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On March 27 2015 01:57 Swoopae wrote:
Good chance that the MVP twitter person speaks English as a 2nd language and just saw 'oh this tweet is by someone notable about one of our players' without realising that it portrays their player negatively but who knows
At the end of the day what we all want is an acknowledgement that yes, Kespa is aware of this issue and plan to issue a statement at some point.
He didn't see the red arrow, anything is possible I guess rofl
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On March 27 2015 02:02 Penev wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 01:57 Swoopae wrote:
Good chance that the MVP twitter person speaks English as a 2nd language and just saw 'oh this tweet is by someone notable about one of our players' without realising that it portrays their player negatively but who knows
At the end of the day what we all want is an acknowledgement that yes, Kespa is aware of this issue and plan to issue a statement at some point. He didn't see the red arrow, anything is possible I guess rofl
Mvp personel are known for missing red things in the corner of the screen
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On March 27 2015 02:09 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 02:02 Penev wrote:On March 27 2015 01:57 Swoopae wrote:
Good chance that the MVP twitter person speaks English as a 2nd language and just saw 'oh this tweet is by someone notable about one of our players' without realising that it portrays their player negatively but who knows
At the end of the day what we all want is an acknowledgement that yes, Kespa is aware of this issue and plan to issue a statement at some point. He didn't see the red arrow, anything is possible I guess rofl Mvp personel are known for missing red things in the corner of the screen
Hmm and a completed Spine Crawler has the shape of an arrow. We might be onto something here !
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On March 27 2015 02:11 OtherWorld wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 02:09 Slusher wrote:On March 27 2015 02:02 Penev wrote:On March 27 2015 01:57 Swoopae wrote:
Good chance that the MVP twitter person speaks English as a 2nd language and just saw 'oh this tweet is by someone notable about one of our players' without realising that it portrays their player negatively but who knows
At the end of the day what we all want is an acknowledgement that yes, Kespa is aware of this issue and plan to issue a statement at some point. He didn't see the red arrow, anything is possible I guess rofl Mvp personel are known for missing red things in the corner of the screen Hmm and a completed Spine Crawler has the shape of an arrow. We might be onto something here !
MarineKing confirmed Green Arrow
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http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=442&article_id=0000012362
Flash's interview after ssl season 2 preliminary
Q. 한지원과의 결승전이 아쉽지 않았는지?
정말 아쉽다. 어제 쉬는 날이라서 한지원 선수의 경기를 못 보는 바람에 조난지에서 한지원 선수의 전진 부화장 가시 촉수 러쉬에 당해서 졌다. 그 경기를 봤다면 그 전략에는 당하지 않았을 텐데 아쉽다. 다른 경기는 내가 전략을 쓰다가 막혀서 허무하게 졌다.
Q. How was the games against Byul?
I feel too bad. Yesterday was a holiday, so I didn't watch his game, so I lost to the proxy spin crawler rush on Expedition Lost. If I had watched, I wouldn't have been defeated in the same way. In another game, I used some strategy, and lost as it failed.
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On March 27 2015 02:29 egernya wrote:http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=442&article_id=0000012362Flash's interview after ssl season 2 preliminary Q. 한지원과의 결승전이 아쉽지 않았는지? 정말 아쉽다. 어제 쉬는 날이라서 한지원 선수의 경기를 못 보는 바람에 조난지에서 한지원 선수의 전진 부화장 가시 촉수 러쉬에 당해서 졌다. 그 경기를 봤다면 그 전략에는 당하지 않았을 텐데 아쉽다. 다른 경기는 내가 전략을 쓰다가 막혀서 허무하게 졌다. Q. How was the games against Byul? I feel too bad. Yesterday was a holiday, so I didn't watch his game, so I lost to the proxy spin crawler rush on Expedition Lost. If I had watched, I wouldn't have been defeated in the same way. In another game, I used some strategy, and lost as it failed.
