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Kofuku
Profile Joined January 2014
31 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 18:25:26
November 17 2014 17:24 GMT
#101
Edit for relevance: This New Yorker article is fantastic. I think it would have been perfect if it could have been able to track a Korean/KeSPA player the same way it did Scarlett. But that would have been a very different article, and this was just great for the approach the author decided to take.
Superbanana
Profile Joined May 2014
2369 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 17:31:12
November 17 2014 17:28 GMT
#102
Loved the article, its written with an "outsider" point of view, but its very fair (someone did his research). Its a great advertising for e-sports, and its done in a healthy way too.
Yet another material to feed my Scarlett fanboysm, it tells much more about her that a couple of questions and answers.
But on a more serious note, Kas ruined the fajitas timing T_T
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spoonmaster
Profile Joined May 2012
United States347 Posts
November 17 2014 17:29 GMT
#103
Enjoy the New Yorker writing style, always reminded me of NPR feature journalism but much more in depth, which I love. Really sets you inside the scene as well as possible, even if that scene is somewhat chaotic to an outsider at first.

Our world is a hard one to grasp at first, but I think those piece does a good job at taking the noise and clutter and streamlining it down to the essence of the passion behind the fans at the end highlight that at the end of the day we just love playing and watching the game.

Scarlett did great things for the StarCraft community, and her acceptance as a top player has really molded SC2 as the pioneer of acceptance in the gaming world, especially as the article mentions in contrast to fighting games. As someone with close friends in the FGC world it's somewhat shocking to hear the offensive things come out of their mouths that are socially acceptable. Sad to see that almost proud mentality to hold a sexist view by stating that removing the offensiveness boils their fanbase to "simply StarCraft".

Either way,I've always been a big fan of Scarlett, and I think this post is a great share amongst those who don't understand esports or StarCraft. Love it.
Ashakyre
Profile Joined October 2011
United States99 Posts
November 17 2014 17:39 GMT
#104
"I wouldn't say that the gaming community is "by and large accepting of all people." It may be a vocal minority that is actively racist/sexist, or it may be the majority, but regardless, the people who have the power to most effectively speak out against that kind of behavior almost never do. Scarlett's success doesn't change that fact."

Yes and no. As I recall, in the early days of Scarlett gaining noteriety whenever there was a thread about her the topic of her sexual identity became the focus for a large percentage of the commentators. Eventually the TL mods wisely grew tired of every Scarlett thread being an ongoing sexual identity debate thread and banned people for discussing Scarlett's sexual identification, while allowing a seperate thread to debate / educate people on the various topics pertaining to sexual identity, the same way that Left/Right politics are generally condoned off to a seperate area, a classically liberal "agree to disagree" approach.

Slurs about transgenderism were banned outright but as I recall sincere inquiery and sketicism were allowed. I read those threads the related links and learned a lot about the issue. So, generally, I feel that here on TL the "people who had the power" took the conversation in a constructive direction without stifling free inquery.

So, while one can be upset that people were making disparaging remarks about transgenderism in the first place, hateful slurs were banned, and the prevailing attitute was acceptance. If your standard for judging a community is that intolerance never happans, your goal is not tolerance, but social control. The question is whether intolerance is spoken out against. Is there a sizable chunk of people that recognize a behavior as wrong? Yes? Then the overall community isn't reflective of that behavior.

So you have to ask what double standards are never recognized as unfair?

We'll, 100 internet point to the first person who mentions an obvious double legal standard mentioned in the New Yorker article that no one so far on this thread has identified as morally wrong.

Any takers?
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
November 17 2014 17:46 GMT
#105
I just read this article.

Holy crap, Scarlett is a prodigy. Truly deserving of carrying the banner as the foreign hope.
Stijn
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands363 Posts
November 17 2014 17:49 GMT
#106
On November 18 2014 02:39 Ashakyre wrote:
We'll, 100 internet point to the first person who mentions an obvious double legal standard mentioned in the New Yorker article that no one so far on this thread has identified as morally wrong.

Any takers?

If you think it's worth discussing, why don't you just say it?
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 17 2014 17:50 GMT
#107
On November 18 2014 02:46 c0ldfusion wrote:
I just read this article.

Holy crap, Scarlett is a prodigy. Truly deserving of carrying the banner as the foreign hope.


No kidding. I kind of knew she was pretty exceptional since she made GM and won stuff in less than a year of starting the game, but it seems like that carries over to a lot of other things. Pretty interesting, wish I was that smart and talented.
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c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
November 17 2014 17:50 GMT
#108
This is a solid piece of journalism. If you haven't, you guys should read the whole article. It's worth the time.
OtherWorld
Profile Blog Joined October 2013
France17333 Posts
November 17 2014 17:52 GMT
#109
On November 18 2014 02:50 c0ldfusion wrote:
This is a solid piece of journalism. If you haven't, you guys should read the whole article. It's worth the time.

