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On June 10 2015 19:09 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 18:58 nkr wrote:On June 10 2015 18:46 yoshi245 wrote:
What a dirtbag move, doing it mid season. If they actually cared about their twitch viewer stream base, they'd at least do it after this season of Code S is over, but nope. Why would they care about a leeching viewer base that is impossible to monetize? The adblock numbers are through the roof in esports. They don't help keeping the thing afloat. All that matters is how many that subscribe. And no, bringing new viewers to sc2 isn't a thing at this point. well this is something of blizzards concern. Designing a game that is pure frustration in a lot of cases is blizzards fault. I know a lot of MP games, and I never felt so helpless after 1000s of hours of learning and investment, for instance in situations you just lead the game for the whole time and then you just get protossed, zerged or terraned. There have been 100s of Ideas how to prevent that, but Blizzard doesn't really want to listen.
D'worry, looks like we will create our own SC2. Also, Starbow looks very nice !
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Back to low, sigh. I signed up, and now it looks neat on source. I think caring kinda goes both ways - ppl were saying earlier in this thread that now that they're no longer broke, subscribing isn't a big problem, and I have to agree.
One has to wonder though, that almost all other tournaments (across games) manage to provide high quality streams without it impacting their financing plan. One would think that selling adds and product placement would be easier if one had free high quality streams that people would flock to.
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So this is what life will be like when i get older and have cataracts 
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On June 10 2015 18:58 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 18:46 yoshi245 wrote:
What a dirtbag move, doing it mid season. If they actually cared about their twitch viewer stream base, they'd at least do it after this season of Code S is over, but nope. Why would they care about a leeching viewer base that is impossible to monetize? The adblock numbers are through the roof in esports. They don't help keeping the thing afloat. All that matters is how many that subscribe. And no, bringing new viewers to sc2 isn't a thing at this point.
Even those "leeching viewer base" is important. Maybe even more than you realize. With viewer numbers that don't even get you on the first page of twitch you can not realy (re)grow your game/your broadcast into something big. You can also only get new subs when people notice your stream, if someone does not even tune in, they will naturally never be a future subscriber.
Old fans will not be happy either as you can see, considering that they get comparable content in better quality, for free.
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On June 10 2015 19:09 Rollora wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 18:58 nkr wrote:On June 10 2015 18:46 yoshi245 wrote:
What a dirtbag move, doing it mid season. If they actually cared about their twitch viewer stream base, they'd at least do it after this season of Code S is over, but nope. Why would they care about a leeching viewer base that is impossible to monetize? The adblock numbers are through the roof in esports. They don't help keeping the thing afloat. All that matters is how many that subscribe. And no, bringing new viewers to sc2 isn't a thing at this point. well this is something of blizzards concern. Designing a game that is pure frustration in a lot of cases is blizzards fault. I know a lot of MP games, and I never felt so helpless after 1000s of hours of learning and investment, for instance in situations you just lead the game for the whole time and then you just get protossed, zerged or terraned. There have been 100s of Ideas how to prevent that, but Blizzard doesn't really want to listen.
Convenient to blame blizzard for breaking the whole game to the point where you lose leads vs every race cos' they're all broken... or maybe you'd rather complain than fix the issues with your play?
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On June 10 2015 19:11 Parcelleus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 19:09 Rollora wrote:On June 10 2015 18:58 nkr wrote:On June 10 2015 18:46 yoshi245 wrote:
What a dirtbag move, doing it mid season. If they actually cared about their twitch viewer stream base, they'd at least do it after this season of Code S is over, but nope. Why would they care about a leeching viewer base that is impossible to monetize? The adblock numbers are through the roof in esports. They don't help keeping the thing afloat. All that matters is how many that subscribe. And no, bringing new viewers to sc2 isn't a thing at this point. well this is something of blizzards concern. Designing a game that is pure frustration in a lot of cases is blizzards fault. I know a lot of MP games, and I never felt so helpless after 1000s of hours of learning and investment, for instance in situations you just lead the game for the whole time and then you just get protossed, zerged or terraned. There have been 100s of Ideas how to prevent that, but Blizzard doesn't really want to listen. D'worry, looks like we will create our own SC2. Also, Starbow looks very nice !
While I know what you mean with Starbow, I am not sure about what you mean by your first sentence. Sorry, pls explain. HELP! I am curious.
