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On March 26 2015 12:18 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 12:11 Popkiller wrote:
its kind of funny, to be honest. If I think of MKP throwing a game, it makes total sense that he'd be this bad at it. I don't have the slightest clue on how the betting bussiness works, but wouldn't Pinnacle be able to trace back the source originator who skewed the betting line?
Yes, they'd have the IP data of accounts, and last time this happened (San vs Dark) they made a statement that they'd cooperate with a Kespa investigation
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On March 26 2015 23:26 lohdon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 23:19 Penev wrote:On March 26 2015 23:17 lohdon wrote:On March 26 2015 23:07 Grizvok wrote:On March 26 2015 22:41 Deathstar wrote:On March 26 2015 22:34 OtherWorld wrote:On March 26 2015 22:19 Deathstar wrote:On March 26 2015 22:16 OtherWorld wrote:On March 26 2015 22:10 DJHelium wrote:
Nice, hopefully we'll get more than PR bullshit. The hopes are small though. Are you mad? They're going to say they will either investigate this further or that there is no conclusive evidence of match fixing. Which is pretty much PR bullshit, no? d: I don't know what else you would expect. Leave MKP alone until you have something solid There's already plenty of solid evidence. No there isn't. Explain to me why someone of MK's level wouldn't scout for a (proxy) hatch after scouting late pool + no natural This has already been discussed numerous times. For instance he could have missed that there was no natural at first went in with his scv and everything seemed normal timing then at some point he realized wait there is no natural and started to question if it really was normal pool and gas timings and started to believe it was one base bane.
How can he miss the natural? It's like the first thing you check and click when scouting, so if there's nothing to click you better be fucking alarmed. Why would he not look for the missing hatch or stick around the zerg's base even just until the pool finishes(IF he did assume there is a nat, which is like 10x less likely than missing the spine)?
He just went around byul's main hatch ONCE and got the fuck out of there straight back to his base. That's the most half-assed scouting I've ever seen. He showed absolutely no interest in the missing hatch nor the tech after the pool. Even if going 3CC is his "normal" reaction to proxy hatch, I can't believe he would rather not even try to look for it especially with an scv already out on the map instead of using his spare apm on scouting.
On March 26 2015 23:28 Charoisaur wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 23:19 Penev wrote:On March 26 2015 23:17 lohdon wrote:On March 26 2015 23:07 Grizvok wrote:On March 26 2015 22:41 Deathstar wrote:On March 26 2015 22:34 OtherWorld wrote:On March 26 2015 22:19 Deathstar wrote:On March 26 2015 22:16 OtherWorld wrote:Nice, hopefully we'll get more than PR bullshit. The hopes are small though. Are you mad? They're going to say they will either investigate this further or that there is no conclusive evidence of match fixing. Which is pretty much PR bullshit, no? d: I don't know what else you would expect. Leave MKP alone until you have something solid There's already plenty of solid evidence. No there isn't. Explain to me why someone of MK's level wouldn't scout for a (proxy) hatch after scouting late pool + no natural sometimes players just make those mistakes. Why would someone of INnoVations level fly 3 fully loaded medivacs into mutas? Why would someone of Rains level not build a pylon during a baserace despite having the money? Why would MMA destroy his own command center? only because they are pros it doesn't mean they can't make mistakes.
1. It was a split-second mistake. A lot of shit is going on around the map. It happened so fast it could even be a mere misclick.
2. In base race situations, every second counts. It is easy to miss how many buildings you have left when you're busy looking for your opponent's stuff/microing probes/controlling separate armies in a very tense moment.
3. Misclick.
Choosing not to give a single fuck about the missing hatch is not some split-second decision-making "mistake". The above mistakes are the kind players regret INSTANTLY. What was he thinking during the 50 game seconds his scv was walking home? It is hard to not believe it was a deliberate choice by 3:30 game time to just go 3CC and let byul do whatever he wants. He had so much time to regret that choice and scout(and not build the 3rd CC) but he didn't.
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If Koreans can match fix the 2002 World Cup held in Korea. This is nothing comparatively.
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Its very likely (especially after reading the Rekrul's post) that Kespa knows how damaging the whole investigation process will be to korean Sc2, so they have no choice but to ignore it and hope it will either somehow goes away, or matchfixers will be more careful in the future.
I am not that optimistic to think they are "in the process" of doing anything at all.
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On March 27 2015 00:11 Samx wrote:
If Koreans can match fix the 2002 World Cup held in Korea. This is nothing comparatively.
This post is completely unnecessary, get out
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On March 27 2015 00:12 maGicc wrote:
Its very likely (especially after reading the Rekrul's post) that Kespa knows how damaging the whole investigation process will be to korean Sc2, so they have no choice but to ignore it and hope it will either somehow goes away, or matchfixers will be more careful in the future.
I am not that optimistic to think they are "in the process" of doing anything at all.
That might be true but this case forces their hand IMO
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On March 27 2015 00:11 Samx wrote:
If Koreans can match fix the 2002 World Cup held in Korea. This is nothing comparatively.
The conspiracy theorists continue on and on.
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On March 27 2015 00:12 maGicc wrote:
Its very likely (especially after reading the Rekrul's post) that Kespa knows how damaging the whole investigation process will be to korean Sc2, so they have no choice but to ignore it and hope it will either somehow goes away, or matchfixers will be more careful in the future.
I am not that optimistic to think they are "in the process" of doing anything at all.
How is it damaging? I find that rooting out people who would destroy the integrity of a sport to be a good thing.