Yep, this is top level journalism. I would totally buy a book written by this guy telling stories of different progamers in the style of what he did with Scarlett here.
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32749 Posts
November 17 2014 17:57 GMT
#110
The best article I've read about SC2 and e-sports from a mainstream, well-regarded journalism source. Very well researched, respects e-sports and doesn't deride it, is easy accessible for anyone who is completely new to e-sports and well written. Scarlett was a great focus point because of how different she is from the average SC2 player or pro and the writer definitely made it work.
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Carnac
Profile Blog Joined December 2003
Germany / USA16648 Posts
November 17 2014 17:57 GMT
#111
one of the best articles about sc2/gaming by an "outsider" I have read to date, thanks
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Holdenintherye
Profile Joined December 2012
Canada1441 Posts
November 17 2014 17:59 GMT
#112
Most surprised to read that she practices so little o.O
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
November 17 2014 18:02 GMT
#113
On November 18 2014 02:59 Holdenintherye wrote:
Most surprised to read that she practices so little o.O


Practices so little now, I'm sure she didn't get good that way. Watching games and thinking about it is almost as useful as regular practice if you know what you're doing.
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DinoMight
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States3725 Posts
November 17 2014 18:09 GMT
#114
On November 18 2014 03:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2014 02:59 Holdenintherye wrote:
Most surprised to read that she practices so little o.O


Practices so little now, I'm sure she didn't get good that way. Watching games and thinking about it is almost as useful as regular practice if you know what you're doing.


Yeah you need to be actually good before you can just watch.

I can watch PartinG all day long but I'm still garbage at PvT :/
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MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 18:19:15
November 17 2014 18:17 GMT
#115
I knew it would be a good, long read because of the source but I agree with people saying it's the one of the best pieces written about the scene sc2 community or w/e.
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THELEHGOTERRAN
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1837 Posts
November 17 2014 18:19 GMT
#116
new yorker, fantastic writing as usual
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HEADD
Profile Joined June 2014
Czech Republic611 Posts
November 17 2014 18:27 GMT
#117
On November 18 2014 03:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2014 02:59 Holdenintherye wrote:
Most surprised to read that she practices so little o.O


Practices so little now, I'm sure she didn't get good that way. Watching games and thinking about it is almost as useful as regular practice if you know what you're doing.

But didnt PRO need practice micro and macro?if they practice like 8hours micro/macro they will have better splits with marines or better blink micro like parting or better anti-mine micro as zerg.
And thats why they winning big turnamets.You cant get better micro/macro only by watching vods i think.
Is this true or not?
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
November 17 2014 18:28 GMT
#118
Also, I liked the TL shoutout. yay!
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 18:34:04
November 17 2014 18:32 GMT
#119
On November 18 2014 03:27 HEADD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2014 03:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 18 2014 02:59 Holdenintherye wrote:
Most surprised to read that she practices so little o.O


Practices so little now, I'm sure she didn't get good that way. Watching games and thinking about it is almost as useful as regular practice if you know what you're doing.

But didnt PRO need practice micro and macro?if they practice like 8hours micro/macro they will have better splits with marines or better blink micro like parting or better anti-mine micro as zerg.
And thats why they winning big turnamets.You cant get better micro/macro only by watching vods i think.
Is this true or not?

Well, Scarlett doesn't really win tournaments so there is truth to that I'd assume. Still, it's better to be somewhat successful and not blow out your wrists than to win a few things and then ruin your body (RIP Mvp), it seems like that's what she thinks.
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HEADD
Profile Joined June 2014
Czech Republic611 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-17 18:51:57
November 17 2014 18:44 GMT
#120
On November 18 2014 03:32 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2014 03:27 HEADD wrote:
On November 18 2014 03:02 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On November 18 2014 02:59 Holdenintherye wrote:
Most surprised to read that she practices so little o.O


Practices so little now, I'm sure she didn't get good that way. Watching games and thinking about it is almost as useful as regular practice if you know what you're doing.

But didnt PRO need practice micro and macro?if they practice like 8hours micro/macro they will have better splits with marines or better blink micro like parting or better anti-mine micro as zerg.
And thats why they winning big turnamets.You cant get better micro/macro only by watching vods i think.
Is this true or not?

Well, Scarlett doesn't really win tournaments so there is truth to that I'd assume. Still, it's better to be somewhat successful and not blow out your wrists than to win a few things and then ruin your body (RIP Mvp), it seems like that's what she thinks.

Well it will be interesting know how much other players like snute/bunny practice or Teaja he also have wrist injury and he winning turnamets:D
Btw scarlett wins like 4 major turnamets but still waiting for premier

And ofc is better practice 4 hours and still been on scarlett level(one of best foreigners, beating top koreans) than practice 10hours and ruin wrist in 1 month and then retire..
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