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The New Yorker profiles Scarlett

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UberDrive
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States144 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 07:30:06
November 17 2014 07:21 GMT
#1
This is pretty huge.
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/24/good-game

Some quotes from the article:

StarCraft, a video game, is often compared to chess: it is strategic and extremely difficult, requiring a mathematical cast of mind, and, unlike many other video games, with their scrolling or first-person vantages, it affords a bird’s-eye perspective of the board, or map. But the analogy breaks down in countless ways. The map changes from game to game. (In this instance, it was called Habitation Station, and shaped somewhat like a butterfly.) Instead of black or white, players choose from among three “races,” called Zerg, Terran, and Protoss, with different strengths and vulnerabilities. In the early stages, players cannot see one another’s armies, and must dispatch scouts to illuminate darkened corners; they must also develop economies, with which to fund the inevitable battles. It’s as if Garry Kasparov had to plot a pawnless endgame while simultaneously harvesting minerals, building fuel extractors, and searching in vain for Spassky’s queen. Academic researchers now use StarCraft II—the “drosophila” of brain science, as one paper suggested—when studying people who expertly perform cognitively complex tasks. Chess may soon be eclipsed as the standard-bearer of competitive I.Q.


Kingston, a city of a hundred and twenty thousand, is where Sasha Hostyn, a.k.a. Scarlett, grew up. Her father, Rob Harrap, is a geology professor at Queen’s University; her mother, Joyce Hostyn, a committed Xeriscapist, has worked in public radio, politics, and software design. Sasha is now twenty. She and her older brother, Sean, who is twenty-two and studying math and computer science, refer to their parents as Rob and Joyce. It’s a progressive family in a number of ways. Sasha uses her mother’s last name; Sean uses his father’s. Rob and Joyce practiced what they call “unbundled parenting,” with respect to their children’s education, beginning at the age of twelve. “You treat kids like infants all their lives, and then one day, when they turn eighteen, you expect them to leave the house and act like adults?” Rob said. “That doesn’t make any sense.” He said that he’d never seen Sasha’s high-school transcript and, therefore, could only guess about her best subjects. Joyce told me that last year, when Sasha was nineteen and already the most highly regarded StarCraft II player in North America, she mentioned, in passing, that one of her teachers in junior high had recommended that she get involved in extracurricular math competitions. It was the first Joyce had heard of it.


Before Scarlett, the most prominent foreigner was a left-handed Swede named Johan (Naniwa) Lucchesi, a brilliant but hotheaded player, who had a reputation for lashing out at fans and tournament organizers, and for showing emotion onstage, before and after matches. Some fans coined the term “Naniwalk” to describe his slightly goofy swagger. Korean players, Day9 told me, used to “view it as a badge of honor to eliminate Naniwa, because he was so disrespectful.”


The article is rather long and includes quotes from the likes of Scarlett, Day[9], Smix, and others.
hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
November 17 2014 07:28 GMT
#2
Holy crap! Good find, mate!
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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 17 2014 07:30 GMT
#3
I've improved your OP. Please include more information next time. Thanks.
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TelecoM
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States10861 Posts
November 17 2014 07:30 GMT
#4
wow nice
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DinosaurJones
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1000 Posts
November 17 2014 07:34 GMT
#5
Damn, this is a huge article. I haven`t read the entire thing yet, but I think it is very well-written. There`s so much information here about Scarlett, but also the SC2 scene as a whole.

I haven`t seen anything that would paint the community in a negative light that isn`t true. Things such as the toxicity of Twitch chat are mentioned, but let`s be honest here... twitch chat is pretty gruesome.
lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 17 2014 07:58 GMT
#6
It's a good article but it meanders quite a bit. But since it's a mainstream article, all the exposition is necessary. Thumbs up.
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hansonslee
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States2027 Posts
November 17 2014 07:59 GMT
#7
On November 17 2014 16:58 lichter wrote:
It's a good article but it meanders quite a bit. But since it's a mainstream article, all the exposition is necessary. Thumbs up.


You're not a New Yorker regular, aren't ya? ;P
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Quincel
Profile Joined August 2012
119 Posts
November 17 2014 08:02 GMT
#8
Excellent article. Humanises the players brilliantly, frames SC2 and gives just enough explanation to show how e-sports work to the layperson. Got a newfound (even more) respect for Scarlett now, too. Shame she doesn't like her nickname. It's true that it's rather obvious and slightly tokenistic, but it fits well. Wonder if we can think of a new one? Hmm...
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 08:07:24
November 17 2014 08:06 GMT
#9
It's a good article, very well written, I skipped over the parts explaining the games obviously because I didn't need them but what I did read of it was great. It's kind of amazing how much young Scarlett reminds me of a young me, but she's a lot smarter and more determined and far more successful for it. A good chunk of this really hit home for me, somewhat similar struggles I'd say but she's done a lot better in dealing with them. Damn it if it isn't just a little bit of a reality check for me.

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lichter
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
November 17 2014 08:14 GMT
#10
On November 17 2014 17:02 Quincel wrote:
Shame she doesn't like her nickname. It's true that it's rather obvious and slightly tokenistic, but it fits well. Wonder if we can think of a new one? Hmm...