Wtf I wanna see how he lost to this. (and rolf at "I used some strategy")
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On March 27 2015 02:29 egernya wrote:http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=442&article_id=0000012362Flash's interview after ssl season 2 preliminary Q. 한지원과의 결승전이 아쉽지 않았는지? 정말 아쉽다. 어제 쉬는 날이라서 한지원 선수의 경기를 못 보는 바람에 조난지에서 한지원 선수의 전진 부화장 가시 촉수 러쉬에 당해서 졌다. 그 경기를 봤다면 그 전략에는 당하지 않았을 텐데 아쉽다. 다른 경기는 내가 전략을 쓰다가 막혀서 허무하게 졌다. Q. How was the games against Byul? I feel too bad. Yesterday was a holiday, so I didn't watch his game, so I lost to the proxy spin crawler rush on Expedition Lost. If I had watched, I wouldn't have been defeated in the same way. In another game, I used some strategy, and lost as it failed.
must be matchfixing. Only explanation to lose to a rush that has been played before they told me. 
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On March 27 2015 02:31 OtherWorld wrote:Wtf I wanna see how he lost to this. (and rolf at "I used some strategy")
CC first with late scout and not enough units probably? I dunno. "I used some strategy, and lost as it failed." = some weird all-in build, right?
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On March 27 2015 02:29 egernya wrote:http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=442&article_id=0000012362Flash's interview after ssl season 2 preliminary Q. 한지원과의 결승전이 아쉽지 않았는지? 정말 아쉽다. 어제 쉬는 날이라서 한지원 선수의 경기를 못 보는 바람에 조난지에서 한지원 선수의 전진 부화장 가시 촉수 러쉬에 당해서 졌다. 그 경기를 봤다면 그 전략에는 당하지 않았을 텐데 아쉽다. 다른 경기는 내가 전략을 쓰다가 막혀서 허무하게 졌다. Q. How was the games against Byul? I feel too bad. Yesterday was a holiday, so I didn't watch his game, so I lost to the proxy spin crawler rush on Expedition Lost. If I had watched, I wouldn't have been defeated in the same way. In another game, I used some strategy, and lost as it failed.
This is hilarious. Are there any vods of these preliminaries?
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On March 27 2015 02:36 Elentos wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 02:31 OtherWorld wrote:On March 27 2015 02:29 egernya wrote:http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=442&article_id=0000012362Flash's interview after ssl season 2 preliminary Q. 한지원과의 결승전이 아쉽지 않았는지? 정말 아쉽다. 어제 쉬는 날이라서 한지원 선수의 경기를 못 보는 바람에 조난지에서 한지원 선수의 전진 부화장 가시 촉수 러쉬에 당해서 졌다. 그 경기를 봤다면 그 전략에는 당하지 않았을 텐데 아쉽다. 다른 경기는 내가 전략을 쓰다가 막혀서 허무하게 졌다. Q. How was the games against Byul? I feel too bad. Yesterday was a holiday, so I didn't watch his game, so I lost to the proxy spin crawler rush on Expedition Lost. If I had watched, I wouldn't have been defeated in the same way. In another game, I used some strategy, and lost as it failed. Wtf I wanna see how he lost to this. (and rolf at "I used some strategy") CC first with late scout and not enough units probably? I dunno. "I used some strategy, and lost as it failed." = some weird all-in build, right?
Yes, usually "strategy builds" are all non-standard builds, basically :D. Probably not necessary all-in, but most of the time they're the weird cheeses and proxies and all-ins, yes.
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On March 27 2015 02:34 Big J wrote:must be matchfixing. Only explanation to lose to a rush that has been played before they told me.
Cmon you are better than that.
Nobody said you only can lose to this build when you fix the match.
Flash's statement alone means nothing cause we didn't see the game.
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On March 27 2015 02:38 Penev wrote:This is hilarious. Are there any vods of these preliminaries?
They didn't stream any Flash games. We got Zoun instead.
