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AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
October 31 2014 14:36 GMT
#201
On October 31 2014 23:33 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 23:29 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On October 31 2014 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:
OK, so if we recapitulate :

- GSL stays the equivalent of WCS KR but has no region lock.
- SpoTV runs a parallel tournament that awards WCS points and has no region lock either.
- Open WCS points worthy events are to be run in Korea.

This is excellent news. The "no lock" will even cement Korea's status of eSports Mecca : since KR region awards so many points, foreigners who really want to thrive and maximize their chance for Blizzcon should consider playing those Korean tournaments. Many we'll see Scarlett or Bunny try for NaNiwa/Jinro like runs ! Foreigners in GSL, the temple of eSports, was always one of the things I found the most exciting. I repeat it because I'm so excited, this is awesome news.


Eh... GSL is still effectively region locked since you have to be in Korea to compete at all levels of the tournament. And I absolutely do not see any foreigners trying to make a run there since WCS NA and EU are going to be FAR easier.

That's always been the case and foreigners have still tried. Naturally the larger the gap in skill level the less likely that is but someone like Scarlett can certainly make an attempt. Naniwa stated many times he tried in Korea because he wanted to compete against the best. He could have made more money elsewhere.

Surely now since all the Koreans will stay in KR the skill gap will only get bigger again
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 15:30:08
October 31 2014 14:43 GMT
#202
All of this stuff was sorely needed. Preventing Koreans from playing tournaments that they deserve to win (because they're better than foreigners) was going to cause huge whiplash as players returned to an oversaturated and underfunded Korean scene. Mass retirements would have followed of that I have no doubt and Proleague is certainly not an option for many players.

Futures looking brighter for Korea and so it should be. The best should be rewarded.
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
October 31 2014 14:44 GMT
#203
korean scene taking the right way
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 31 2014 14:46 GMT
#204
On October 31 2014 23:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:
All of this stuff was sorely needed. Preventing Koreans from playing tournaments that deserve to win (because they're better than foreigners) was going to cause huge whiplash as players returned to an oversaturated and underfunded Korean scene. Mass retirements would have followed of that I have no doubt and Proleague is certainly not an option for many players.

Futures looking brighter for Korea and so it should be. The best should be rewarded.


Couldn't agree more TB. One can hope we'll see some foreigners try for korean tournament runs now that there's more there for them, but I doubt it with how easy they can make money elsewhere.
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FFW_Rude
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France10201 Posts
October 31 2014 14:49 GMT
#205
On October 31 2014 23:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:
All of this stuff was sorely needed. Preventing Koreans from playing tournaments that deserve to win (because they're better than foreigners) was going to cause huge whiplash as players returned to an oversaturated and underfunded Korean scene. Mass retirements would have followed of that I have no doubt and Proleague is certainly not an option for many players.

Futures looking brighter for Korea and so it should be. The best should be rewarded.


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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
October 31 2014 14:53 GMT
#206
Loving this. Finally a quasi OSL/MSL format for SC2; very exciting.
I wonder how many second-places Stork will grab in the near future.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 31 2014 15:01 GMT
#207
On October 31 2014 23:53 IntoTheheart wrote:
Loving this. Finally a quasi OSL/MSL format for SC2; very exciting.
I wonder how many second-places Stork will grab in the near future.

Not as many as soO will next year.
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
October 31 2014 15:22 GMT
#208
On October 31 2014 23:31 Yakikorosu wrote:
Not really region locked because the region locked regions (EU and AM) now require actual legal resident status. In Korea you just have to fly in and find someone to stay with. Not simple but obviously much easier than becoming a resident of Korea.


The Korean playerbase is pretty much the region lock. It's the same as in physical sports. The top leagues don't have any restrictions on the amount of foreigners but the lesser leagues do.
Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
October 31 2014 15:41 GMT
#209
Good. Creating more events in Korea has always been the only sensible solution to both the Koreans in Korea not getting any WCS points/prize money and "foreign Koreans" hoovering up all the foreign points and money.
The_Red_Viper
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
19533 Posts
October 31 2014 15:47 GMT
#210
While i agree that more tournaments is nice, the money basically stays the same no?
One GSL and one Spotv tournaments together is only a little bit more money than one gsl before.
Obviously players now have more chances to earn money, that is great, but meh.

