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Based on the official Police investigation, only the above players have been implicated in matchfixing. There is no reason to further accuse other players and teams until we get more information. Incessant blind accusations will not be tolerated. Please read the thread and the updates before posting. As of page 54 we will be moderating against match fixing accusations for players who were not caught in this incident, including those using voided Pinnacle bets as evidence. |
On October 20 2015 12:22 The Bottle wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 12:16 jellyjello wrote:On October 20 2015 11:32 The Bottle wrote:
I just hope that the players don't go to prison. What they did is deplorable and damaged the SC2 scene, there's no doubt about that, but there's nothing dangerous about letting them wander the streets of SK. They're just a danger to the E-sports scene, so banning them is good enough in my opinion.
The brokers, on the other hand, might be a different story. Especially if they coerced the players. If they did, in fact, then I hope the law goes easy on the players. I don't know how bad the state of organized crime is in Korea, but if it's anything like the Mafia, then the players' lives may well have been in danger. I guess we'll have to wait for more details on the case before we make any definitive statement in this regard, but I hope people realize that it's possible that the players were in a sympathetic position. You are confusing the difference between what KeSPA is allowed to do and what this is really about, which is a criminal case in the hands of the prosecutor. Jail time is not something that is within the control of KeSPA, but rather is based on the enforcement of the Korean law. I get that I was talking about the two things that could happen to them in the same paragraph, but I didn't at all suggest that it was the same people who could issue both punishments. I'm not an idiot, I know South Korea doesn't allow KeSPA to adjudicate criminal cases. All I'm saying is that I hope the SK courts won't sentence them to prison, but KeSPA banning them is certainly the right thing. But I know nothing about South Korean law, so maybe someone who knows more will know what would happen to the players if they are convicted.
well the players involved in the bw matchfix scandal were given a fine, some had to do community service, gambling addiction treatments and had a probation period.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Match_Fixing_Scandal#Consequences
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look at the games as much as you like, but you will not find evidence for match fixing there. I have seen players build triple hydra dens and double spires (and lose) and apparently those games were not fixed. you can look as much as you want, but it's just too easy to lose on purpose. simply play overly greedy, don't scout, over extend, split up your forces, leave yourself vulnerable to harass and counter attacks, leave your dropships unattended, misread the enemies unit composition... and in most cases it will just be called a big blunder. it's just too easy to lose on purpose...
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A few thousand dollars. So much sadness in exchange for so little money.....
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On October 20 2015 10:39 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 10:34 damoonwolf wrote:
Dat damn stupid guys... Just when sc2 growing in Korea...
If the consequenses are the same than for the BW scandal, sc2 is pretty dead.
Of course it won't be. None of these guys have close to the same influence Savior had. Prime is dead as a team tho, which is sad for everyone, but it's not going to "destroy the game"
Of course they don't have the influence of Savior but it's still a very bad message for the fans, and more again for sponsort. what compagny want take the risk to see their name dirtied by a corruption scandal?
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While it's not, say, SBENU being implicated in these matches, this is enough to completely fuck over my faith that any game I see in SC2 programing is at all legitimate.
If players like YoDa and BboongBboong, and a famous coach like Gerrard, are matchfixing in Code S? Fuck this. I'm gonna go watch Heroes of the Storm and hope this same bullshit doesn't occur.
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I never really liked either Yoda or BboongBboong to be honest. They were both fringe players - yoda was a semi-decent foreigner hunter but never really did anything much outside of that. I'm a bit surprised anyone needed to pay him to lose. Good riddance to bad eggs.
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At least they got more than $322 lol
Seriously though, some progamers there must be desperate for money...
