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On November 17 2014 18:48 Killscreen wrote:I resent this gamergate fallacy being perpetuated. Show nested quote +
Hordes of angry young men turned their pitchforks on women (and feminist supporters) throughout the gaming industry
Did they? Did they really? The SC2 community has practically bent over backwards to welcome to Scarlett and make her feel welcome, and yet the article frames it as anything but. Personally, I find it interesting that the only really good female player is a transgender woman, and would like to discuss this as gender roles interest me, but any such discussion is implicitly verboten in the community, because the consensus is that Scarlett would not like it, and we have to respect that. No other player gets any such consideration.
Well, no other (prominent) player is comparable to Scarlett in that regard. So that's not an especially useful comparison.
I agree with you that the climate around the issue is pretty mild nowadays, but for the longest time any reddit/teamliquid thread or twitch chat remotely connected to Scarlett was full of bigotry and hurtful remarks. With that in mind, "the community practically bent over backwards to welcome Scarlett" doesn't really ring true with me.
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On November 17 2014 18:49 Ragnarork wrote:My favorite part, hands down: Show nested quote + In July, ESPN2 aired a half-hour program previewing an annual tournament for a game called Defense of the Ancients 2, or Dota 2, thereby enraging football and basketball fans who would have preferred round-the-clock speculation about off-season roster moves, and who vented on Twitter: “None of these people are anywhere near athletic,” “Wtf man. This is our society now,” “WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING ON ESPN2?,” and so on. Meanwhile, the winners of the Dota 2 tournament took home a total of five million dollars. By the way, Show nested quote +On November 17 2014 18:48 Killscreen wrote:
Did they? Did they really?
The SC2 community has practically bent over backwards to welcome to Scarlett and make her feel welcome, and yet the article frames it as it as anything but. Personally, I find it interesting that the only really good female player is a transgender woman, and would like to discuss this as gender roles interest me, but any such discussion is implicitly verboten in the community, because the consensus is that Scarlett would not like it, and we have to respect that. No other player gets any such consideration.
You must have missed that huge wave of bans on teamliquid when Scarlett made her breakout. Don't pretend the problem isn't here.
Yeah, I must have. Link(s)?
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On November 17 2014 16:58 lichter wrote:
It's a good article but it meanders quite a bit. But since it's a mainstream article, all the exposition is necessary. Thumbs up.
meander is quite a weak word for what i just read
but yea thats great otherwise..
i guess.. or not..
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Great article ! Also that Chinese chess story is pretty awesome. However
she visits the forums at teamliquid.net, a kind of StarCraft clearing house, sometimes even onstage between games, to see how people are reacting to the show she’s putting on. “I think I’m the only player that does that,” she added.
I'm pretty sure other players do that? Bunny, Hendralisk?
There's also a mistake in the article here :
Then, not long afterward, he quit the sport. He was at a tournament in Poland, and playing against the Korean DongRaeGu, when he grew annoyed that the crowd’s reactions seemed to be aiding his opponent. Blaming the soundproofing, he walked offstage, to thousands of boos. He never returned.
It was against Polt, wasn't it?
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On November 17 2014 18:55 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2014 18:49 Ragnarork wrote:My favorite part, hands down: In July, ESPN2 aired a half-hour program previewing an annual tournament for a game called Defense of the Ancients 2, or Dota 2, thereby enraging football and basketball fans who would have preferred round-the-clock speculation about off-season roster moves, and who vented on Twitter: “None of these people are anywhere near athletic,” “Wtf man. This is our society now,” “WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING ON ESPN2?,” and so on. Meanwhile, the winners of the Dota 2 tournament took home a total of five million dollars. By the way, On November 17 2014 18:48 Killscreen wrote:
Did they? Did they really?
The SC2 community has practically bent over backwards to welcome to Scarlett and make her feel welcome, and yet the article frames it as it as anything but. Personally, I find it interesting that the only really good female player is a transgender woman, and would like to discuss this as gender roles interest me, but any such discussion is implicitly verboten in the community, because the consensus is that Scarlett would not like it, and we have to respect that. No other player gets any such consideration.
You must have missed that huge wave of bans on teamliquid when Scarlett made her breakout. Don't pretend the problem isn't here. Yeah, I must have. Link(s)?
