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Killscreen
188 Posts
I said vocal minority, not majority. Afaik, no one in this thread has claimed these people represented the majority of the community. To me, Scarletts popularity is a shining example of how the gaming community by and large are accepting of all people regardless of gender, race and orientation, and disproves any kind of pervasive misogynist culture that needs to be eradicated. | ||
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Stijn
Netherlands363 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On November 18 2014 00:54 Stijn wrote: Well, a lot of people find it strange that I'm on first-name basis with my parents. It says something about your upbringing and family dynamics I suppose, so I think it makes sense to put that in if you're trying to sketch a background. My mother would smack me if I called her by her first name, so it seems very weird to me. | ||
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Stijn
Netherlands363 Posts
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On November 18 2014 00:50 vult wrote: That second paragraph is kind of poorly written and off-topic. Sure, shedding light on what her family does is cool, but having 10+ lines telling what her parents and brother do, especially the line "they prefer to call their parents Rob and Joyce," seems kind of unnecessary. The New Yorker is strange, though, so I understand why it's there. Grats to Scarlett on the publicity. Actually I think it gives perspective on the person that you wouldn't otherwise have. I like how the article details some of her family's personal time (making Fajitas, gaming together, etc.). It's very humanizing. I thought the article was well written. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 18 2014 00:26 Killscreen wrote: My issue with that is that SC is framed as an exception that proves the rule. Why isn't the allegedly sexist fighting game community the exception that proves the rule? We are definitely in the wrong thread for this kind of discussion. Neither this thread nor the article is about sexism in gamer communities. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On November 17 2014 19:27 lichter wrote: Khaldor and Wolf often gave shoutouts during Code A. those were the days. | ||
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DinoMight
United States3725 Posts
On November 18 2014 00:53 Killscreen wrote: Ah, the good old ad hominem. Why do you people always get angry when I disagree with you? I haven't said anything that reasonably should offend you. I said vocal minority, not majority. Afaik, no one in this thread has claimed these people represented the majority of the community. To me, Scarletts popularity is a shining example of how the gaming community by and large are accepting of all people regardless of gender, race and orientation, and disproves any kind of pervasive misogynist culture that needs to be eradicated. You are wrong and let me show you why: If the gaming community was by and large accepting of all people regardless of gender, race, and orientation, as you mentioned, then Scarlett's popularity would not be a shining example of anything. Scarlett is an amazingly talented foreign player. She's on a level far higher than many Koreans even, and is capable of bringing down giants like Bomber, MC and PartinG. It's natural that she be a well liked well accepted player - she deserves it. Rather, the fact that you believe that her success is an example of how the gaming community accepts trans-gendered people simply highlights your own bigotry. The fact is she has not had the easiest of times. Her skill is much greater than she received credit for - for a long time... Please can we not let one guy hijack this thread? I know I'm partially to blame for continuing to engage him... | ||
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Doublemint
Austria8639 Posts
On November 18 2014 01:18 DinoMight wrote: Actually I think it gives perspective on the person that you wouldn't otherwise have. I like how the article details some of her family's personal time (making Fajitas, gaming together, etc.). It's very humanizing. I thought the article was well written. it's not just any publication... you don't just get to write something for the new yorker. of course it's damn well written. halfway through and and it's great to be honest. | ||
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Killscreen
188 Posts
It's a shining example because the gaming community is under attack for being sexist. | ||
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awesomoecalypse
United States2235 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On November 18 2014 01:45 awesomoecalypse wrote: There's a good reason The New Yorker is considered the gold standard for longform journalism. They really dive into their stories like no one else and manage to consistently get me engaged and interested in topics I normally never think about. In this case, the author (who is obviously a newcomer to e-sports) manages to do a better job of explaining the scene than a lot of "gaming journalists" can do despite following it closely for years. Great article. Very true. I had a good laugh at his bafflement at things like "gas pool". you never really think about how odd all the terminology we use sounds to a complete outsider, and how difficult it can be to follow what's really happening. | ||
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johnbongham
451 Posts