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On October 20 2015 16:57 boon2537 wrote:
At least they got more than $322 lol
Seriously though, some progamers there must be desperate for money...
i do not think it is just money.
to be honest for all the time playing practicing game and not getting education, most progamer could have made more money with a part time job.
of course, all progamer want success, because they need justification for wasting youth not getting an education, not having time for normal social and romance. enough money, enough fans, enough satisfaction to ease.
i think some progamer have sunk cost fallacy. they realize that they are no longer teenager, but they are quickly moving through 20 years, playing game playing game, while their high school dongmoon are completing studies, working for company, getting close to marriage, finished military. so they continue and hope that they can find justification, while ignoring reality.
the most successful group of progamer, outside of top progamer, are progamers who retire early.
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Me this morning: "I wonder what's happening in SC2. Haven't checked it out in ages, maybe there's a good match going on. Let's go to Team Liquid."
First thing I see is a headline on match-fixing. Very sad.
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On October 20 2015 17:31 FuzzyJAM wrote:
Me this morning: "I wonder what's happening in SC2. Haven't checked it out in ages, maybe there's a good match going on. Let's go to Team Liquid."
First thing I see is a headline on match-fixing. Very sad.
Well, there's the WCS Global Finals Ro16 next weekend. That's going to be very exciting.
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lol, b4 getting paid to lose vs flash. that didn't even require game throwing, no matter how poor flash's form might be.
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On October 20 2015 20:40 esdf wrote:
lol, b4 getting paid to lose vs flash. that didn't even require game throwing, no matter how poor flash's form might be.
But gives a funny story: To end flashs losing streak, someone had to pay the opponent to lose the game...
Justmatchfixingthings
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On October 20 2015 20:55 Clonester wrote:Show nested quote +On October 20 2015 20:40 esdf wrote:
lol, b4 getting paid to lose vs flash. that didn't even require game throwing, no matter how poor flash's form might be. But gives a funny story: To end flashs losing streak, someone had to pay the opponent to lose the game... Justmatchfixingthings
haha indeed, but like i said, think flash would've won that no matter his given form.
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B4 too now? Ugh x.x This just gets more and more depressing.
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Good guy B4 saving Flash's career while earning some on the side. :D
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Korea needs to loosen up its stance on gambling.
The reason a criminal market exist is the demand for things outside of the law.
Gambling is an instinctual urge that has been present in almost every culture.
Controlled gambling environment would bring in taxes as well as decrease strength of illegal gambling market.
Only allow 5% of salary as gambling allowance.
South Korean government has been ineffective at stopping illegal gambling, at some point regulation is needed more than containment.
At a certain point, just like the USA has done with Marijuana, the income from taxation will be too tempting for the government to pass by. Hopefully they will follow the American model of heavy taxation and regulation.
That being said, still a big fan of Yoda I believe that his circumstances drove him down this path.
During his IM days when mvp said Yoda was the best terran on IM you could see Yoda improving even during games.
If you actually get to know and talk to incarcerated people many were driven down that dark road by desperation, not desire or selfishness.
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i'm against matchfixing, but honestly the despair from this is getting kind of funny
realistically speaking this kind of scandal will inevitably happen in any sport that's gambled upon, it even happens in the highest leagues of sport sometimes. condemn it, ban people, but at some point you kind of have to let it go and focus on the positive parts of liking and watching the game
obviously as an organization kespa has to take it seriously, but fans acting like their lives are over because bad people did bad things again, yeesh. let's just press on to lotv. being vindictive about stuff that's over and done with will just prolong the stain on the scene
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On October 20 2015 15:10 Nuclease wrote:
While it's not, say, SBENU being implicated in these matches, this is enough to completely fuck over my faith that any game I see in SC2 programing is at all legitimate.
If players like YoDa and BboongBboong, and a famous coach like Gerrard, are matchfixing in Code S? Fuck this. I'm gonna go watch Heroes of the Storm and hope this same bullshit doesn't occur.
Heh something like this happened in CSGO earlier in the year that involved not only match fixing but cheating as well.
Also FYI it'll probably happen in Heroes as well, probably any semi big/competitive game where money can be made. It sucks, but you are naive if you think it won't happen there. I can bet money it's happened in League and shit as well (don't watch/play and don't read about it but I would be shocked if it hasn't happened.)
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