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On October 20 2015 02:52 BisuDagger wrote:
Does anyone think this kind of thing is occurring in League of Legends Korean Scene too and just hasn't been caught yet?
I doubt it greatly. It seems much harder to do in a MOBA because the entire team would need to be involved. Say just 1 player gets convinced to throw, if their individual performance is bad for too long they would just get kicked/subbed out, not to mention that one player playing poorly can still not lose it for a team. You'd need multiple people involved to make it doable and not having the whole team involved is just asking for one of the not involved members to eventually figure it out
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On October 20 2015 02:50 TronJovolta wrote:
Can't help but feel bad for Yoda. I feel it's entirely possible he was coerced with violence to do it in the first place. He was the biggest name on the team, and the one that could make these gangsters the most money.
In the chain of responsability that led to this situation, the players are obviously the least to blame. If we had to make a hierarchy, I'd say it's something like :
1 - Brokers
2 - Gerrard / KeSPA
3 - Players
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On October 20 2015 02:56 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 02:52 BisuDagger wrote:
Does anyone think this kind of thing is occurring in League of Legends Korean Scene too and just hasn't been caught yet? I doubt it greatly. It seems much harder to do in a MOBA because the entire team would need to be involved. Say just 1 player gets convinced to throw, if their individual performance is bad for too long they would just get kicked/subbed out, not to mention that one player playing poorly can still not lose it for a team. You'd need multiple people involved to make it doable and not having the whole team involved is just asking for one of the not involved members to eventually figure it out
It's not uncommon in "real" sports that entire teams are involved. Heck in Sweden we had a game where both football teams were birded, and the coaches and the judge...
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On October 20 2015 02:56 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 02:52 BisuDagger wrote:
Does anyone think this kind of thing is occurring in League of Legends Korean Scene too and just hasn't been caught yet? I doubt it greatly. It seems much harder to do in a MOBA because the entire team would need to be involved. Say just 1 player gets convinced to throw, if their individual performance is bad for too long they would just get kicked/subbed out, not to mention that one player playing poorly can still not lose it for a team. You'd need multiple people involved to make it doable and not having the whole team involved is just asking for one of the not involved members to eventually figure it out
That's what I thought. It sucks that a game like SC is more susceptible because of it being 1v1.
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On October 20 2015 02:58 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 02:50 TronJovolta wrote:
Can't help but feel bad for Yoda. I feel it's entirely possible he was coerced with violence to do it in the first place. He was the biggest name on the team, and the one that could make these gangsters the most money. In the chain of responsability that led to this situation, the players are obviously the least to blame. If we had to make a hierarchy, I'd say it's something like : 1 - Brokers 2 - Gerrard / KeSPA 3 - Players
Seems to be much more of an issue in Korea and we have players all over the world
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On October 20 2015 02:56 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 02:52 BisuDagger wrote:
Does anyone think this kind of thing is occurring in League of Legends Korean Scene too and just hasn't been caught yet? I doubt it greatly. It seems much harder to do in a MOBA because the entire team would need to be involved. Say just 1 player gets convinced to throw, if their individual performance is bad for too long they would just get kicked/subbed out, not to mention that one player playing poorly can still not lose it for a team. You'd need multiple people involved to make it doable and not having the whole team involved is just asking for one of the not involved members to eventually figure it out
You just have to corrupt a whole team. And CS:GO told us, that it is possible to get a 5 people team on board.
But that would be a whole other lvl, LOL is gigantic in Korea, every player there gets paid there under kespa regime. So while this case, Prime case, was mostlikely inflicted due to the money problems of the team and players (When you give up your youth and education to play a videogame as pro, familie and yourself expect from you to benefit finacial from it). A LoL match fixing scandal would be on Savior level. And we are not on that level at the moment.
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On October 20 2015 03:00 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 02:58 Boucot wrote:On October 20 2015 02:50 TronJovolta wrote:
Can't help but feel bad for Yoda. I feel it's entirely possible he was coerced with violence to do it in the first place. He was the biggest name on the team, and the one that could make these gangsters the most money. In the chain of responsability that led to this situation, the players are obviously the least to blame. If we had to make a hierarchy, I'd say it's something like : 1 - Brokers 2 - Gerrard / KeSPA 3 - Players Seems to be much more of an issue in Korea and we have players all over the world
I'm only talking about the Prime situation here, KeSPA shouldn't have let Prime in this miserable state for that long. They should be responsible for the teams affiliated to them. The fact that the Prime players weren't paid for months is shameful. It's not like LYGF, Imaginary Gaming or a joke team like that, Prime is a KeSPA team.
