EPTI hope that it hasn't affected the WCS world finals in any way...
YoDa, B4, Gerrard arrested for match-fixing - Page 64
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Based on the official Police investigation, only the above players have been implicated in matchfixing. There is no reason to further accuse other players and teams until we get more information. Incessant blind accusations will not be tolerated. Please read the thread and the updates before posting. As of page 54 we will be moderating against match fixing accusations for players who were not caught in this incident, including those using voided Pinnacle bets as evidence. | ||
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
I hope that it hasn't affected the WCS world finals in any way... | ||
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SharkStarcraft
Austria2240 Posts
good to see they're actually going after these cheaters with serious charges edit whoops didnt read the rules | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On October 20 2015 02:52 BisuDagger wrote: Does anyone think this kind of thing is occurring in League of Legends Korean Scene too and just hasn't been caught yet? I find it far less likely simply because LoL Players are getting decent salaries paid from Riot. | ||
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BeStFAN
483 Posts
it was delusion to think that "one day this will be successful enough" or to ignore financial reality and continue because it was better than accepting that team had failed | ||
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Wuster
1974 Posts
On October 20 2015 08:44 NEEDZMOAR wrote: I find it far less likely simply because LoL Players are getting decent salaries paid from Riot. I thought that was only for EU / NA teams? Like a turbo-charged WCS system. Besides this did happen in the LoL Korean scene as others have pointed out. It was only the coach + one player too, the others weren't involved so it doesn't actually take 5 to fix a game. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
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Ansibled
United Kingdom9872 Posts
On October 20 2015 08:51 Wuster wrote: I thought that was only for EU / NA teams? Like a turbo-charged WCS system. Besides this did happen in the LoL Korean scene as others have pointed out. It was only the coach + one player too, the others weren't involved so it doesn't actually take 5 to fix a game. I think it changed this year so that they do. | ||
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fishjie
United States1519 Posts
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SHODAN
United Kingdom1144 Posts
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midnight999
United States257 Posts
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Qwyn
United States2779 Posts
On October 20 2015 02:58 Boucot wrote: In the chain of responsability that led to this situation, the players are obviously the least to blame. If we had to make a hierarchy, I'd say it's something like : 1 - Brokers 2 - Gerrard / KeSPA 3 - Players I'm sorry, but, how are the players the least to blame? The way I see it the ultimate bastion of responsibility for these events rests on the shoulders of the players. They have the power to prevent this entirely. It's what is right, versus what is easy. They may have been coerced, yes. They may have had their entire progaming career on the line. But they also had their honor and integrity on the line as well, and they chose to throw it away. Arguing for such a hierarchy just seems like an attempt to minimize the damage these players have done - to salvage their integrity. | ||
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damoonwolf
France98 Posts
If the consequenses are the same than for the BW scandal, sc2 is pretty dead. | ||
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Excludos
Norway8147 Posts
On October 20 2015 10:34 damoonwolf wrote: Dat damn stupid guys... Just when sc2 growing in Korea... If the consequenses are the same than for the BW scandal, sc2 is pretty dead. Of course it won't be. None of these guys have close to the same influence Savior had. Prime is dead as a team tho, which is sad for everyone, but it's not going to "destroy the game" | ||
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Magic Powers
Austria4478 Posts
I certainly do not condone large-scale thievery, but after many years of experience in competitive fields I expect criminal activities of any scale to happen in every single environment, especially when large sums of money are at stake. It is neccessary for people to understand that crime is not abnormal in our world - we just don't always see it happening. We have to fight against it, but we should not be naive and think that it's the exception to the rule, because if we close our eyes then criminals have a much easier time getting away with it and they will ruin things for everyone else. The following might get under your skin. At the same time I also want to say that to me it seems wrong to put 100% of the blame on the criminals. We have to ask ourselves why this happens. Is something wrong with the system? Do failed progamers and those with low winrates have a fair chance to lead an average/good life? What are the options for someone who picks up a popular video game, practices hard for many years, and essentially loses those years if he/she fails to succeed? Is their everyday life even acceptable? Bad things don't happen for no reason. Criminals have reasons. Stealing out of desperation is not the same thing as stealing out of pure greed. Reasons do matter. We have to keep asking questions and making improvements. Pointing fingers is so easy, but the easy way is usually not the right way. We should always try to improve the whole situation, we should try to find ways to give progamers a better chance at a good life. That does not mean spending more money on them, it means supporting them on their way in when they choose to and on their way out if and when they have to go. I hope this scandal does not do terrible terrible damage to the scene (we will probably recover from it, but fingers crossed anyway). | ||
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astray71
United States325 Posts
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MoosyDoosy
United States4519 Posts
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Thouhastmail
Korea (North)876 Posts
"I have translated this truly marvellous announcement, which this margin is too narrow to contain." | ||
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The Bottle
242 Posts
The brokers, on the other hand, might be a different story. Especially if they coerced the players. If they did, in fact, then I hope the law goes easy on the players. I don't know how bad the state of organized crime is in Korea, but if it's anything like the Mafia, then the players' lives may well have been in danger. I guess we'll have to wait for more details on the case before we make any definitive statement in this regard, but I hope people realize that it's possible that the players were in a sympathetic position. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On October 20 2015 11:32 The Bottle wrote: I just hope that the players don't go to prison. What they did is deplorable and damaged the SC2 scene, there's no doubt about that, but there's nothing dangerous about letting them wander the streets of SK. They're just a danger to the E-sports scene, so banning them is good enough in my opinion. The brokers, on the other hand, might be a different story. Especially if they coerced the players. If they did, in fact, then I hope the law goes easy on the players. I don't know how bad the state of organized crime is in Korea, but if it's anything like the Mafia, then the players' lives may well have been in danger. I guess we'll have to wait for more details on the case before we make any definitive statement in this regard, but I hope people realize that it's possible that the players were in a sympathetic position. You are confusing the difference between what KeSPA is allowed to do and what this is really about, which is a criminal case in the hands of the prosecutor. Jail time is not something that is within the control of KeSPA, but rather is based on the enforcement of the Korean law. | ||
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The Bottle
242 Posts
On October 20 2015 12:16 jellyjello wrote: You are confusing the difference between what KeSPA is allowed to do and what this is really about, which is a criminal case in the hands of the prosecutor. Jail time is not something that is within the control of KeSPA, but rather is based on the enforcement of the Korean law. I get that I was talking about the two things that could happen to them in the same paragraph, but I didn't at all suggest that it was the same people who could issue both punishments. I'm not an idiot, I know South Korea doesn't allow KeSPA to adjudicate criminal cases. All I'm saying is that I hope the SK courts won't sentence them to prison, but KeSPA banning them is certainly the right thing. But I know nothing about South Korean law, so maybe someone who knows more will know what would happen to the players if they are convicted. | ||
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