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Branman
Profile Joined March 2013
United States203 Posts
November 08 2014 04:05 GMT
#1061
Terran mech needs something like the cyclone in order to make mech more viable. Right now a serious problem with mech is that is is so immobile that it is really hard to retreat with anything less than a maxed out army. The cyclone can serve as a rear guard during a retreat making smaller mech armies trade more evenly; yes, the opposing army should still catch the mech army and destroy it but at a much higher cost than before.

An "ideal" mech army will have:
hellbats: front line defense from melee units
tanks: main damage dealers
cyclone: rear guard/anti-air
thor: anti-air
vikings: spotting/anti-air
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
November 08 2014 04:08 GMT
#1062
On November 08 2014 12:44 ZAiNs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 12:42 bhfberserk wrote:
Does anyone know if saturation is max at 16 or 12??
Currently in HOTS, it is optimal at 16 per base, 2 per mineral patch.

Nobody knows for sure yet, there are conflicting reports, hopefully we will find out soon during the LotV showmatches.


This is correct. We do not know yet. There is confusion because people are using the terms "saturation" and "maximum efficiency" interchangeably.
Svizcy
Profile Joined May 2010
Slovenia300 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 04:09:57
November 08 2014 04:09 GMT
#1063
From these changes i think protoss will be very weak and terran and zerg get a lot of very strong units to boot. I really really hope they don't mess up the balance to much with this.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 04:12:50
November 08 2014 04:12 GMT
#1064
I'm honestly not impressed with the new Terran units at all. The battlecruiser and tank one can be interesting, others are ok but those two new units are garbage imo. When they said moving shot, I thought you had to actually micro the dang unit lol but it looks like it automatically attacks once it has its target and is within range. I feel protoss units are a little more interesting but things like stasis just reminds me of BW, same with that new unit that's invulnerable when it blows up.

Then for zerg, lurker is back, another BW unit. The other units are ok but the nydus worm is stupid! When a zerg player is floating a lot of money late game, it would be impossible to prevent them from building 6 nydus and just flood out units into your base. As much as I love OP units and abilities, having no way to stop the nydus is stupid. Why not just increase hp or armor or make it cheaper with a slight armor increase so that it doesn't die as quick (especially if workers are used)?

Overall, I felt that some units or abilities were pretty much based off BW which is fine but I feel it's a bit too late now. Should've introduced them in HoTS and kept the other half till LoTV. Economy changes also seem really bad at this point in time. This is something that should've been done back in WoL and not to the last expansion!
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 08 2014 04:12 GMT
#1065
On November 08 2014 13:09 Svizcy wrote:
From these changes i think protoss will be very weak and terran and zerg get a lot of very strong units to boot. I really really hope they don't mess up the balance to much with this.

They're just concepts that have been tested yet. At that point we should just see if the units are fun or not. Then worry about balance.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
November 08 2014 04:13 GMT
#1066
Lan is more important than all this units.
Vasacast always in my <3
bhfberserk
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada390 Posts
November 08 2014 04:13 GMT
#1067
On November 08 2014 12:44 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 12:42 bhfberserk wrote:
Does anyone know if saturation is max at 16 or 12??
Currently in HOTS, it is optimal at 16 per base, 2 per mineral patch.

12. You start the game in LotV with your main saturated.


So 12 is now the optimal saturation? Does that mean optimal mining would be 1 per patch, and 4 additional workers on those further minerals patch?

If you are playing LOTV at blizzcon, would love to hear more! Thanks ahead.
jojos11
Profile Joined March 2014
Korea (North)314 Posts
November 08 2014 04:15 GMT
#1068
On November 08 2014 13:05 Ryuu314 wrote:
reaver where? :[

disrupters = scarabs. why not go all the way and give reaver :[

reavers are boring thats why
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10378 Posts
November 08 2014 04:16 GMT
#1069
On November 08 2014 13:05 Branman wrote:
Terran mech needs something like the cyclone in order to make mech more viable. Right now a serious problem with mech is that is is so immobile that it is really hard to retreat with anything less than a maxed out army. The cyclone can serve as a rear guard during a retreat making smaller mech armies trade more evenly; yes, the opposing army should still catch the mech army and destroy it but at a much higher cost than before.

An "ideal" mech army will have:
hellbats: front line defense from melee units
tanks: main damage dealers
cyclone: rear guard/anti-air
thor: anti-air
vikings: spotting/anti-air


The cyclone seems to have pretty large range too, and in addition to the Immortals being less effective against mech (or so is their intention), the cyclone could be a good replacement or alternative to the ghost/banshee :D
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States46214 Posts
November 08 2014 04:16 GMT
#1070
You officially start with 12 workers. Tasteless said so on stream.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
Descent
Profile Joined January 2008
1244 Posts
November 08 2014 04:22 GMT
#1071
On November 08 2014 13:12 BigFan wrote:
I'm honestly not impressed with the new Terran units at all. The battlecruiser and tank one can be interesting, others are ok but those two new units are garbage imo. When they said moving shot, I thought you had to actually micro the dang unit lol but it looks like it automatically attacks once it has its target and is within range. I feel protoss units are a little more interesting but things like stasis just reminds me of BW, same with that new unit that's invulnerable when it blows up.

Then for zerg, lurker is back, another BW unit. The other units are ok but the nydus worm is stupid! When a zerg player is floating a lot of money late game, it would be impossible to prevent them from building 6 nydus and just flood out units into your base. As much as I love OP units and abilities, having no way to stop the nydus is stupid. Why not just increase hp or armor or make it cheaper with a slight armor increase so that it doesn't die as quick (especially if workers are used)?