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On March 27 2015 00:23 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 00:12 maGicc wrote:
Its very likely (especially after reading the Rekrul's post) that Kespa knows how damaging the whole investigation process will be to korean Sc2, so they have no choice but to ignore it and hope it will either somehow goes away, or matchfixers will be more careful in the future.
I am not that optimistic to think they are "in the process" of doing anything at all. How is it damaging? I find that rooting out people who would destroy the integrity of a sport to be a good thing.
Sponsors hold everything.
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On March 27 2015 00:23 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 00:12 maGicc wrote:
Its very likely (especially after reading the Rekrul's post) that Kespa knows how damaging the whole investigation process will be to korean Sc2, so they have no choice but to ignore it and hope it will either somehow goes away, or matchfixers will be more careful in the future.
I am not that optimistic to think they are "in the process" of doing anything at all. How is it damaging? I find that rooting out people who would destroy the integrity of a sport to be a good thing.
Guess you weren't around during broodwar?
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If this is information being sold to third parties by the fixers, then it becomes even more necessary not to incriminate players on a personal basis. There's no reason the information being sold in the case of San couldn't have been that he was at the hospital and didn't practice much, for example.
But again, I don't get why we have this thread, when the assumption is that there's already an investigation going on in KeSPA. We're basically trying to obtain something that's afaik already happening.
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Except there is no assumption that Kespa is doing anything?
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On March 27 2015 00:25 Nebuchad wrote:
If this is information being sold to third parties by the fixers, then it becomes even more necessary not to incriminate players on a personal basis. There's no reason the information being sold in the case of San couldn't have been that he was at the hospital and didn't practice much, for example.
But again, I don't get why we have this thread, when the assumption is that there's already an investigation going on in KeSPA. We're basically trying to obtain something that's afaik already happening.
KESPA has told nothing about if they do something and I personal doubt they do something because they gonna lose alot of sponsors.
The San Dark thing is month ago and nothing happend.
So we talk here because KESPA does not do it.
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On March 26 2015 23:41 maGicc wrote:Given that MVP twitter favorited this i'd say chances that their statement will actually be truthful are increasing : ![[image loading]](http://i.gyazo.com/ce8f828cb384882736c6b156f4668729.png)
I know this is not the topic but this guy seems to be a reasonable person.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Pi7rPKx.jpg)
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On March 27 2015 00:16 Deathstar wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 00:11 Samx wrote:
If Koreans can match fix the 2002 World Cup held in Korea. This is nothing comparatively. The conspiracy theorists continue on and on.
To many Europeans and Americans, you guys have no idea about the shady betting underworld in asian. Football betting alone is estimated to be a trillion dollar industry with the majority being operated by shady triads in Asia. Uefa have come out and say that it is possible that hundreds of matches are possibly compromised each year from every echelons of the games, even in the champions league.
Go google perumal match fixing. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
Go google Javier Moreno.
For many who thinks these are conspiracy theories are in denial. I do not know much about esports betting scene. But if we draw the same equivalent to contemporary sports. This is about as damning as it gets, short of mkp confessing.
The thing that is keeping the scene safe is not that players are beyond corruption. But the small scale of sports betting. Small amounts of money move the odds too much for it to be lucrative for fixers. I.e there really isn't a lot of money to be made, maybe just a few thousand dollars or tens of thousands.
To draw a comparison to football betting which I'm familiar with. A million dollars punted on an EPL game only change the odds by a few cents. A million dollar in a Icelandic league game can drop the odds by a much bigger margin. For esports, I doubt the bookie will take 6 figure bets.
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On March 27 2015 00:38 Samx wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 00:16 Deathstar wrote:On March 27 2015 00:11 Samx wrote:
If Koreans can match fix the 2002 World Cup held in Korea. This is nothing comparatively. The conspiracy theorists continue on and on. To many Europeans and Americans, you guys have no idea about the shady betting underworld in asian. Football betting alone is estimated to be a trillion dollar industry with the majority being operated by shady triads in Asia. Uefa have come out and say that it is possible that hundreds of matches are possibly compromised each year from every echelons of the games, even in the champions league. Go google perumal match fixing. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Go google Javier Moreno. For many who thinks these are conspiracy theories are in denial. I do not know much about esports betting scene. But if we draw the same equivalent to contemporary sports. This is about as damning as it gets, short of mkp confessing. The thing that is keeping the scene safe is not that players are beyond corruption. But the small scale of sports betting. Small amounts of money move the odds too much for it to be lucrative for fixers. I.e there really isn't a lot of money to be made, maybe just a few thousand dollars or tens of thousands. To draw a comparison to football betting which I'm familiar with. A million dollars punted on an EPL game only change the odds by a few cents. A million dollar in a Icelandic league game can drop the odds by a much bigger margin. For esports, I doubt the bookie will take 6 figure bets.
We are aware, or at least I am
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On March 27 2015 00:36 Boucot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 26 2015 23:41 maGicc wrote:Given that MVP twitter favorited this i'd say chances that their statement will actually be truthful are increasing : I know this is not the topic but this guy seems to be a reasonable person. + Show Spoiler +
Rofl
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On March 27 2015 00:46 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 00:36 Boucot wrote:On March 26 2015 23:41 maGicc wrote:Given that MVP twitter favorited this i'd say chances that their statement will actually be truthful are increasing : I know this is not the topic but this guy seems to be a reasonable person. + Show Spoiler + Rofl
Rofl indeed Lol xD
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That was 2 month ago and we have not heard a word from kespa yet.
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