I guess i have to wait till we know exactly what "Additionally, Blizzard has announced that outside GSL and SpoTV's "regular" tournaments, there will be several more WCS-point giving tournaments held in Korea." this means.
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JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 16:14:44
October 31 2014 15:47 GMT
#211
On October 31 2014 23:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:
All of this stuff was sorely needed. Preventing Koreans from playing tournaments that they deserve to win (because they're better than foreigners) was going to cause huge whiplash as players returned to an oversaturated and underfunded Korean scene. Mass retirements would have followed of that I have no doubt and Proleague is certainly not an option for many players.

Futures looking brighter for Korea and so it should be. The best should be rewarded.


Wtf, tournaments are really doing that...? Unbelievable... O.o

Looking at the past IEMs and DHs, the players in the first few stages look - no offense - a bit underwhelming. I have a hard time imagining that the organizers ignored some Koreans players in favor of them. :o
Thax
Profile Joined July 2014
Belgium1060 Posts
October 31 2014 16:10 GMT
#212
On November 01 2014 00:47 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 23:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:
All of this stuff was sorely needed. Preventing Koreans from playing tournaments that they deserve to win (because they're better than foreigners) was going to cause huge whiplash as players returned to an oversaturated and underfunded Korean scene. Mass retirements would have followed of that I have no doubt and Proleague is certainly not an option for many players.

Futures looking brighter for Korea and so it should be. The best should be rewarded.


Wtf, tournaments are really doing that...? Unbelievable... O.o

Looking at the past IEMs and DHs, the players in the first few stages look - no offense - a bit underwhelming. I have a hart time imagining that the organizers ignored some Koreans players in favor of them. :o


He is referring too (I believe) the WCS region locks. IEMs and especially DHs always have a lot of local players, which is important for the local scenes. It's also why I think the region locks are a good thing and so is the extra investment in the Korean scene.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
October 31 2014 16:20 GMT
#213
On November 01 2014 01:10 Thax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 01 2014 00:47 JustPassingBy wrote:
On October 31 2014 23:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:
All of this stuff was sorely needed. Preventing Koreans from playing tournaments that they deserve to win (because they're better than foreigners) was going to cause huge whiplash as players returned to an oversaturated and underfunded Korean scene. Mass retirements would have followed of that I have no doubt and Proleague is certainly not an option for many players.

Futures looking brighter for Korea and so it should be. The best should be rewarded.


Wtf, tournaments are really doing that...? Unbelievable... O.o

Looking at the past IEMs and DHs, the players in the first few stages look - no offense - a bit underwhelming. I have a hart time imagining that the organizers ignored some Koreans players in favor of them. :o


He is referring too (I believe) the WCS region locks. IEMs and especially DHs always have a lot of local players, which is important for the local scenes. It's also why I think the region locks are a good thing and so is the extra investment in the Korean scene.


I see, that makes sense. Personally, I also would've preferred if WCS would become more like GSL with matches in a live studio over an extended period of time instead of a region lock. I wonder whether that would be viable in Europe. :-/
Ace Frehley
Profile Joined December 2012
2030 Posts
October 31 2014 16:44 GMT
#214
I'm not so sure this will help the koreans being kicked out of WCS AM/EU

I expect the same people playing in code S and Spotv tournament (as well as Kespa cup).
Mid tier Koreans who were spanking foreigners for 2014 will have a hard time to even qualify (the same way they couldn't even touch IEM paid trip slots)
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JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17147 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-31 16:54:11
October 31 2014 16:54 GMT
#215
On November 01 2014 00:22 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2014 23:31 Yakikorosu wrote:
Not really region locked because the region locked regions (EU and AM) now require actual legal resident status. In Korea you just have to fly in and find someone to stay with. Not simple but obviously much easier than becoming a resident of Korea.


The Korean playerbase is pretty much the region lock. It's the same as in physical sports. The top leagues don't have any restrictions on the amount of foreigners but the lesser leagues do.


+1.

in canadian minor hockey there are 2 types of leagues.

"male/female" leagues
and
"female only" leagues

there is no whining about "men's rights" because beyond a certain age no women play in the "Male/Female" league.
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jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
October 31 2014 17:09 GMT
#216
Korea definitely needed more tournaments, this is excellent news, sc2 passion revival hype
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DogofWar_
Profile Blog Joined October 2014
United States8 Posts
October 31 2014 17:36 GMT
#217
A lot of new opportunity for Korean players I see... Awesome!
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shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
October 31 2014 18:59 GMT
#218
Very nice, more big tournaments in korea is what everyone has been looking for.
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SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
October 31 2014 19:00 GMT
#219
The only downside to this is now there's just more tournaments that are gonna be at times when I have to be asleep
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Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
October 31 2014 20:46 GMT
#220
so basically 3*15M won more in the korean scene, whcih is less than 1 additional gsl season. hmm...
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