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On October 20 2015 03:04 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 03:00 Cyro wrote:On October 20 2015 02:58 Boucot wrote:On October 20 2015 02:50 TronJovolta wrote:
Can't help but feel bad for Yoda. I feel it's entirely possible he was coerced with violence to do it in the first place. He was the biggest name on the team, and the one that could make these gangsters the most money. In the chain of responsability that led to this situation, the players are obviously the least to blame. If we had to make a hierarchy, I'd say it's something like : 1 - Brokers 2 - Gerrard / KeSPA 3 - Players Seems to be much more of an issue in Korea and we have players all over the world I'm only talking about the Prime situation here, KeSPA shouldn't have let Prime in this miserable state for that long. They should be responsible for the teams affiliated to them. The fact that the Prime players weren't paid for months is shameful. It's not like LYGF, Imaginary Gaming or a joke team like that, Prime is a KeSPA team.
What I can't figure out is why did Kespa let Prime join in the first place? Incredible Miracle and MVP both, while weaker than the current kespa teams, were still afloat on their own. Prime has been limping for what feels like years. It wasn't like they had a LoL team at the time like Najin, they were just a really poor team that they didn't do much about
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On October 20 2015 03:04 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 03:00 Cyro wrote:On October 20 2015 02:58 Boucot wrote:On October 20 2015 02:50 TronJovolta wrote:
Can't help but feel bad for Yoda. I feel it's entirely possible he was coerced with violence to do it in the first place. He was the biggest name on the team, and the one that could make these gangsters the most money. In the chain of responsability that led to this situation, the players are obviously the least to blame. If we had to make a hierarchy, I'd say it's something like : 1 - Brokers 2 - Gerrard / KeSPA 3 - Players Seems to be much more of an issue in Korea and we have players all over the world I'm only talking about the Prime situation here, KeSPA shouldn't have let Prime in this miserable state for that long. They should be responsible for the teams affiliated to them. The fact that the Prime players weren't paid for months is shameful. It's not like LYGF, Imaginary Gaming or a joke team like that, Prime is a KeSPA team.
that's also true, i didn't think of it but kespa has its share
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On October 20 2015 02:52 BisuDagger wrote:
Does anyone think this kind of thing is occurring in League of Legends Korean Scene too and just hasn't been caught yet?
Probably to some degree. There was a betting incident yesteryear that ended up with a suicide attempt with one of the players:
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/445845-ahq-korea-match-fixing
Really heartbreaking story.
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On October 20 2015 03:08 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 03:04 Boucot wrote:On October 20 2015 03:00 Cyro wrote:On October 20 2015 02:58 Boucot wrote:On October 20 2015 02:50 TronJovolta wrote:
Can't help but feel bad for Yoda. I feel it's entirely possible he was coerced with violence to do it in the first place. He was the biggest name on the team, and the one that could make these gangsters the most money. In the chain of responsability that led to this situation, the players are obviously the least to blame. If we had to make a hierarchy, I'd say it's something like : 1 - Brokers 2 - Gerrard / KeSPA 3 - Players Seems to be much more of an issue in Korea and we have players all over the world I'm only talking about the Prime situation here, KeSPA shouldn't have let Prime in this miserable state for that long. They should be responsible for the teams affiliated to them. The fact that the Prime players weren't paid for months is shameful. It's not like LYGF, Imaginary Gaming or a joke team like that, Prime is a KeSPA team. What I can't figure out is why did Kespa let Prime join in the first place? Incredible Miracle and MVP both, while weaker than the current kespa teams, were still afloat on their own. Prime has been limping for what feels like years. It wasn't like they had a LoL team at the time like Najin, they were just a really poor team.
Because it was their only option? 3 Teams left SPL and it had to be refilled to 8 teams.
Startale didnt want to join.
Axiom didnt want to join.
fOu just lost the sponsor and declined into death
souL just dropped out.