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On March 27 2015 02:40 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 02:34 Big J wrote:On March 27 2015 02:29 egernya wrote:http://sports.news.naver.com/sports/index.nhn?category=e_sports&ctg=news&mod=read&office_id=442&article_id=0000012362Flash's interview after ssl season 2 preliminary Q. 한지원과의 결승전이 아쉽지 않았는지? 정말 아쉽다. 어제 쉬는 날이라서 한지원 선수의 경기를 못 보는 바람에 조난지에서 한지원 선수의 전진 부화장 가시 촉수 러쉬에 당해서 졌다. 그 경기를 봤다면 그 전략에는 당하지 않았을 텐데 아쉽다. 다른 경기는 내가 전략을 쓰다가 막혀서 허무하게 졌다. Q. How was the games against Byul? I feel too bad. Yesterday was a holiday, so I didn't watch his game, so I lost to the proxy spin crawler rush on Expedition Lost. If I had watched, I wouldn't have been defeated in the same way. In another game, I used some strategy, and lost as it failed. must be matchfixing. Only explanation to lose to a rush that has been played before they told me. Cmon you are better than that. Nobody said you only can lose to this build when you fix the match. Flash's statement alone means nothing cause we didn't see the game.
I'm mainly trolling, but there was e.g. this comment after I wrote that maybe MK didn't check the backdoor because he didn't know the build existed.
Watch the cast again, it's not a one-off cheese. It's a cheese that Symbol tried on the same map in a televised game. That's now going to be on the radar of any pro who's preparing to play a Bo1 on this map basically until the map is out of the pool.
And now Flash says he lost to the build today because he didn't have it on the radar. Even after all the scandal around it he didn't know...
Like others have already said, the game looks fishy in the context of the betting. But some of the conclusions drawn can have very simple other explanations.
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Aah, too bad. Strange btw that Flash didn't watch the Byul game because of a day of, seems very, well, unprofessional if you ask me..
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On March 27 2015 02:48 Big J wrote:And now Flash says he lost to the build today because he didn't have it on the radar. Even after all the scandal around it he didn't know... Like others have already said, the game looks fishy in the context of the betting. But some of the conclusions drawn can have very simple other explanations.
So you can explain it with a simpler explanation than it was match fixing?
That was the whole point I was making earlier. We all have the information from the OP and the no one has any advantage in predictive power, so the explanation that makes the least assumptions (relies the most on the facts) is that the match was fixed.
Otherwise you go into crazy stories (assuming) and reasoning about why MK did what he did, and why the betting lines were such. And those assumptions could just as easily be turned around, which is why at the moment, we should on the facts as much as possible.
And you can't separate the betting lines from what happened, which is what you've been trying to do in this thread. They both happened and are correlated, you're taking the situation out of context when you separate them.
So please, where is that simple explanation for everything that happened?
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On March 27 2015 02:58 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 02:48 Big J wrote:And now Flash says he lost to the build today because he didn't have it on the radar. Even after all the scandal around it he didn't know... Like others have already said, the game looks fishy in the context of the betting. But some of the conclusions drawn can have very simple other explanations. So you can explain it with a simpler explanation than it was match fixing? That was the whole point I was making earlier. We all have the information from the OP and the no one has any advantage in predictive power, so the explanation that makes the least assumptions (relies the most on the facts) is that the match was fixed. Otherwise you go into crazy stories (assuming) and reasoning about why MK did what he did, and why the betting lines were such. And you can't separate the betting lines from what happened, which is what you've been trying to do in this thread. They both happened and are correlated, you're taking the situation out of context when you separate them. So please, where is that simple explanation for everything that happened?
Given the ratio of fixed matches to badly played matches, badly played is the simplest explanation.
With the betting stuff it may be not, but you know, if you dont have enough information it is often better to not decide upon what you want to believe until you know more.
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Your argument is tautologic. The betting line and MKPs play are only related if he was match fixing, you can't presume that they're related if that's what you're arguing for.
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On March 27 2015 02:58 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 02:48 Big J wrote:And now Flash says he lost to the build today because he didn't have it on the radar. Even after all the scandal around it he didn't know... Like others have already said, the game looks fishy in the context of the betting. But some of the conclusions drawn can have very simple other explanations. So you can explain it with a simpler explanation than it was match fixing? That was the whole point I was making earlier. We all have the information from the OP and the no one has any advantage in predictive power, so the explanation that makes the least assumptions (relies the most on the facts) is that the match was fixed. Otherwise you go into crazy stories (assuming) and reasoning about why MK did what he did, and why the betting lines were such. And those assumptions could just as easily be turned around, which is why at the moment, we should on the facts as much as possible. And you can't separate the betting lines from what happened, which is what you've been trying to do in this thread. They both happened and are correlated, you're taking the situation out of context when you separate them. So please, where is that simple explanation for everything that happened?