On June 10 2015 19:20 Scarecrow wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 19:09 Rollora wrote:On June 10 2015 18:58 nkr wrote:On June 10 2015 18:46 yoshi245 wrote:
What a dirtbag move, doing it mid season. If they actually cared about their twitch viewer stream base, they'd at least do it after this season of Code S is over, but nope. Why would they care about a leeching viewer base that is impossible to monetize? The adblock numbers are through the roof in esports. They don't help keeping the thing afloat. All that matters is how many that subscribe. And no, bringing new viewers to sc2 isn't a thing at this point. well this is something of blizzards concern. Designing a game that is pure frustration in a lot of cases is blizzards fault. I know a lot of MP games, and I never felt so helpless after 1000s of hours of learning and investment, for instance in situations you just lead the game for the whole time and then you just get protossed, zerged or terraned. There have been 100s of Ideas how to prevent that, but Blizzard doesn't really want to listen. Convenient to blame blizzard for breaking the whole game to the point where you lose leads vs every race cos' they're all broken... or maybe you'd rather complain than fix the issues with your play?
Such an intelligent comment had to come along.
What if I tell you its not my "play", but it also happens to lots of pro players. Do you tell them "learn to play" as well?
I didn't say the game is broken, but it is too versatile, and leads, established through constant harassing and gaining small advantages over time, shouldn't just be over if the person doesn't look for one sec.
That is not only frustrating to play but also to watch.
Thx,I am doing fine in diamond, still the level of frustration is higher than any other "skillbased" game, since these frustration-moments cannot be compensated by skill. And if you refer to skill, its also only in SC2 that "noobs" get so far with their one trick pony plays.
I am playing competitive multiplayer since 1996, I have seen quite some things. Trust me, it is not just some "whine" I spread here, when I say, that there are mechanics in this game, that circumvent skill, bring too much randomness into the game and make it frustrating. I don't blame balance or skill or whatever.
The game is based to be balanced around that 0.1 % player base that can play the game on that level. Beyond that, the game gets increasingly frustrating sometimes. Blizzard shouldn't rebalance the game. That would be the worst, but they should at least think of things that make the game more fun, for the 99.9% other players. There is a reason SC:BW and Starbow gain popularity again. And no, its not my skill, but thx for searching for the easy answer. Hope you don't speak for Blizzard
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On June 10 2015 19:14 Horsaphael wrote:
That's good for O'Gaming
why? (honest question)
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On June 10 2015 19:21 TheNewEra wrote:why? (honest question)
O'Gaming broadcasts GSL at something like 18:00 or 20:00 CET (not sure on that) on the day GSL happened. It's in French, but it's with free Source. Thus less people watching GSL live because of low stream quality = more potential viewers for O'Gaming, since afaik O'Gaming is the only source of HQ GSL for non-subscribers.
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By the way, the only judgement of it being a good move or not will be the end results. If people find this move bad and don't want to pay don't blame those people, blame the business. The burden of profitability is not on the people, it's on the business god dammit.
I see it the same way as pirating, where you'd have people in the cultural industry saying "wah wah, people are bad, they're pirating our products instead of buying them", yet there's successful platforms that markets cultural products that could otherwise being easily pirated, so maybe think twice about how you may have overpriced or even directly pissed your customers (like those protections on CD/DVD that were a fucking PAIN for the usual customer, but that pirates would never be bothered with...)
I believe most people are inclined to pay for something they want (well, when they can). They turn away when they think the money/effort is not worth it.
On June 10 2015 19:24 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 19:21 TheNewEra wrote:On June 10 2015 19:14 Horsaphael wrote:
That's good for O'Gaming why? (honest question) O'Gaming broadcasts GSL at something like 18:00 or 20:00 CET (not sure on that) on the day GSL happened. It's in French, but it's with free Source. Thus less people watching GSL live because of low stream quality = more potential viewers for O'Gaming, since afaik O'Gaming is the only source of HQ GSL for non-subscribers.
Heh 
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On June 10 2015 19:24 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 19:21 TheNewEra wrote:On June 10 2015 19:14 Horsaphael wrote:
That's good for O'Gaming why? (honest question) O'Gaming broadcasts GSL at something like 18:00 or 20:00 CET (not sure on that) on the day GSL happened. It's in French, but it's with free Source. Thus less people watching GSL live because of low stream quality = more potential viewers for O'Gaming.
The real problem is that O'gaming streaming purely in french, we have to choose between video quality and artosis/tasteless radio
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They won't get a single view count from me anymore. I'd be ok if both Koreans and the West were getting low quality but only foreigners get screwed. meanwhile they gladly accept blizzard american money to sustain them.
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On June 10 2015 19:15 Gr33d wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 18:58 nkr wrote:On June 10 2015 18:46 yoshi245 wrote:
What a dirtbag move, doing it mid season. If they actually cared about their twitch viewer stream base, they'd at least do it after this season of Code S is over, but nope. Why would they care about a leeching viewer base that is impossible to monetize? The adblock numbers are through the roof in esports. They don't help keeping the thing afloat. All that matters is how many that subscribe. And no, bringing new viewers to sc2 isn't a thing at this point. Even those "leeching viewer base" is important. Maybe even more than you realize. With viewer numbers that don't even get you on the first page of twitch you can not realy (re)grow your game/your broadcast into something big. You can also only get new subs when people notice your stream, if someone does not even tune in, they will naturally never be a future subscriber. Old fans will not be happy either as you can see, considering that they get comparable content in better quality, for free.
