner :/ ?

Anyway must be bad to be on Flash shoes right now... The only game he won on R1 was fixed.
:3
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
October 19 2015 16:12 GMT
#1188
On October 20 2015 00:44 Solar424 wrote:
Prime is gonna have to rebrand themselves or just disband, now that the name is tainted

Prime will probably be remember most for being a joke in proleague and match fixing. That's kind of a shame tbh. Despite all of this Prime did house some of the best players to ever play sc2 like MKP, Maru and Polt.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 19 2015 16:12 GMT
#1189
On October 20 2015 00:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 00:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
I'm trying to find humor in this.

So far all I've come up with is "LOL Flash was 0-6 in official matches in Round 1 of Proleague" :/

Flash just sitting in the bech win more money than most of proleague players.


LOL, was that his only win in round 1?
Celepharn
Profile Joined July 2015
Mexico60 Posts
October 19 2015 16:21 GMT
#1190
At least there are no "big" names here, perhaps only YoDa which makes me really sad since he was performing really well in round1 and showed his potential.

Being a progamer is hard, not to mention if you are not being payed what you were supposed to. YoDa was even blackmailed so I have some sympathy for him, although B4 only lost 1 game banning him for life seems (to me) a bit over the edge.

Lets forget this and move on.
I love marine, so cheap, I like.
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-10-19 16:25:21
October 19 2015 16:23 GMT
#1191
On October 20 2015 00:54 Starecat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 19 2015 23:08 Boucot wrote:
On October 19 2015 18:51 SystemXN wrote:
Leifeng (the sponsor of Chinese tournament Leifeng Cup who has contact with Korean scene) revealed some facts about Prime on Chinese forum (original post in Chinese)

Gerrard never paid salaries to his players, he even prohibited players to use air-conditioner in team house during this summer (maybe to save money). Gerrard didn't care about Prime's SC2 team but paid his full attention on his LoL team.

More ironically, even his LoL team cannot have five enough good computers to practice LoL, so Gerrard took iG (invictus Gaming, the Chinese pro team)'s two computers for practicing and never returned them.

What's more, Gerrard took ByuN's top-class personal computer (which values about $1,200) to team house, not only never returned it, but sold it for money.

It is sad to see both Gerrard and Prime as SC2 veteran come to such an shameful end.


Of all the things I've read about this scandal, this is the worst.

Yes this confirms that Gerrard is a complete son of bitch.

@Topic:

So in the end Marine King was just a bad player going ultimate foreigner :/ ?

Anyway must be bad to be on Flash shoes right now... The only game he won on R1 was fixed.

Even if it had not been fixed it was only BboongBboong.

On October 20 2015 01:12 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 00:45 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On October 20 2015 00:42 showstealer1829 wrote:
I'm trying to find humor in this.

So far all I've come up with is "LOL Flash was 0-6 in official matches in Round 1 of Proleague" :/

Flash just sitting in the bech win more money than most of proleague players.


LOL, was that his only win in round 1?

Yep, lost to Rogue, Losira, Dark, BrAvO, herO and Bomber. None of those are shameful, but still. Also the only time he won a game his team lost to Prime.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
October 19 2015 16:25 GMT
#1192
On October 20 2015 01:21 Celepharn wrote:
At least there are no "big" names here, perhaps only YoDa which makes me really sad since he was performing really well in round1 and showed his potential.

Being a progamer is hard, not to mention if you are not being payed what you were supposed to. YoDa was even blackmailed so I have some sympathy for him, although B4 only lost 1 game banning him for life seems (to me) a bit over the edge.

Lets forget this and move on.


It was against Flash though, quite frankly B4's lucky to be banned and not left to be hung, drawn and quartered by the millions of fanboys who still think Flash is relevant
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Elentos
Profile Blog Joined February 2015
55553 Posts
October 19 2015 16:30 GMT
#1193
On October 20 2015 01:25 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 01:21 Celepharn wrote:
At least there are no "big" names here, perhaps only YoDa which makes me really sad since he was performing really well in round1 and showed his potential.

Being a progamer is hard, not to mention if you are not being payed what you were supposed to. YoDa was even blackmailed so I have some sympathy for him, although B4 only lost 1 game banning him for life seems (to me) a bit over the edge.

Lets forget this and move on.


