EPTWe never had any real confirmations that "Kespa is aware and is doing something". We only had info that Pinnacle is willing to cooperate with Kespa and provide all the needed info. But as far as we can tell now, it was a one sided offer that Kespa just ignored.
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
We never had any real confirmations that "Kespa is aware and is doing something". We only had info that Pinnacle is willing to cooperate with Kespa and provide all the needed info. But as far as we can tell now, it was a one sided offer that Kespa just ignored. | ||
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Deathstar
9150 Posts
On March 27 2015 00:38 Samx wrote: To many Europeans and Americans, you guys have no idea about the shady betting underworld in asian. Football betting alone is estimated to be a trillion dollar industry with the majority being operated by shady triads in Asia. Uefa have come out and say that it is possible that hundreds of matches are possibly compromised each year from every echelons of the games, even in the champions league. Go google perumal match fixing. This is just the tip of the iceberg. Go google Javier Moreno. For many who thinks these are conspiracy theories are in denial. I do not know much about esports betting scene. But if we draw the same equivalent to contemporary sports. This is about as damning as it gets, short of mkp confessing. The thing that is keeping the scene safe is not that players are beyond corruption. But the small scale of sports betting. Small amounts of money move the odds too much for it to be lucrative for fixers. I.e there really isn't a lot of money to be made, maybe just a few thousand dollars or tens of thousands. To draw a comparison to football betting which I'm familiar with. A million dollars punted on an EPL game only change the odds by a few cents. A million dollar in a Icelandic league game can drop the odds by a much bigger margin. For esports, I doubt the bookie will take 6 figure bets. What does this have to do with your initial post? There wasn't match fixing in the 2002 world cup. Now your posts are all over the place. No one is talking about fucking football in this thread except you. Your conspiracy is that koreans are going from game to game match fixing the outcome. Literally, "if koreans can match fix the 2002 world cup, this is nothing comparatively" | ||
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Nebuchad
Switzerland12534 Posts
On March 27 2015 00:57 maGicc wrote: Assumptions of 1 person based on absolutely nothing do not really count imo. I have no problem trusting Lichter, and he didn't just assume it, he got that info from a contact of his in KeSPA if I remember correctly. Anyway, I don't really want to get back into this. Please proceed with your conversation. | ||
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Samx
Singapore149 Posts
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Penev
28536 Posts
On March 27 2015 01:01 Samx wrote: Also it seems that a lot of fans here think pinnacle is some small dubious company that voids bets at their whims and fancy. It is patently not the case. They are one of if not the largest online sports betting company in the world. It is likely they handle bets amounting in the billions each year. They take these stuff very seriously. If they are going to void bets, they had better be damn sure about it. They risk losing customers and consumer confidence if they void bets without valid/strong grounds. The amount of money they lose to the possible fixer in this case is peanuts. It is a big deal if they decide to void bets. Most people know that too, there's just a very few who have too much difficulty swallowing this crap that is the blatant match fixing by MK | ||
argonautdice
Canada2722 Posts
On March 26 2015 23:41 maGicc wrote: Given that MVP twitter favorited this i'd say chances that their statement will actually be truthful are increasing : ![[image loading]](http://i.gyazo.com/ce8f828cb384882736c6b156f4668729.png) sorry but lol @ matchfixking prime | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 27 2015 00:57 maGicc wrote: Assumptions of 1 person based on absolutely nothing do not really count imo. We never had any real confirmations that "Kespa is aware and is doing something". We only had info that Pinnacle is willing to cooperate with Kespa and provide all the needed info. But as far as we can tell now, it was a one sided offer that Kespa just ignored. Please, lichter is as trustworthy about these kinds of things as Pinnacle is with suspicious bets. | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On March 27 2015 01:09 OtherWorld wrote: Please, lichter is as trustworthy about these kinds of things as Pinnacle is with suspicious bets. Tbh, Lichter just got told that they would investigate, that's it. I assume KeSPA didn't lie about that but still | ||
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Saechiis
Netherlands4989 Posts
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maGicc
Finland134 Posts
On March 27 2015 01:09 OtherWorld wrote: Please, lichter is as trustworthy about these kinds of things as Pinnacle is with suspicious bets. I am not really doubting that is trustworthy, more like doubting that he had any real "inside" info/confirmation from Kespa, apart from the some standard PR response. | ||
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NEEDZMOAR
Sweden1277 Posts
On March 27 2015 00:36 Boucot wrote: I know this is not the topic but this guy seems to be a reasonable person. ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Pi7rPKx.jpg) offtopic but this cryptocouch guy seem to deserve a witch-hunt if anyone... | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
Here's the Lichter post from the other thread On January 27 2015 13:40 lichter wrote: Let's not rush to conclusions. KeSPA are waiting on Pinnacle to provide them with data and information. KeSPA are aware of what happened and are looking into it. They don't want to make an announcement until they have enough information to make a meaningful one. That's as much as I can say. Just because they haven't announced to the public that something is being done doesn't mean they aren't doing anything. Unless his Kespa contact lied to him it's a promising sign they're investigating | ||
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Deathstar
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On March 27 2015 01:30 Deathstar wrote: Whoever is managing MVP's twitter should be re-examined. No clue why that idiot's tweet was favorited Haha no need for any more witch-hunts that is necessary mate :D | ||
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
On March 27 2015 01:30 Deathstar wrote: Whoever is managing MVP's twitter should be re-examined. No clue why that idiot's tweet was favorited Well yeah, and before that they retweeted this | ||
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
Thing is, I understand if Kespa wants to keep their investigation hush-hush until its finished, I just wish they would let us know that there IS an investigation at all, since many people are worried it's just being completely ignored. If there is matchfixing and revealing it means the end of pro SC2 in Korea as we know it, so be it. The game itself won't die, and it's better than having illegal bettors and match fixing running rampant. IMO Only other way out of this (again, assuming there actually is match fixing, if there isn't then that's just peachy), would be if Kespa forces all the match fixing players into early retirement without publicly admitting they were match fixing - ie clean up the scene under the table so hopefully the sponsors stick around. Players might go along with it because they don't want their public reputation tainted. | ||
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Penev
28536 Posts
On March 27 2015 01:49 Swoopae wrote: Pretty baffling thing to retweet it'd be like SKT tweeting 'lol dream got owned' about the SSL final vs Maru or whatever Yeah, maybe they already knew they're going to kick him of the team.. | ||
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Magggrig
56 Posts
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Swoopae
Australia339 Posts
At the end of the day what we all want is an acknowledgement that yes, Kespa is aware of this issue and plan to issue a statement at some point. | ||
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