I'd like to invite posters to ignore the request for links. Please don't derail this thread with gamergate nonsense and debate club quibbles.
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On November 17 2014 19:18 OtherWorld wrote:There's also a mistake in the article here : Show nested quote +
Then, not long afterward, he quit the sport. He was at a tournament in Poland, and playing against the Korean DongRaeGu, when he grew annoyed that the crowd’s reactions seemed to be aiding his opponent. Blaming the soundproofing, he walked offstage, to thousands of boos. He never returned.
It was against Polt, wasn't it?
There are several minor factual errors in the article, but nothing too big
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On November 17 2014 19:18 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2014 18:55 Killscreen wrote:On November 17 2014 18:49 Ragnarork wrote:My favorite part, hands down: In July, ESPN2 aired a half-hour program previewing an annual tournament for a game called Defense of the Ancients 2, or Dota 2, thereby enraging football and basketball fans who would have preferred round-the-clock speculation about off-season roster moves, and who vented on Twitter: “None of these people are anywhere near athletic,” “Wtf man. This is our society now,” “WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING ON ESPN2?,” and so on. Meanwhile, the winners of the Dota 2 tournament took home a total of five million dollars. By the way, On November 17 2014 18:48 Killscreen wrote:
Did they? Did they really?
The SC2 community has practically bent over backwards to welcome to Scarlett and make her feel welcome, and yet the article frames it as it as anything but. Personally, I find it interesting that the only really good female player is a transgender woman, and would like to discuss this as gender roles interest me, but any such discussion is implicitly verboten in the community, because the consensus is that Scarlett would not like it, and we have to respect that. No other player gets any such consideration.
You must have missed that huge wave of bans on teamliquid when Scarlett made her breakout. Don't pretend the problem isn't here. Yeah, I must have. Link(s)? I'd like to invite posters to ignore the request for links. Please don't derail this thread with gamergate nonsense and debate club quibbles.
There's no such "links" anyway. It's all in the Automated Ban List thread, and requires digging. One could also look for threads that spawned at that time (was it an IPL ?) to see the kind of comments. That's just scattered in a lot of places.
But I agree, no such point in reviving this.
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On November 17 2014 19:18 OtherWorld wrote:Great article ! Also that Chinese chess story is pretty awesome. However Show nested quote +
she visits the forums at teamliquid.net, a kind of StarCraft clearing house, sometimes even onstage between games, to see how people are reacting to the show she’s putting on. “I think I’m the only player that does that,” she added.
I'm pretty sure other players do that? Bunny, Hendralisk?
Bunny, TLO, Snute, Downfall.
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hendralisk also often posts in WCS AM threads. Pretty sure most pros browse. Casters are also always reading threads; Khaldor and Wolf often gave shoutouts during Code A.
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On November 17 2014 19:27 lichter wrote:
hendralisk also often posts in WCS AM threads. Pretty sure most pros browse. Casters are also always reading threads; Khaldor and Wolf often gave shoutouts during Code A.
iNcontroL also posts quite a lot, as well as TB.
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On November 17 2014 19:23 Ragnarork wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2014 19:18 WigglingSquid wrote:On November 17 2014 18:55 Killscreen wrote:On November 17 2014 18:49 Ragnarork wrote:My favorite part, hands down: In July, ESPN2 aired a half-hour program previewing an annual tournament for a game called Defense of the Ancients 2, or Dota 2, thereby enraging football and basketball fans who would have preferred round-the-clock speculation about off-season roster moves, and who vented on Twitter: “None of these people are anywhere near athletic,” “Wtf man. This is our society now,” “WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING ON ESPN2?,” and so on. Meanwhile, the winners of the Dota 2 tournament took home a total of five million dollars. By the way, On November 17 2014 18:48 Killscreen wrote:
Did they? Did they really?
The SC2 community has practically bent over backwards to welcome to Scarlett and make her feel welcome, and yet the article frames it as it as anything but. Personally, I find it interesting that the only really good female player is a transgender woman, and would like to discuss this as gender roles interest me, but any such discussion is implicitly verboten in the community, because the consensus is that Scarlett would not like it, and we have to respect that. No other player gets any such consideration.
