Exclusive: Pinnacle Interview on San/Dark - Page 7

On January 23 2015 15:48 pure.Wasted wrote:


Nobody wants to bury anything, and you can rest assured that people are paying very keen attention to this thing as it develops. Some of us are simply very aware of the negative repercussions that a scandal could have on a player's career regardless of their actual involvement, and we would rather the speculating was left to the professionals. I think the only thing we have the power to do in this situation is turn foreign public sentiment for or against a player... although with Koreans being booted out of Europe, that might not mean much. If Korean sentiment (which we have zero access to or control over) turns sour, there's not going to be any "MMA flees to Europe" type saving moves.

On January 24 2015 05:04 ZeromuS wrote:


Yeah. We saying "nothing is wrong" has no direct implications on a person. Claiming a person is match fixing can have an impact on them directly and immediately. Its also unfounded with no direct evidence, so we need to choose which side of the coin to moderate and we chose the latter.

KeSpa will act eventually I am sure, but only if they have to deal with it. I don't think this is big news in Korea atm so KeSpa has no PR to deal with and might not even know shit is going down. At the time of the interview, Pinnacle was willing to work with KeSpa if approached. Considering the latest bet voiding I am not sure if Pinnacle will get involved of their own accord or not.

On January 23 2015 15:33 lichter wrote:


Pinnacle obviously did the right thing, but constantly repeating that "Kespa is doing nothing" is foolish. We don't know if they are investigating or not. We'll try to find out, but to suggest some large scale fixing because they haven't made an announcement is crazy.

Any accusations from this point forward that Pinnacle isn't legitimate or attempted to scam people, or that Kespa is involved in matchfixing will be moderated SEVERELY.

On January 26 2015 23:00 opisska wrote:


I just don't understand this mentality of rectal mountaineering with respect to Pinnacle. Some company comes out of nowhere and significantly endangers the careers of people they don't even know, while endlessly repeating how they can't tell us anything, because it's so fucking important that their super-intelligent fraud-fighting soon-to-be-Skynet remains obfuscated. I am sorry, but the only thing Pinnacle deserves from the SC2 community at the moment, is shit. They have shown very clearly that their business is for them much more important than lives of real people that may not even have ever heard about their company, so how exactly did they earn out respect?

They are a fucking betting company, that means that if anybody knows what effect their "actions based on suspicions" have on the people involved, it's them. Yet they go through with it without willing to show their hands. If they are not willing to play this openly, they should have just kept their mouth shut, pay out the money as usual and only then come back when there is solid evidence of manipulation, reimburse those who lost on the unfair bet out of their pockets and go after the scammers in court to possibly get their money back. After all, these sums are apparently peanuts for them.

On January 27 2015 00:27 showstealer1829 wrote:
I think like all good stories of this type, numbers never lie but they can deceive. Pinnacle is totally in the right to at least raise the flag here, it's up to KeSPA to see if there is a real fire or not. It's likely that it's nothing but considering the Brood War debacle its better to be safe than sorry

On January 26 2015 23:54 icydergosu wrote:
I fully agree with opisska as well.

Some people threw out numbers in regards to how much money was required to move the line that much.
Since Pinnacle did not release the records of bets being placed these numbers were pulled straight out of their asses

On January 27 2015 23:32 Karel wrote:


I think this statement is a bit disrespectfull, considering that
- the people you target are the very people who tried in this thread to provide analysis with far more details and far less simplification than most of other "contributors", and specially the dozens of fanboys who came in with an incredible amount of hatred against the unbelievers.
- the numbers you claim are pulled out of their ass where specifically given as a rough estimation, which are quite likely to be accurate for that purpose (re-read the very detailed explanations in the thread if you won't to find out why, or felle free to challenge those explanations if you can).

Regarding the attitude of Pinnacle, I can understand why it seems very rough to the players (because obviously they are, now, guilty or not, on the short side of the stick), but you have to consider the implications of playing the "business as usual" card until they collect convincing evidence, which could never happen, match-fixing or not.
They would have to take the money of the loosing bettors, while suspecting they were robbed. What do you think would have happen two months later, when they disclose the whole deal. Or maybe they should have payed the winning bettors, and refund the loosers in the meantime? Why not hold a big sign "scam me plz"?

To be clear, I think it would be for the better for sc2 if betting was not allowed. But since it's not the case, Pinnacle is running a legitimate business: it's prefectly legitimate for them to protect their turf, in particular if they can do so without accusing anybody in particular.
If the reputation of San is tarnished by their very cautious statement, it's not because they were too quick, but because for a lot of people (like me), the match-fixing theory seems the most likely, among "misclick of a very rich guy" or "some insider knew better than San and his coach how badly he was injured". Maybe I'm too quick to point fingers, feel free to think so, but Minnacle certainly is not, because they didn't point fingers in the first place, but protect their customers, period.

PS: in a sharp contrast, you know did not protect their customers in the slightest as of now? Yeah, the association which is suppose to defend the players and the pro-teams...