Everyone in Sc2 knows about GSL. Sc2 isn't growing.
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On June 10 2015 15:56 Inflicted wrote:
Blizzard should just copy Riot, take over & provide High for free
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On June 10 2015 19:26 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 19:24 OtherWorld wrote:On June 10 2015 19:21 TheNewEra wrote:On June 10 2015 19:14 Horsaphael wrote:
That's good for O'Gaming why? (honest question) O'Gaming broadcasts GSL at something like 18:00 or 20:00 CET (not sure on that) on the day GSL happened. It's in French, but it's with free Source. Thus less people watching GSL live because of low stream quality = more potential viewers for O'Gaming. The real problem is that O'gaming streaming purely in french, we have to choose between video quality and artosis/tasteless radio
French is a beautiful language, I assure you d:
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On June 10 2015 19:28 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 19:26 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On June 10 2015 19:24 OtherWorld wrote:On June 10 2015 19:21 TheNewEra wrote:On June 10 2015 19:14 Horsaphael wrote:
That's good for O'Gaming why? (honest question) O'Gaming broadcasts GSL at something like 18:00 or 20:00 CET (not sure on that) on the day GSL happened. It's in French, but it's with free Source. Thus less people watching GSL live because of low stream quality = more potential viewers for O'Gaming. The real problem is that O'gaming streaming purely in french, we have to choose between video quality and artosis/tasteless radio French is a beautiful language, I assure you d:
Yeah, only language where getting insulted in CSGO is an enjoyable experience. Ta mere.
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On June 10 2015 19:28 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 19:26 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On June 10 2015 19:24 OtherWorld wrote:On June 10 2015 19:21 TheNewEra wrote:On June 10 2015 19:14 Horsaphael wrote:
That's good for O'Gaming why? (honest question) O'Gaming broadcasts GSL at something like 18:00 or 20:00 CET (not sure on that) on the day GSL happened. It's in French, but it's with free Source. Thus less people watching GSL live because of low stream quality = more potential viewers for O'Gaming. The real problem is that O'gaming streaming purely in french, we have to choose between video quality and artosis/tasteless radio French is a beautiful language, I assure you d:
not like we speak that much french while casting anyway :D
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DAMN I always forget about O'gaming. Fuck me hahaha.
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On June 10 2015 19:28 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 19:26 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On June 10 2015 19:24 OtherWorld wrote:On June 10 2015 19:21 TheNewEra wrote:On June 10 2015 19:14 Horsaphael wrote:
That's good for O'Gaming why? (honest question) O'Gaming broadcasts GSL at something like 18:00 or 20:00 CET (not sure on that) on the day GSL happened. It's in French, but it's with free Source. Thus less people watching GSL live because of low stream quality = more potential viewers for O'Gaming. The real problem is that O'gaming streaming purely in french, we have to choose between video quality and artosis/tasteless radio French is a beautiful language, I assure you d:
Seulement bien que tu sais la langue
On June 10 2015 19:29 nkr wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 19:28 OtherWorld wrote:On June 10 2015 19:26 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On June 10 2015 19:24 OtherWorld wrote:On June 10 2015 19:21 TheNewEra wrote:On June 10 2015 19:14 Horsaphael wrote:
That's good for O'Gaming why? (honest question) O'Gaming broadcasts GSL at something like 18:00 or 20:00 CET (not sure on that) on the day GSL happened. It's in French, but it's with free Source. Thus less people watching GSL live because of low stream quality = more potential viewers for O'Gaming. The real problem is that O'gaming streaming purely in french, we have to choose between video quality and artosis/tasteless radio French is a beautiful language, I assure you d: Yeah, only language where getting insulted in CSGO is an enjoyable experience. Ta mere.
Ta tante!
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On June 10 2015 19:28 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2015 19:26 cSc.Dav1oN wrote:On June 10 2015 19:24 OtherWorld wrote:On June 10 2015 19:21 TheNewEra wrote:On June 10 2015 19:14 Horsaphael wrote:
That's good for O'Gaming why? (honest question) O'Gaming broadcasts GSL at something like 18:00 or 20:00 CET (not sure on that) on the day GSL happened. It's in French, but it's with free Source. Thus less people watching GSL live because of low stream quality = more potential viewers for O'Gaming. The real problem is that O'gaming streaming purely in french, we have to choose between video quality and artosis/tasteless radio French is a beautiful language, I assure you d:
I doubt I can learn french before o'gaming stream starts tonight :D
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