You must have missed that huge wave of bans on teamliquid when Scarlett made her breakout. Don't pretend the problem isn't here. Yeah, I must have. Link(s)? I'd like to invite posters to ignore the request for links. Please don't derail this thread with gamergate nonsense and debate club quibbles. There's no such "links" anyway. It's all in the Automated Ban List thread, and requires digging. One could also look for threads that spawned at that time (was it an IPL ?) to see the kind of comments. That's just scattered in a lot of places. But I agree, no such point in reviving this.
So there is no evidence of this alleged shit storm, and yet we are just supposed to accept it as gospel. Sounds about right, and in accordance with the anti GG movement. There is no evidence to support my initial quote either. The article does mention gamergame, and it is pretty damn apparent that the article is GG related, so I don't see why you guys seem so reluctant to discuss this major aspect of the article.
Scarlett is one of the most popular and beloved players in the community, and yet we are supposed to be these bigoted misogynists. Am I not allowed to point out this glaring contradiction?
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On November 17 2014 19:48 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2014 19:23 Ragnarork wrote:On November 17 2014 19:18 WigglingSquid wrote:On November 17 2014 18:55 Killscreen wrote:On November 17 2014 18:49 Ragnarork wrote:My favorite part, hands down: In July, ESPN2 aired a half-hour program previewing an annual tournament for a game called Defense of the Ancients 2, or Dota 2, thereby enraging football and basketball fans who would have preferred round-the-clock speculation about off-season roster moves, and who vented on Twitter: “None of these people are anywhere near athletic,” “Wtf man. This is our society now,” “WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING ON ESPN2?,” and so on. Meanwhile, the winners of the Dota 2 tournament took home a total of five million dollars. By the way, On November 17 2014 18:48 Killscreen wrote:
Did they? Did they really?
The SC2 community has practically bent over backwards to welcome to Scarlett and make her feel welcome, and yet the article frames it as it as anything but. Personally, I find it interesting that the only really good female player is a transgender woman, and would like to discuss this as gender roles interest me, but any such discussion is implicitly verboten in the community, because the consensus is that Scarlett would not like it, and we have to respect that. No other player gets any such consideration.
You must have missed that huge wave of bans on teamliquid when Scarlett made her breakout. Don't pretend the problem isn't here. Yeah, I must have. Link(s)? I'd like to invite posters to ignore the request for links. Please don't derail this thread with gamergate nonsense and debate club quibbles. There's no such "links" anyway. It's all in the Automated Ban List thread, and requires digging. One could also look for threads that spawned at that time (was it an IPL ?) to see the kind of comments. That's just scattered in a lot of places. But I agree, no such point in reviving this. So there is no evidence of this alleged shit storm, and yet we are just supposed to accept it as gospel. Sounds about right, and in accordance with the anti GG movement. There is no evidence to support my initial quote either. The article does mention gamergame, and it is pretty damn apparent that the article is GG related, so I don't see why you guys seem so reluctant to discuss this major aspect of the article. Scarlett is one of the most popular and beloved players in the community, and yet we are supposed to be these bigoted misogynists. Am I not allowed to point out this glaring contradiction?
GamerGate? Have you seen how huge that article is? GamerGate is mentioned 3 times, of which only one mention really goes into it. "Major aspect of the article", what? I recall hearing of a New Yorker journalist trailing Scarlett literally months back, before GamerGate was even a thing. Articles like this are in the pipeline for ages. This isn't about GamerGate, it's about a person and a scene that are interesting to profile.
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I've been reading threads and chats for a while and when Scarlett was mentioned, people would make often hurtful comments about her gender. You can probably dig up "evidence" by looking up reddit threads about her from a while back and checking the downvoted comments. Beyond that I honestly don't see it as big enough of a deal to do the work to present you with a list of links.
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On November 17 2014 19:48 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2014 19:23 Ragnarork wrote:On November 17 2014 19:18 WigglingSquid wrote:On November 17 2014 18:55 Killscreen wrote:On November 17 2014 18:49 Ragnarork wrote:My favorite part, hands down: In July, ESPN2 aired a half-hour program previewing an annual tournament for a game called Defense of the Ancients 2, or Dota 2, thereby enraging football and basketball fans who would have preferred round-the-clock speculation about off-season roster moves, and who vented on Twitter: “None of these people are anywhere near athletic,” “Wtf man. This is our society now,” “WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING ON ESPN2?,” and so on. Meanwhile, the winners of the Dota 2 tournament took home a total of five million dollars. By the way, On November 17 2014 18:48 Killscreen wrote:
Did they? Did they really?
