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SetGuitarsToKill
Canada28396 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:11 stuchiu wrote: They should build a monument to Sen for saving the foreigners from another all kill this year. For sure, but even his premier wasn't THAT impressive. And as far as white people go... better luck next year. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
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Yelloooooooow
14 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:11 Evil_Sheep wrote: I disagree, I personally think it sucks that all the players at Blizzcon are from the same country when most of the audience is not from that country. It would be just like if the World Cup was all teams from EU and South America cuz they are the best. Well there's more to it than that IMO. Legit point of view, but personally I prefer to see the best of best. :D | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:16 Clbull wrote: Not that anybody from outside Korea is actually good/willing enough to forego a spot in WCS America/Europe and attempt to break GSL or the Korean scene in general, but isn't it a bit unfair that WCS EU and NA are region locked and KR isn't? KR wants foreigners to try to come compete because it boosts their popularity. I'm not surprised at this decision. Is it unfair that WCS AM and EU are region locked? A lot of people think yes. | ||
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iMrising
United States1099 Posts
thank you SPOTV | ||
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zelevin
United States316 Posts
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Yelloooooooow
14 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:17 Shinespark wrote: Oh god, that's like a 40% decrease in prize money in the GSL. Plus the last 4 (?) finals were held at the studio. This is very bad. This was also my first reaction but if you think about (too) big gap beetwen 1st and 2nd place prize in GSL 2014 format and that they need more WCS Points cause region lock on EU and NA maybe this decision could be right.  | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:16 Clbull wrote: Not that anybody from outside Korea is actually good/willing enough to forego a spot in WCS America/Europe and attempt to break GSL or the Korean scene in general, but isn't it a bit unfair that WCS EU and NA are region locked and KR isn't? Since everything is in studio, KR is de facto region locked anyways. Plus KR wants the foreigners to try. | ||
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:11 Evil_Sheep wrote: I disagree, I personally think it sucks that all the players at Blizzcon are from the same country when most of the audience is not from that country. It would be just like if the World Cup was all teams from EU and South America cuz they are the best. Well there's more to it than that IMO. The World Cup analogy gets brought up constantly but people forget that this is EXACTLY what Blizzard did in 2012--they had tournaments all over the world and ended up with a "Global Finals" that was mostly foreigners. And the result was that no one paid any attention to the non-Korean tournaments (except a little to Europe) and with a few isolated exceptions the foreigners got destroyed by the Korean minority at the Global Finals anyway. So what exactly does that accomplish? Anyway, I'm happy there will be more tournaments in Korea though it's sad that after making a big deal about raising GSL prize pool in 2014 it's going back down in 2015. I also wonder what the SpoTV tournaments will be like; "sixteen player tournament" kind of sounds more like a weekend tournament in the vein of IEM or DreamHack than a real "league" like GSL. | ||
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geokilla
Canada8246 Posts
On October 31 2014 12:24 myxoma_strain wrote: Well, the region lock technically applies since you'd have to be able to be at the studio whenever your match is... Which is why there is no Blizzard region lock. This is exciting news for Korea, which has been heavily over saturated for the past couple of years. I wonder if "foreign" players can compete in GSL or SpoTV, as well as in their respective WCS regions. It'd take an absurd amount of skill and some may say not fair, but since it is such a difficult feat to achieve it would be rather interesting to let this happen. | ||
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BreAKerTV
Taiwan1658 Posts
edit: i just woke up. will pro league continue as normal, was that mentioned? | ||
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iMrising
United States1099 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:21 Yelloooooooow wrote: This was also my first reaction but if you think about (too) big gap beetwen 1st and 2nd place prize and that they need more WCS Points cause region lock on EU and NA maybe this decision could be right. combined this creates more prize pool for the KR scene in general. Also the 1st place winner got a large amount of the money anyway so this is a better way to distribute the money. In addition, Blizzard announced that there will be more tournaments in Korea, and its good to give the korean scene more money to support themselves on. If there is enough tournaments in korea, there will be a few very very strong foreigners that will travel to Korea and participate in those tournaments, creating higher level foreigners as well. (and not to mention, we love foreigners that participate in the GSL etc) And for those that argue that next year Korea will just dominate Blizzcon 2015, I think thats fine. We have an all korean lineup this year and it is still going to be incredibly epic. Honestly I still think foreigners have a good chance of having one or 2 slots in blizzcon like this year. (snute, scarlett, bunny narrowly missed it) | ||