Overall, I felt that some units or abilities were pretty much based off BW which is fine but I feel it's a bit too late now. Should've introduced them in HoTS and kept the other half till LoTV. Economy changes also seem really bad at this point in time. This is something that should've been done back in WoL and not to the last expansion!


Yeah, I agree with you. The Herc feels like something they would announce for an April 1st joke to me...
「 Dream & Future 」 ※ 「 STX SouL 」
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
November 08 2014 04:24 GMT
#1072
I honestly don't like the change of 12 workers.

No 6 pool. No 10 pool.

this is like a Starcraft3, this is a revolution. And it SUCKS.
Vasacast always in my <3
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
November 08 2014 04:24 GMT
#1073
On November 08 2014 13:15 jojos11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 13:05 Ryuu314 wrote:
reaver where? :[

disrupters = scarabs. why not go all the way and give reaver :[

reavers are boring thats why

It's like the most fun protoss unit ever created by a stretch.....
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 08 2014 04:26 GMT
#1074
On November 08 2014 13:22 Descent wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 13:12 BigFan wrote:
I'm honestly not impressed with the new Terran units at all. The battlecruiser and tank one can be interesting, others are ok but those two new units are garbage imo. When they said moving shot, I thought you had to actually micro the dang unit lol but it looks like it automatically attacks once it has its target and is within range. I feel protoss units are a little more interesting but things like stasis just reminds me of BW, same with that new unit that's invulnerable when it blows up.

Then for zerg, lurker is back, another BW unit. The other units are ok but the nydus worm is stupid! When a zerg player is floating a lot of money late game, it would be impossible to prevent them from building 6 nydus and just flood out units into your base. As much as I love OP units and abilities, having no way to stop the nydus is stupid. Why not just increase hp or armor or make it cheaper with a slight armor increase so that it doesn't die as quick (especially if workers are used)?

Overall, I felt that some units or abilities were pretty much based off BW which is fine but I feel it's a bit too late now. Should've introduced them in HoTS and kept the other half till LoTV. Economy changes also seem really bad at this point in time. This is something that should've been done back in WoL and not to the last expansion!


Yeah, I agree with you. The Herc feels like something they would announce for an April 1st joke to me...

I thought this was an April fools joke at first then I realized it's November and it's a trusted source. Once I watched the videos, I knew they were actually considering these changes.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 08 2014 04:26 GMT
#1075
On November 08 2014 13:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 13:15 jojos11 wrote:
On November 08 2014 13:05 Ryuu314 wrote:
reaver where? :[

disrupters = scarabs. why not go all the way and give reaver :[

reavers are boring thats why

It's like the most fun protoss unit ever created by a stretch.....

Only a protoss player would say that. Terran players hate reavers with a passion
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
royalroadweed
Profile Joined April 2013
United States8301 Posts
November 08 2014 04:27 GMT
#1076
On November 08 2014 13:26 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 13:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On November 08 2014 13:15 jojos11 wrote:
On November 08 2014 13:05 Ryuu314 wrote:
reaver where? :[

disrupters = scarabs. why not go all the way and give reaver :[

reavers are boring thats why

It's like the most fun protoss unit ever created by a stretch.....

Only a protoss player would say that. Terran players hate reavers with a passion

I don't hate reavers as much as I hated the shuttle.
"Nerfing Toss can just make them stronger"
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
November 08 2014 04:29 GMT
#1077
On November 08 2014 13:27 royalroadweed wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 13:26 BigFan wrote:
On November 08 2014 13:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On November 08 2014 13:15 jojos11 wrote:
On November 08 2014 13:05 Ryuu314 wrote:
reaver where? :[

disrupters = scarabs. why not go all the way and give reaver :[

reavers are boring thats why

It's like the most fun protoss unit ever created by a stretch.....

Only a protoss player would say that. Terran players hate reavers with a passion

I don't hate reavers as much as I hated the shuttle.

you know what I mean lol.
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
November 08 2014 04:30 GMT
#1078
On November 08 2014 13:26 BigFan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 13:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On November 08 2014 13:15 jojos11 wrote:
On November 08 2014 13:05 Ryuu314 wrote:
reaver where? :[

disrupters = scarabs. why not go all the way and give reaver :[

reavers are boring thats why

It's like the most fun protoss unit ever created by a stretch.....

Only a protoss player would say that. Terran players hate reavers with a passion

I actually played PvT PvZ TvP (switched between PvP and TvP.. I didn't like PvP but TvP was hard ;d) in BW. I did hate reavers when I was terran, and loved the shit out of them as protoss!
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9931 Posts
November 08 2014 04:32 GMT
#1079
Fucking warp drive for BCs YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!
RIP Meatloaf <3
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-11-08 04:34:30
November 08 2014 04:33 GMT
#1080
On November 08 2014 13:30 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2014 13:26 BigFan wrote:
On November 08 2014 13:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On November 08 2014 13:15 jojos11 wrote:
On November 08 2014 13:05 Ryuu314 wrote:
reaver where? :[

disrupters = scarabs. why not go all the way and give reaver :[

reavers are boring thats why

It's like the most fun protoss unit ever created by a stretch.....

Only a protoss player would say that. Terran players hate reavers with a passion

I actually played PvT PvZ TvP (switched between PvP and TvP.. I didn't like PvP but TvP was hard ;d) in BW. I did hate reavers when I was terran, and loved the shit out of them as protoss!

ah I see, ya, it's understandable. I gave up on TvP and strictly play TvZ these days lol. PvZ is good fun though so I play that at times though I rarely use reavers despite their potential.

ps 2/3 matchups are protoss therefore rounding up = protoss player lol
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
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