Your argument is tautologic. The betting line and MKPs play are only related if he was match fixing, you can't presume that they're related if that's what you're arguing for.
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On March 27 2015 03:07 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 02:58 BronzeKnee wrote:On March 27 2015 02:48 Big J wrote:And now Flash says he lost to the build today because he didn't have it on the radar. Even after all the scandal around it he didn't know... Like others have already said, the game looks fishy in the context of the betting. But some of the conclusions drawn can have very simple other explanations. So you can explain it with a simpler explanation than it was match fixing? That was the whole point I was making earlier. We all have the information from the OP and the no one has any advantage in predictive power, so the explanation that makes the least assumptions (relies the most on the facts) is that the match was fixed. Otherwise you go into crazy stories (assuming) and reasoning about why MK did what he did, and why the betting lines were such. And you can't separate the betting lines from what happened, which is what you've been trying to do in this thread. They both happened and are correlated, you're taking the situation out of context when you separate them. So please, where is that simple explanation for everything that happened? Given the ratio of fixed matches to badly played matches, badly played is the simplest explanation. With the betting stuff it may be not, but you know, if you dont have enough information it is often better to not decide upon what you want to believe until you know more.
Basically you said that people play poorly sometimes and that is the simplest explanation, which raises the obvious question, how did someone know MK was going to play that poorly? And how did they know Byul wasn't going to play as poorly?
And so why then did Pinnacle cancel the action?
On March 27 2015 03:07 blackone wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 02:58 BronzeKnee wrote:On March 27 2015 02:48 Big J wrote:And now Flash says he lost to the build today because he didn't have it on the radar. Even after all the scandal around it he didn't know... Like others have already said, the game looks fishy in the context of the betting. But some of the conclusions drawn can have very simple other explanations. So you can explain it with a simpler explanation than it was match fixing? That was the whole point I was making earlier. We all have the information from the OP and the no one has any advantage in predictive power, so the explanation that makes the least assumptions (relies the most on the facts) is that the match was fixed. Otherwise you go into crazy stories (assuming) and reasoning about why MK did what he did, and why the betting lines were such. And those assumptions could just as easily be turned around, which is why at the moment, we should on the facts as much as possible. And you can't separate the betting lines from what happened, which is what you've been trying to do in this thread. They both happened and are correlated, you're taking the situation out of context when you separate them. So please, where is that simple explanation for everything that happened? Your argument is tautologic. The betting line and MKPs play are only related if he was match fixing, you can't presume that they're related if that's what you're arguing for.
Both things happened, because they did. Now explain them.
You can explain them separately, but if you have understanding of betting, then you'll realize that betting line is ludicrous. Its isn't explainable as "well sometimes betting lines are skewed." The simplest explanation for a betting line like that, based on previous betting lines that were ridiculous, is that the match was fixed.
And that is where your explanation isn't simple anymore.
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On March 27 2015 02:58 BronzeKnee wrote:Show nested quote +On March 27 2015 02:48 Big J wrote:And now Flash says he lost to the build today because he didn't have it on the radar. Even after all the scandal around it he didn't know... Like others have already said, the game looks fishy in the context of the betting. But some of the conclusions drawn can have very simple other explanations. So you can explain it with a simpler explanation than it was match fixing? That was the whole point I was making earlier. We all have the information from the OP and the no one has any advantage in predictive power, so the explanation that makes the least assumptions (relies the most on the facts) is that the match was fixed. Otherwise you go into crazy stories (assuming) and reasoning about why MK did what he did, and why the betting lines were such. And those assumptions could just as easily be turned around, which is why at the moment, we should on the facts as much as possible. And you can't separate the betting lines from what happened, which is what you've been trying to do in this thread. They both happened and are correlated, you're taking the situation out of context when you separate them. So please, where is that simple explanation for everything that happened?
The simple explanation is right here: the match was fixed.
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