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bduddy
United States1326 Posts
On October 31 2014 12:23 Waxangel wrote: NA/EU officially charity tournaments"There are no region restrictions on GSL and or SpoTV tournaments, with players from any region able to compete." | ||
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spoonmaster
United States347 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:30 ZigguratOfUr wrote: Not this is all about individual tournaments as far as I know. But: We might get Proleague related news soon. Maybe KeSPA Cups! | ||
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:36 iMrising wrote: Foreigners = more hype more hype = more viewers. Even if they get stomped first round, the prospect of having a foreigner that participated in blizzcon, I think, is enough. Lets pretend that Scarlett/Bunny/Snute made Blizzcon. I think we can safely assume that many people in the crowd/chat/forums will be hyped up about their participation. We can see this in Red Bull when Scarlett let those banelings go on habitation station etc so foreigners = viewers? i guess that's why tournaments specifically put together to showcase the best foreign talent and pit them against koreans have been so MASSIVELY successful and celebrated, right? you're making the common mistake of "i would watch for foreigners, therefore a commercially viable majority of people must obviously think the same way i think" and none of these arguments explains why blizzcon should have foreigners... like someone pointed out its not meant to be an international cup to represent nations, its a finals for the top tournament performers of the year as defined by the wcs system. you can debate whether MC and Hyun fit the spirit of the event (i personally do since they've made a huge impact on the scene though their travel and performance) but there is no argument that blizzcon was conceived of or I'd obligated to function as a charity for substandard players. people bitch that mc/hyun aren't "good enough" but at least they accrued points legitimately using the system available to them. foreigners can't win shit with or without flawed wcs point distribution so why throw them into tournaments for free? if your claims that it would create hype and esports dollars were correct then the community would have already proven it | ||
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Evil_Sheep
Canada902 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:35 Dodgin wrote: Ok yes there is value, but you quoted my post saying " they don't deserve it " saying you disagree, then you listed a bunch of reasons that have nothing to do with them deserving it. The reasons I mentioned have everything to do with why they deserve it. They add value to the tournament and to the SC2 esports scene. That is the point. Sports/esports are not about scoring points or winning or losing. They are simply a form of entertainment. If your audience are entertained and interested, you've succeeded, and if not, you've failed. As long as Blizzcon is 100% korean, I don't see how it or the SC2 esports scene is ever supposed to grow and appeal beyond a hardcore fanbase like here on TL. | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:54 Evil_Sheep wrote: The reasons I mentioned have everything to do with why they deserve it. They add value to the tournament and to the SC2 esports scene. That is the point. Sports/esports are not about scoring points or winning or losing. They are simply a form of entertainment. If your audience are entertained and interested, you've succeeded, and if not, you've failed. As long as Blizzcon is 100% korean, I don't see how it or the SC2 esports scene is ever supposed to grow and appeal beyond a hardcore fanbase like here on TL. Well for me It's about the competition so we fundamentally disagree. | ||
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iamcaustic
Canada1509 Posts
On October 31 2014 12:21 Waxangel wrote: There are no region restrictions on GSL and or SpoTV tournaments, with players from any region able to compete. This is a weird statement. Korean tournaments have always had inherent region lock by forcing players to take up residence in Korea for an extended period of time, due to their offline nature at all stages (qualifiers, dual tournament/Code A, main tournament/Code S). I guess this is more to let international players know that they're still welcome to come to Korea and take part? In comparison, NA/EU need some sort of proof of residency, right? | ||
stuchiu
Fiddler's Green42661 Posts
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brickrd