The SC2 community has practically bent over backwards to welcome to Scarlett and make her feel welcome, and yet the article frames it as it as anything but. Personally, I find it interesting that the only really good female player is a transgender woman, and would like to discuss this as gender roles interest me, but any such discussion is implicitly verboten in the community, because the consensus is that Scarlett would not like it, and we have to respect that. No other player gets any such consideration.
You must have missed that huge wave of bans on teamliquid when Scarlett made her breakout. Don't pretend the problem isn't here. Yeah, I must have. Link(s)? I'd like to invite posters to ignore the request for links. Please don't derail this thread with gamergate nonsense and debate club quibbles. There's no such "links" anyway. It's all in the Automated Ban List thread, and requires digging. One could also look for threads that spawned at that time (was it an IPL ?) to see the kind of comments. That's just scattered in a lot of places. But I agree, no such point in reviving this. So there is no evidence of this alleged shit storm, and yet we are just supposed to accept it as gospel. Sounds about right, and in accordance with the anti GG movement. There is no evidence to support my initial quote either. The article does mention gamergame, and it is pretty damn apparent that the article is GG related, so I don't see why you guys seem so reluctant to discuss this major aspect of the article. Scarlett is one of the most popular and beloved players in the community, and yet we are supposed to be these bigoted misogynists. Am I not allowed to point out this glaring contradiction?
If you're seeing GamerGate as a "major aspect" of the article, then I'd suggest you to read it again. Or else you probably see GG everywhere.
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On November 17 2014 19:48 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2014 19:23 Ragnarork wrote:On November 17 2014 19:18 WigglingSquid wrote:On November 17 2014 18:55 Killscreen wrote:On November 17 2014 18:49 Ragnarork wrote:My favorite part, hands down: In July, ESPN2 aired a half-hour program previewing an annual tournament for a game called Defense of the Ancients 2, or Dota 2, thereby enraging football and basketball fans who would have preferred round-the-clock speculation about off-season roster moves, and who vented on Twitter: “None of these people are anywhere near athletic,” “Wtf man. This is our society now,” “WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING ON ESPN2?,” and so on. Meanwhile, the winners of the Dota 2 tournament took home a total of five million dollars. By the way, On November 17 2014 18:48 Killscreen wrote:
Did they? Did they really?
The SC2 community has practically bent over backwards to welcome to Scarlett and make her feel welcome, and yet the article frames it as it as anything but. Personally, I find it interesting that the only really good female player is a transgender woman, and would like to discuss this as gender roles interest me, but any such discussion is implicitly verboten in the community, because the consensus is that Scarlett would not like it, and we have to respect that. No other player gets any such consideration.
You must have missed that huge wave of bans on teamliquid when Scarlett made her breakout. Don't pretend the problem isn't here. Yeah, I must have. Link(s)? I'd like to invite posters to ignore the request for links. Please don't derail this thread with gamergate nonsense and debate club quibbles. There's no such "links" anyway. It's all in the Automated Ban List thread, and requires digging. One could also look for threads that spawned at that time (was it an IPL ?) to see the kind of comments. That's just scattered in a lot of places. But I agree, no such point in reviving this. So there is no evidence of this alleged shit storm, and yet we are just supposed to accept it as gospel. Sounds about right, and in accordance with the anti GG movement.
We have a search function. With a quick glance, I approximate about 80 posts mentioning Scarlett that were banned. This does not take into account posts that refer to her without mentioning her name. I also did not count warned posts.
If you want actual evidence, you can use the search function.
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On November 17 2014 19:54 Stijn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2014 19:48 Killscreen wrote:On November 17 2014 19:23 Ragnarork wrote:On November 17 2014 19:18 WigglingSquid wrote:On November 17 2014 18:55 Killscreen wrote:On November 17 2014 18:49 Ragnarork wrote:My favorite part, hands down: In July, ESPN2 aired a half-hour program previewing an annual tournament for a game called Defense of the Ancients 2, or Dota 2, thereby enraging football and basketball fans who would have preferred round-the-clock speculation about off-season roster moves, and who vented on Twitter: “None of these people are anywhere near athletic,” “Wtf man. This is our society now,” “WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING ON ESPN2?,” and so on. Meanwhile, the winners of the Dota 2 tournament took home a total of five million dollars. By the way, On November 17 2014 18:48 Killscreen wrote:
Did they? Did they really?