The League winner, the Stars, just got closed
Azubu wasnt very healthy and disbanded soon.
NSH closed doors even earlier.
There was just no alternative to Prime, MVP and IM. And IM closed its SC II doors 1 year before Prime.
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To see the day when Yoda succumb to the dark side of the force...
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On October 20 2015 02:52 BisuDagger wrote:
Does anyone think this kind of thing is occurring in League of Legends Korean Scene too and just hasn't been caught yet?
the guys that got caught on this were really, really sloppy. there are match-fixers out there running disciplined, ruthlessly executed cheat machines that will never get caught. in sports and esports... just google Declan Hill. Football matches get fixed with less than 3 guys involved. LoL can easily be fixed.
match fixing itself does not intrigue me because i know its happening.. has happened in the past and will happen in the future.
what i'm waiting for is this: 2 teams or players getting together and choreographing epic battle sequences for additional "wow factor" for the viewers. 
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the suicide story is horrible... but thanks for the insight.
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On October 20 2015 03:16 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 03:08 chipmonklord17 wrote:On October 20 2015 03:04 Boucot wrote:On October 20 2015 03:00 Cyro wrote:On October 20 2015 02:58 Boucot wrote:On October 20 2015 02:50 TronJovolta wrote:
Can't help but feel bad for Yoda. I feel it's entirely possible he was coerced with violence to do it in the first place. He was the biggest name on the team, and the one that could make these gangsters the most money. In the chain of responsability that led to this situation, the players are obviously the least to blame. If we had to make a hierarchy, I'd say it's something like : 1 - Brokers 2 - Gerrard / KeSPA 3 - Players Seems to be much more of an issue in Korea and we have players all over the world I'm only talking about the Prime situation here, KeSPA shouldn't have let Prime in this miserable state for that long. They should be responsible for the teams affiliated to them. The fact that the Prime players weren't paid for months is shameful. It's not like LYGF, Imaginary Gaming or a joke team like that, Prime is a KeSPA team. What I can't figure out is why did Kespa let Prime join in the first place? Incredible Miracle and MVP both, while weaker than the current kespa teams, were still afloat on their own. Prime has been limping for what feels like years. It wasn't like they had a LoL team at the time like Najin, they were just a really poor team. Because it was their only option? 3 Teams left SPL and it had to be refilled to 8 teams. Startale didnt want to join. Axiom didnt want to join. fOu just lost the sponsor and declined into death souL just dropped out. The League winner, the Stars, just got closed Azubu wasnt very healthy and disbanded soon. NSH closed doors even earlier. There was just no alternative to Prime, MVP and IM. And IM closed its SC II doors 1 year before Prime.
But they could have just not. Letting arguably the worst possible option join is a liability to the kespa image. No other Kespa team looked as poor or struggling as Prime. Either you help them out like they did with 8th Team or you just don't let them join and let the players currently on the team split into the others. Having one less team in the league but having all of those teams look like they're surviving on their own is a better imagine than the fact that Prime was left to the wolves
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On October 20 2015 03:02 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 02:56 chipmonklord17 wrote:On October 20 2015 02:52 BisuDagger wrote:
Does anyone think this kind of thing is occurring in League of Legends Korean Scene too and just hasn't been caught yet? I doubt it greatly. It seems much harder to do in a MOBA because the entire team would need to be involved. Say just 1 player gets convinced to throw, if their individual performance is bad for too long they would just get kicked/subbed out, not to mention that one player playing poorly can still not lose it for a team. You'd need multiple people involved to make it doable and not having the whole team involved is just asking for one of the not involved members to eventually figure it out You just have to corrupt a whole team. And CS:GO told us, that it is possible to get a 5 people team on board.
Yep, there were five SPARKYZ players involved in the BW MFS, so it's not that farfetched.
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Even though that fixed matches were happening was pretty much confirmed at this point, this still sucks.
Also, Gerrard, what the hell man?
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So, will a new Team 8 arise to replace Prime?
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On October 20 2015 03:38 sparklyresidue wrote:
So, will a new Team 8 arise to replace Prime?
At the moment the only hints we have is a post from TCMs Manager about a NK (non-kespa) allstar team.
I think this is most likely, even when it will have a name like 8th time secound run or something.
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so what happened to Lorning?
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