United States4894 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:54 Evil_Sheep wrote: yet another person incapable of believing that anyone could think differently or not be blindly hyped by foreign presence. you're just saying things that you want to be true as if they're fact. if the community wanted foreigners vs Koreans or to watch more foreigners in general then the viewers would demonstrate that. shoutcraft was a failure and every other foreign oriented tournament has ranged from shitty to gimmicky to forgettable The reasons I mentioned have everything to do with why they deserve it. They add value to the tournament and to the SC2 esports scene. That is the point. Sports/esports are not about scoring points or winning or losing. They are simply a form of entertainment. If your audience are entertained and interested, you've succeeded, and if not, you've failed. As long as Blizzcon is 100% korean, I don't see how it or the SC2 esports scene is ever supposed to grow and appeal beyond a hardcore fanbase like here on TL. i love foreigners but there is no point in watching them lose 100% to far better players. it's not hype with zero chance. naniwa was hype because he actually had a chance which he proved by winning games, not by whining about his nationality and asking for handouts. scarlett and snute cause moderate hype for the same reason. but if they can't rack up the points or take home trophies they don't belong at elite competitions | ||
lichter
1001 YEARS KESPAJAIL22272 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:56 stuchiu wrote: Why bother with SC2 at all. We should just cage Naniwa, Idra, Stephano and Nerchio in a cage and have them fight with bananas while CatzPajamas commentates outside the thunderdome. oh kevin knocke i miss your sweet sweet voice | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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Peanutdog
United States28 Posts
On October 31 2014 14:09 Shinespark wrote: Does no one care that the GSL's prize pool is dropping by ~40% ? I wouldn't be completely against it if that means gsl is no longer 'wcs korea', which is sort of what it sounds like | ||
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
On October 31 2014 14:16 Peanutdog wrote: I wouldn't be completely against it if that means gsl is no longer 'wcs korea', which is sort of what it sounds like GSL hasn't been "WCS Korea" since the start of 2014. But it's just a name, who cares? | ||
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Shinespark
Chile843 Posts
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pure.Wasted
Canada4701 Posts
On October 31 2014 13:48 brickrd wrote: so foreigners = viewers? i guess that's why tournaments specifically put together to showcase the best foreign talent and pit them against koreans have been so MASSIVELY successful and celebrated, right? you're making the common mistake of "i would watch for foreigners, therefore a commercially viable majority of people must obviously think the same way i think" and none of these arguments explains why blizzcon should have foreigners... like someone pointed out its not meant to be an international cup to represent nations, its a finals for the top tournament performers of the year as defined by the wcs system. you can debate whether MC and Hyun fit the spirit of the event (i personally do since they've made a huge impact on the scene though their travel and performance) but there is no argument that blizzcon was conceived of or I'd obligated to function as a charity for substandard players. people bitch that mc/hyun aren't "good enough" but at least they accrued points legitimately using the system available to them. foreigners can't win shit with or without flawed wcs point distribution so why throw them into tournaments for free? if your claims that it would create hype and esports dollars were correct then the community would have already proven it I'm with you on the foreigners issue, but I'd rather see 12 KR players and 4 legitimate foreigners who get knocked out in 3-0 and 3-1 sweeps than the situation we have now, which is 16 Koreans, but about half of them would shrivel up and die if placed in a room with Maru, Rain, or soO. It'll get more foreign fans watching and it'll lead to a more fair skill distribution overall. | ||
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Yakikorosu
1203 Posts
On October 31 2014 14:20 Shinespark wrote: Besides the prize pool of the GSL drastically dropping, the last 4 finals have been held in the studio. This is terrible news. Why? It makes sense to hold them in the studio because booking event venues that would end up 50% empty was ridiculous. Better to have full studios than half-empty audience halls. Yes, the prize pool for GSL is decreasing, but the prize pool for Korean individual tournaments (adding together the SpoTV and GSL tournaments) is higher. And we'll have Proleague again, and possibly another KeSPA Cup and GSL Global Tournament and there's still Hot6ix Cup this year... it actually seems like SC2 is slowly growing in Korea instead of slowly shrinking as it was for years. | ||
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Garnet
Vietnam9033 Posts
On October 31 2014 12:27 Jett.Jack.Alvir wrote: Ouch. It would be fucked up if soO actually won silver in every single WCS related tournament. He would be immortalized as the Kong. He already is. The Kong line should be renamed to The soO line. | ||
peanuts
United States1225 Posts
Also super hype, because it gives Sora more events to go to and assert himself as the God of Protoss. | ||
Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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SlammerIV
United States526 Posts
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OtherWorld
France17333 Posts
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