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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 17 2014 08:27 GMT
#11
On November 17 2014 17:14 lichter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 17:02 Quincel wrote:
Shame she doesn't like her nickname. It's true that it's rather obvious and slightly tokenistic, but it fits well. Wonder if we can think of a new one? Hmm...


templar's best friend


He wishes, even if he'll never admit it.
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Fuchsteufelswild
Profile Joined October 2009
Australia2028 Posts
November 17 2014 09:02 GMT
#12
Good article, seems like great exposure for the scene. Non-judgemental.

Oh, well I don't even like Sarah Kerrigan as a character and Queen of Blades is a pretty lame and obvious name to choose JUST because she's female and zerg, so I'm not surprised Scarlett doesn't like it.
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TRaFFiC
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada1448 Posts
November 17 2014 09:08 GMT
#13
This was the best article I`ve ever read from an outsider`s perspective.

My favorite parts: "the unwritten etiquette of cheesing is complicated. Do it too often, and not only will its efficacy diminish but you’ll be seen as annoying—disrespectful, even, if your over-all skill is of a lower calibre. It’s like the Picasso rule of painting: you have to know the basics before you can abandon them."

" “And if I cared I could’ve probably just killed it with my workers, but I didn’t.” She wasn’t interested in winning quickly. Her troubles against Terran had been occurring in the middle to late ranges of games."

Could've done without:

"Bakhtanians replied, “You can’t, because they’re one and the same thing. This is a community that’s, you know, fifteen or twenty years old, and the sexual harassment is part of a culture, and if you remove that from the fighting-game community it’s not the fighting-game community—it’s StarCraft.” "
2v2, 1v1, Zerg, Terran http://www.twitch.tv/trafficsc2
BisuDagger
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Bisutopia19386 Posts
November 17 2014 09:09 GMT
#14
What an incredible article. That writer did such a thorough job. And now I love Scarlett even more!
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 17 2014 09:37 GMT
#15
On November 17 2014 18:09 BisuDagger wrote:
What an incredible article. That writer did such a thorough job. And now I love Scarlett even more!


Ya, it's really good. Kind of makes me feel bad for giving up on her as a fan ?(
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Stijn
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands363 Posts
November 17 2014 09:40 GMT
#16
On November 17 2014 18:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 18:09 BisuDagger wrote:
What an incredible article. That writer did such a thorough job. And now I love Scarlett even more!


Ya, it's really good. Kind of makes me feel bad for giving up on her as a fan ?(

Might want to change your signature then
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 17 2014 09:42 GMT
#17
On November 17 2014 18:40 Stijn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2014 18:37 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 17 2014 18:09 BisuDagger wrote:
What an incredible article. That writer did such a thorough job. And now I love Scarlett even more!


Ya, it's really good. Kind of makes me feel bad for giving up on her as a fan ?(

Might want to change your signature then


I lost a bet, I didn't decide it and can't change it lol
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Killscreen
Profile Joined February 2012
188 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 09:51:32
November 17 2014 09:48 GMT
#18
I resent this gamergate fallacy being perpetuated.

Hordes of angry young men turned their pitchforks on women (and feminist supporters) throughout the gaming industry

Did they? Did they really?
The SC2 community has practically bent over backwards to welcome to Scarlett and make her feel welcome, and yet the article frames it as anything but. Personally, I find it interesting that the only really good female player is a transgender woman, and would like to discuss this as gender roles interest me, but any such discussion is implicitly verboten in the community, because the consensus is that Scarlett would not like it, and we have to respect that. No other player gets any such consideration.

For the record I have nothing against her. This isn't her fault ( although her support would be appreciated and valuable ). I just do not agree with the meme of gamers as angry frustrated men, and I think Scarletts acceptance in the community nicely illustrates this. It's a shame the article doesn't highlight this and instead focuses on perpetuating a bigoted myth.
Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 09:52:53
November 17 2014 09:49 GMT
#19
My favorite part, hands down:

In July, ESPN2 aired a half-hour program previewing an annual tournament for a game called Defense of the Ancients 2, or Dota 2, thereby enraging football and basketball fans who would have preferred round-the-clock speculation about off-season roster moves, and who vented on Twitter: “None of these people are anywhere near athletic,” “Wtf man. This is our society now,” “WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING ON ESPN2?,” and so on. Meanwhile, the winners of the Dota 2 tournament took home a total of five million dollars.


By the way,

On November 17 2014 18:48 Killscreen wrote:
Did they? Did they really?
The SC2 community has practically bent over backwards to welcome to Scarlett and make her feel welcome, and yet the article frames it as it as anything but. Personally, I find it interesting that the only really good female player is a transgender woman, and would like to discuss this as gender roles interest me, but any such discussion is implicitly verboten in the community, because the consensus is that Scarlett would not like it, and we have to respect that. No other player gets any such consideration.


You must have missed that huge wave of bans on teamliquid when Scarlett made her breakout. Don't pretend the problem isn't here.
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Ragnarork
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 09:52:39
November 17 2014 09:52 GMT
#20
Double post, duh.
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