The SC2 community has practically bent over backwards to welcome to Scarlett and make her feel welcome, and yet the article frames it as it as anything but. Personally, I find it interesting that the only really good female player is a transgender woman, and would like to discuss this as gender roles interest me, but any such discussion is implicitly verboten in the community, because the consensus is that Scarlett would not like it, and we have to respect that. No other player gets any such consideration.
You must have missed that huge wave of bans on teamliquid when Scarlett made her breakout. Don't pretend the problem isn't here. Yeah, I must have. Link(s)? I'd like to invite posters to ignore the request for links. Please don't derail this thread with gamergate nonsense and debate club quibbles. There's no such "links" anyway. It's all in the Automated Ban List thread, and requires digging. One could also look for threads that spawned at that time (was it an IPL ?) to see the kind of comments. That's just scattered in a lot of places. But I agree, no such point in reviving this. So there is no evidence of this alleged shit storm, and yet we are just supposed to accept it as gospel. Sounds about right, and in accordance with the anti GG movement. There is no evidence to support my initial quote either. The article does mention gamergame, and it is pretty damn apparent that the article is GG related, so I don't see why you guys seem so reluctant to discuss this major aspect of the article. Scarlett is one of the most popular and beloved players in the community, and yet we are supposed to be these bigoted misogynists. Am I not allowed to point out this glaring contradiction? GamerGate? Have you seen how huge that article is? GamerGate is mentioned 3 times, of which only one really goes into it. "Major aspect of the article", what? I've been reading threads and chats for a while and when Scarlett was mentioned, people would make often hurtful comments about her gender. You can probably dig up "evidence" by looking up reddit threads about her from a while back and checking the downvoted comments. Beyond that I honestly don't see it as big enough of a deal to do the work to present you with a list of links.
The plural of anecdotes is not evidence. People like to present these guys as representative of us, but never feel required to actually prove that they actually do represent us, that they are not a small vocal minority.
Even though the burden of evidence lies with the people making these claims, I would offer Scarletts popularity as evidence that this simply isn't the case.
But fine. You people are obviously not interested in discussing it, so I'll let it go. It's shame though. This stuff is important.
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On November 17 2014 20:01 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2014 19:54 Stijn wrote:On November 17 2014 19:48 Killscreen wrote:On November 17 2014 19:23 Ragnarork wrote:On November 17 2014 19:18 WigglingSquid wrote:On November 17 2014 18:55 Killscreen wrote:On November 17 2014 18:49 Ragnarork wrote:My favorite part, hands down: In July, ESPN2 aired a half-hour program previewing an annual tournament for a game called Defense of the Ancients 2, or Dota 2, thereby enraging football and basketball fans who would have preferred round-the-clock speculation about off-season roster moves, and who vented on Twitter: “None of these people are anywhere near athletic,” “Wtf man. This is our society now,” “WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING ON ESPN2?,” and so on. Meanwhile, the winners of the Dota 2 tournament took home a total of five million dollars. By the way, On November 17 2014 18:48 Killscreen wrote:
Did they? Did they really?
The SC2 community has practically bent over backwards to welcome to Scarlett and make her feel welcome, and yet the article frames it as it as anything but. Personally, I find it interesting that the only really good female player is a transgender woman, and would like to discuss this as gender roles interest me, but any such discussion is implicitly verboten in the community, because the consensus is that Scarlett would not like it, and we have to respect that. No other player gets any such consideration.