On November 18 2014 01:23 DinoMight wrote: You are wrong and let me show you why: If the gaming community was by and large accepting of all people regardless of gender, race, and orientation, as you mentioned, then Scarlett's popularity would not be a shining example of anything. Scarlett is an amazingly talented foreign player. She's on a level far higher than many Koreans even, and is capable of bringing down giants like Bomber, MC and PartinG. It's natural that she be a well liked well accepted player - she deserves it. Rather, the fact that you believe that her success is an example of how the gaming community accepts trans-gendered people simply highlights your own bigotry. The fact is she has not had the easiest of times. Her skill is much greater than she received credit for - for a long time... Please can we not let one guy hijack this thread? I know I'm partially to blame for continuing to engage him... Do you not know the meaning of the word bigotry? | ||
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-Genome-
Australia156 Posts
Beyond that, the guy is just a great writer. Dat vocab. | ||
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RuiBarbO
United States1340 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + On November 18 2014 01:23 DinoMight wrote: You are wrong and let me show you why: If the gaming community was by and large accepting of all people regardless of gender, race, and orientation, as you mentioned, then Scarlett's popularity would not be a shining example of anything. Scarlett is an amazingly talented foreign player. She's on a level far higher than many Koreans even, and is capable of bringing down giants like Bomber, MC and PartinG. It's natural that she be a well liked well accepted player - she deserves it. Rather, the fact that you believe that her success is an example of how the gaming community accepts trans-gendered people simply highlights your own bigotry. The fact is she has not had the easiest of times. Her skill is much greater than she received credit for - for a long time... Please can we not let one guy hijack this thread? I know I'm partially to blame for continuing to engage him... On November 18 2014 01:35 Killscreen wrote: You'll have to explain how that makes me bigoted. I stated earlier that she has earned her popularity. It's a shining example because the gaming community is under attack for being sexist. I wouldn't say that the gaming community is "by and large accepting of all people." It may be a vocal minority that is actively racist/sexist, or it may be the majority, but regardless, the people who have the power to most effectively speak out against that kind of behavior almost never do. Scarlett's success doesn't change that fact. | ||
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Killscreen
188 Posts
On November 18 2014 01:58 RuiBarbO wrote: Really well-written article, and I am very impressed by the author's range of esports knowledge given how recently he discovered the scene. His explanation of esports for outsiders is also really well done, he hits all the important points and communicates the significance without getting bogged down in trying to summarize all the different rules and strategies. Also, given his frequent of use of Starcraft and Dota 2 examples over League of Legends, I get the feeling that he visits TL quite a bit. + Show Spoiler + On November 18 2014 01:23 DinoMight wrote: You are wrong and let me show you why: If the gaming community was by and large accepting of all people regardless of gender, race, and orientation, as you mentioned, then Scarlett's popularity would not be a shining example of anything. Scarlett is an amazingly talented foreign player. She's on a level far higher than many Koreans even, and is capable of bringing down giants like Bomber, MC and PartinG. It's natural that she be a well liked well accepted player - she deserves it. Rather, the fact that you believe that her success is an example of how the gaming community accepts trans-gendered people simply highlights your own bigotry. The fact is she has not had the easiest of times. Her skill is much greater than she received credit for - for a long time... Please can we not let one guy hijack this thread? I know I'm partially to blame for continuing to engage him... On November 18 2014 01:35 Killscreen wrote: You'll have to explain how that makes me bigoted. I stated earlier that she has earned her popularity. It's a shining example because the gaming community is under attack for being sexist. I wouldn't say that the gaming community is "by and large accepting of all people." It may be a vocal minority that is actively racist/sexist, or it may be the majority, but regardless, the people who have the power to most effectively speak out against that kind of behavior almost never do. Scarlett's success doesn't change that fact. Mods were apparently pretty swift with their ban hammers here, and someone said the reddit posts were heavily downmodded, so there is that. In my experience the community has been rather swift in denouncing behavior like that. Yet this meme of "sexists neckbeard virgins" persists. | ||
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Conti
Germany2516 Posts
On November 18 2014 02:07 Killscreen wrote: Mods were apparently pretty swift with their ban hammers here, and someone said the reddit posts were heavily downmodded, so there is that. In my experience the community has been rather swift in denouncing behavior like that. Yet this meme of "sexists neckbeard virgins" persists. Your argument is all fine and dandy, but it has less and less to do with the article this thread is about. This is not a gamergate thread, and it should not become one. | ||
Zealously
East Gorteau22261 Posts
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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On November 18 2014 02:19 Zealously wrote: The Gamergate discussion stops now. Thank god. | ||
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ZlyKiss
Poland697 Posts
thx to Scarlett for this chance to know her little better | ||
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