It was against Flash though, quite frankly B4's lucky to be banned and not left to be hung, drawn and quartered by the millions of fanboys who still think Flash is relevant

With the amount of posts you make about Flash, it seems he's at least still very relevant to you.
Every 60 seconds in Africa, a minute passes.
showstealer1829
Profile Blog Joined May 2014
Australia3123 Posts
October 19 2015 16:34 GMT
#1194
On October 20 2015 01:30 Elentos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 01:25 showstealer1829 wrote:
On October 20 2015 01:21 Celepharn wrote:
At least there are no "big" names here, perhaps only YoDa which makes me really sad since he was performing really well in round1 and showed his potential.

Being a progamer is hard, not to mention if you are not being payed what you were supposed to. YoDa was even blackmailed so I have some sympathy for him, although B4 only lost 1 game banning him for life seems (to me) a bit over the edge.

Lets forget this and move on.


It was against Flash though, quite frankly B4's lucky to be banned and not left to be hung, drawn and quartered by the millions of fanboys who still think Flash is relevant

With the amount of posts you make about Flash, it seems he's at least still very relevant to you.


In as much as I like pushing his fanboys buttons that's probably true
There is no understanding. There is only Choya. Choya is the way. Choya is Love. Choya is Life. Has is the Light in the Protoss Dark and Nightmare is his chosen Acolyte
Caihead
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada8550 Posts
October 19 2015 16:44 GMT
#1195
So your telling me KT lost 1-4 to prime in round 1 and still made the playoffs?
"If you're not living in the US or are a US Citizen, please do not tell us how to vote or how you want our country to be governed." - Serpest, American Hero
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32740 Posts
October 19 2015 16:44 GMT
#1196
It's sad but nothing surprising to hear match-fixing had deep roots in Korea still. I'd hope it doesn't affect the scene as much as the revelations tied to sAviOr, especially with LotV approaching. I even feel bad for Gerrard, he had to make a hard decision between keeping his team and his players afloat with dubious money and beg his family. Unfortunately, this is one of those things that can't be forgiven.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
October 19 2015 16:45 GMT
#1197
Prime sure has fallen a long way
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Musicus
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany23576 Posts
October 19 2015 16:47 GMT
#1198
I wonder if Blizzard will say something about this. Will they ban YoDa and B4 from WCS/Starcraft or even any Blizzard game?
Maru and Serral are probably top 5.
NEEDZMOAR
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Sweden1277 Posts
October 19 2015 16:51 GMT
#1199
On October 20 2015 01:34 showstealer1829 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 01:30 Elentos wrote:
On October 20 2015 01:25 showstealer1829 wrote:
On October 20 2015 01:21 Celepharn wrote:
At least there are no "big" names here, perhaps only YoDa which makes me really sad since he was performing really well in round1 and showed his potential.

Being a progamer is hard, not to mention if you are not being payed what you were supposed to. YoDa was even blackmailed so I have some sympathy for him, although B4 only lost 1 game banning him for life seems (to me) a bit over the edge.

Lets forget this and move on.


It was against Flash though, quite frankly B4's lucky to be banned and not left to be hung, drawn and quartered by the millions of fanboys who still think Flash is relevant

With the amount of posts you make about Flash, it seems he's at least still very relevant to you.


In as much as I like pushing his fanboys buttons that's probably true


oh my goodness youre so edgy.
Cazimirbzh
Profile Joined February 2014
334 Posts
October 19 2015 16:51 GMT
#1200
On October 20 2015 00:47 NEEDZMOAR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 20 2015 00:17 Azarkon wrote:
I am sure match fixing occurs elsewhere too but why are all the biggest match fixing scandals across all eSports in Korea?

BW - Savior scandal
WC3 - modified map scandal
SC2 - this scandal
LoL - AHQ.Korea scandal

Is it just that Korea has groups that actively look for and investigate the issues, or is it that Korean eSports are especially prone to match fixing?


Maybe the living conditions for korean esport pros are particularly bad? Perhaps its because of betting being illegal to begin with and therefore organized by criminal organisations who are more keen to fix matches? only speculations of course.


Korean esports scene is too crowded so it's really hard to make a living for pros players if they dont have a really good sponsor behind them. Why do you think some of them, shameless, go to Europe/NA ?
As soon as betting comes, match fixing occured that's why it's illegal not the other way around
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