You must have missed that huge wave of bans on teamliquid when Scarlett made her breakout. Don't pretend the problem isn't here. Yeah, I must have. Link(s)? I'd like to invite posters to ignore the request for links. Please don't derail this thread with gamergate nonsense and debate club quibbles. There's no such "links" anyway. It's all in the Automated Ban List thread, and requires digging. One could also look for threads that spawned at that time (was it an IPL ?) to see the kind of comments. That's just scattered in a lot of places. But I agree, no such point in reviving this. So there is no evidence of this alleged shit storm, and yet we are just supposed to accept it as gospel. Sounds about right, and in accordance with the anti GG movement. There is no evidence to support my initial quote either. The article does mention gamergame, and it is pretty damn apparent that the article is GG related, so I don't see why you guys seem so reluctant to discuss this major aspect of the article. Scarlett is one of the most popular and beloved players in the community, and yet we are supposed to be these bigoted misogynists. Am I not allowed to point out this glaring contradiction? GamerGate? Have you seen how huge that article is? GamerGate is mentioned 3 times, of which only one really goes into it. "Major aspect of the article", what? I've been reading threads and chats for a while and when Scarlett was mentioned, people would make often hurtful comments about her gender. You can probably dig up "evidence" by looking up reddit threads about her from a while back and checking the downvoted comments. Beyond that I honestly don't see it as big enough of a deal to do the work to present you with a list of links. The plural of anecdotes is not evidence. People like to present these guys as representative of us, but never feel required to actually prove that they actually do represent us, that they are not a small vocal minority.
What do you mean, "representative of us"? I'm talking about /r/starcraft posts, TeamLiquid threads and twitch chats. If that's not the starcraft community, what is?
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As for the article at hand, I found the bit about the wrist issues interesting. 6 months rest for a full recovery sounds pretty serious. I wonder if these progamer wrist issues could be prevented if people were aware of them earlier on? It seems like right now most only become aware of them when it's too late.
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On November 17 2014 20:01 Killscreen wrote:Show nested quote +On November 17 2014 19:54 Stijn wrote:On November 17 2014 19:48 Killscreen wrote:On November 17 2014 19:23 Ragnarork wrote:On November 17 2014 19:18 WigglingSquid wrote:On November 17 2014 18:55 Killscreen wrote:On November 17 2014 18:49 Ragnarork wrote:My favorite part, hands down: In July, ESPN2 aired a half-hour program previewing an annual tournament for a game called Defense of the Ancients 2, or Dota 2, thereby enraging football and basketball fans who would have preferred round-the-clock speculation about off-season roster moves, and who vented on Twitter: “None of these people are anywhere near athletic,” “Wtf man. This is our society now,” “WHAT THE HELL IS HAPPENING ON ESPN2?,” and so on. Meanwhile, the winners of the Dota 2 tournament took home a total of five million dollars. By the way, On November 17 2014 18:48 Killscreen wrote:
Did they? Did they really?
The SC2 community has practically bent over backwards to welcome to Scarlett and make her feel welcome, and yet the article frames it as it as anything but. Personally, I find it interesting that the only really good female player is a transgender woman, and would like to discuss this as gender roles interest me, but any such discussion is implicitly verboten in the community, because the consensus is that Scarlett would not like it, and we have to respect that. No other player gets any such consideration.
You must have missed that huge wave of bans on teamliquid when Scarlett made her breakout. Don't pretend the problem isn't here. Yeah, I must have. Link(s)? I'd like to invite posters to ignore the request for links. Please don't derail this thread with gamergate nonsense and debate club quibbles. There's no such "links" anyway. It's all in the Automated Ban List thread, and requires digging. One could also look for threads that spawned at that time (was it an IPL ?) to see the kind of comments. That's just scattered in a lot of places. But I agree, no such point in reviving this. So there is no evidence of this alleged shit storm, and yet we are just supposed to accept it as gospel. Sounds about right, and in accordance with the anti GG movement. There is no evidence to support my initial quote either. The article does mention gamergame, and it is pretty damn apparent that the article is GG related, so I don't see why you guys seem so reluctant to discuss this major aspect of the article. Scarlett is one of the most popular and beloved players in the community, and yet we are supposed to be these bigoted misogynists. Am I not allowed to point out this glaring contradiction? GamerGate? Have you seen how huge that article is? GamerGate is mentioned 3 times, of which only one really goes into it. "Major aspect of the article", what? I've been reading threads and chats for a while and when Scarlett was mentioned, people would make often hurtful comments about her gender. You can probably dig up "evidence" by looking up reddit threads about her from a while back and checking the downvoted comments. Beyond that I honestly don't see it as big enough of a deal to do the work to present you with a list of links. The plural of anecdotes is not evidence. People like to present these guys as representative of us, but never feel required to actually prove that they actually do represent us, that they are not a small vocal minority.
It's clearly written in the article that GamerGate has its origins in a "subculture within a subculture", which leads to the fact that they are not representative of the whole gaming community. I don't know what you're talking about.
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