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Yelloooooooow
14 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:24 geokilla wrote: Which is why there is no Blizzard region lock. This is exciting news for Korea, which has been heavily over saturated for the past couple of years. I wonder if "foreign" players can compete in GSL or SpoTV, as well as in their respective WCS regions. It'd take an absurd amount of skill and some may say not fair, but since it is such a difficult feat to achieve it would be rather interesting to let this happen. Foreign hope hype! :D | ||
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iMrising
United States1099 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:25 BreAKerTV wrote: well, that is one way to prevent Korean competitors from retiring. edit: i just woke up. will pro league continue as normal, was that mentioned? Proleague confirmed that there will be a new season, if thats what you're asking :\ How will this affect Proleague in any way? | ||
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ZigguratOfUr
Iraq16955 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:25 BreAKerTV wrote: well, that is one way to prevent Korean competitors from retiring. edit: i just woke up. will pro league continue as normal, was that mentioned? Not this is all about individual tournaments as far as I know. But: We might get Proleague related news soon. | ||
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Evil_Sheep
Canada902 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:13 Dodgin wrote: Just because you want to see them there doesn't mean they deserve to go. Blizzcon is for the most skilled players, It's not a form of WCG. I think it adds value to have global representation for a global audience, it's not just about having the most skilled players. I think Blizzcon misses out a lot to have some of the biggest names in the foreign scene missing from the biggest tournament of the year like Snute, Scarlett, Bunny, etc. The World Cup derives a lot of value from having a diversity of countries from every continent even if they are not objectively the strongest ones, and it is the biggest sporting event in the world. Like the World Cup, there's room to have a competition that still crowns the best and most skillful, while still being inclusive to a diversity of countries. | ||
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Zenbrez
Canada5973 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:31 Evil_Sheep wrote: I think it adds value to have global representation for a global audience, it's not just about having the most skilled players. I think Blizzcon misses out a lot to have some of the biggest names in the foreign scene missing from the biggest tournament of the year like Snute, Scarlett, Bunny, etc. The World Cup derives a lot of value from having a diversity of countries from every continent even if they are not objectively the strongest ones, and it is the biggest sporting event in the world. Like the World Cup, there's room to have a competition that still crowns the best and most skillful, while still being inclusive to a diversity of countries. What's the point though if they're just going to get stomp round 1 though? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:31 Evil_Sheep wrote: I think it adds value to have global representation for a global audience, it's not just about having the most skilled players. I think Blizzcon misses out a lot to have some of the biggest names in the foreign scene missing from the biggest tournament of the year like Snute, Scarlett, Bunny, etc. The World Cup derives a lot of value from having a diversity of countries from every continent even if they are not objectively the strongest ones, and it is the biggest sporting event in the world. Like the World Cup, there's room to have a competition that still crowns the best and most skillful, while still being inclusive to a diversity of countries. Ok yes there is value, but you quoted my post saying " they don't deserve it " saying you disagree, then you listed a bunch of reasons that have nothing to do with them deserving it. | ||
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iMrising
United States1099 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:33 Zenbrez wrote: What's the point though if they're just going to get stomp round 1 though? Foreigners = more hype more hype = more viewers. Even if they get stomped first round, the prospect of having a foreigner that participated in blizzcon, I think, is enough. Lets pretend that Scarlett/Bunny/Snute made Blizzcon. I think we can safely assume that many people in the crowd/chat/forums will be hyped up about their participation. We can see this in Red Bull when Scarlett let those banelings go on habitation station etc | ||
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