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On October 31 2014 23:33 gruff wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 23:29 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On October 31 2014 23:26 [PkF] Wire wrote:
OK, so if we recapitulate :
- GSL stays the equivalent of WCS KR but has no region lock.
- SpoTV runs a parallel tournament that awards WCS points and has no region lock either.
- Open WCS points worthy events are to be run in Korea.
This is excellent news. The "no lock" will even cement Korea's status of eSports Mecca : since KR region awards so many points, foreigners who really want to thrive and maximize their chance for Blizzcon should consider playing those Korean tournaments. Many we'll see Scarlett or Bunny try for NaNiwa/Jinro like runs ! Foreigners in GSL, the temple of eSports, was always one of the things I found the most exciting. I repeat it because I'm so excited, this is awesome news. Eh... GSL is still effectively region locked since you have to be in Korea to compete at all levels of the tournament. And I absolutely do not see any foreigners trying to make a run there since WCS NA and EU are going to be FAR easier. That's always been the case and foreigners have still tried. Naturally the larger the gap in skill level the less likely that is but someone like Scarlett can certainly make an attempt. Naniwa stated many times he tried in Korea because he wanted to compete against the best. He could have made more money elsewhere.
Surely now since all the Koreans will stay in KR the skill gap will only get bigger again
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All of this stuff was sorely needed. Preventing Koreans from playing tournaments that they deserve to win (because they're better than foreigners) was going to cause huge whiplash as players returned to an oversaturated and underfunded Korean scene. Mass retirements would have followed of that I have no doubt and Proleague is certainly not an option for many players.
Futures looking brighter for Korea and so it should be. The best should be rewarded.
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korean scene taking the right way
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On October 31 2014 23:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:
All of this stuff was sorely needed. Preventing Koreans from playing tournaments that deserve to win (because they're better than foreigners) was going to cause huge whiplash as players returned to an oversaturated and underfunded Korean scene. Mass retirements would have followed of that I have no doubt and Proleague is certainly not an option for many players.
Futures looking brighter for Korea and so it should be. The best should be rewarded.
Couldn't agree more TB. One can hope we'll see some foreigners try for korean tournament runs now that there's more there for them, but I doubt it with how easy they can make money elsewhere.
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On October 31 2014 23:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:
All of this stuff was sorely needed. Preventing Koreans from playing tournaments that deserve to win (because they're better than foreigners) was going to cause huge whiplash as players returned to an oversaturated and underfunded Korean scene. Mass retirements would have followed of that I have no doubt and Proleague is certainly not an option for many players.
Futures looking brighter for Korea and so it should be. The best should be rewarded.
Happy to see you in good form and always on point !
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Loving this. Finally a quasi OSL/MSL format for SC2; very exciting.
I wonder how many second-places Stork will grab in the near future.
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On October 31 2014 23:53 IntoTheheart wrote:
Loving this. Finally a quasi OSL/MSL format for SC2; very exciting.
I wonder how many second-places Stork will grab in the near future.
Not as many as soO will next year.
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On October 31 2014 23:31 Yakikorosu wrote:
Not really region locked because the region locked regions (EU and AM) now require actual legal resident status. In Korea you just have to fly in and find someone to stay with. Not simple but obviously much easier than becoming a resident of Korea.
The Korean playerbase is pretty much the region lock. It's the same as in physical sports. The top leagues don't have any restrictions on the amount of foreigners but the lesser leagues do.
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Good. Creating more events in Korea has always been the only sensible solution to both the Koreans in Korea not getting any WCS points/prize money and "foreign Koreans" hoovering up all the foreign points and money.
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While i agree that more tournaments is nice, the money basically stays the same no?
One GSL and one Spotv tournaments together is only a little bit more money than one gsl before.
Obviously players now have more chances to earn money, that is great, but meh.
I guess i have to wait till we know exactly what "Additionally, Blizzard has announced that outside GSL and SpoTV's "regular" tournaments, there will be several more WCS-point giving tournaments held in Korea." this means.
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On October 31 2014 23:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:
All of this stuff was sorely needed. Preventing Koreans from playing tournaments that they deserve to win (because they're better than foreigners) was going to cause huge whiplash as players returned to an oversaturated and underfunded Korean scene. Mass retirements would have followed of that I have no doubt and Proleague is certainly not an option for many players.
Futures looking brighter for Korea and so it should be. The best should be rewarded.
Wtf, tournaments are really doing that...? Unbelievable... O.o
Looking at the past IEMs and DHs, the players in the first few stages look - no offense - a bit underwhelming. I have a hard time imagining that the organizers ignored some Koreans players in favor of them. :o
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On November 01 2014 00:47 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 23:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:
All of this stuff was sorely needed. Preventing Koreans from playing tournaments that they deserve to win (because they're better than foreigners) was going to cause huge whiplash as players returned to an oversaturated and underfunded Korean scene. Mass retirements would have followed of that I have no doubt and Proleague is certainly not an option for many players.
Futures looking brighter for Korea and so it should be. The best should be rewarded. Wtf, tournaments are really doing that...? Unbelievable... O.o Looking at the past IEMs and DHs, the players in the first few stages look - no offense - a bit underwhelming. I have a hart time imagining that the organizers ignored some Koreans players in favor of them. :o
He is referring too (I believe) the WCS region locks. IEMs and especially DHs always have a lot of local players, which is important for the local scenes. It's also why I think the region locks are a good thing and so is the extra investment in the Korean scene.
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On November 01 2014 01:10 Thax wrote:Show nested quote +On November 01 2014 00:47 JustPassingBy wrote:On October 31 2014 23:43 TotalBiscuit wrote:
All of this stuff was sorely needed. Preventing Koreans from playing tournaments that they deserve to win (because they're better than foreigners) was going to cause huge whiplash as players returned to an oversaturated and underfunded Korean scene. Mass retirements would have followed of that I have no doubt and Proleague is certainly not an option for many players.
Futures looking brighter for Korea and so it should be. The best should be rewarded. Wtf, tournaments are really doing that...? Unbelievable... O.o Looking at the past IEMs and DHs, the players in the first few stages look - no offense - a bit underwhelming. I have a hart time imagining that the organizers ignored some Koreans players in favor of them. :o He is referring too (I believe) the WCS region locks. IEMs and especially DHs always have a lot of local players, which is important for the local scenes. It's also why I think the region locks are a good thing and so is the extra investment in the Korean scene.
I see, that makes sense. Personally, I also would've preferred if WCS would become more like GSL with matches in a live studio over an extended period of time instead of a region lock. I wonder whether that would be viable in Europe. :-/
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I'm not so sure this will help the koreans being kicked out of WCS AM/EU
I expect the same people playing in code S and Spotv tournament (as well as Kespa cup).
Mid tier Koreans who were spanking foreigners for 2014 will have a hard time to even qualify (the same way they couldn't even touch IEM paid trip slots)
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On November 01 2014 00:22 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2014 23:31 Yakikorosu wrote:
Not really region locked because the region locked regions (EU and AM) now require actual legal resident status. In Korea you just have to fly in and find someone to stay with. Not simple but obviously much easier than becoming a resident of Korea. The Korean playerbase is pretty much the region lock. It's the same as in physical sports. The top leagues don't have any restrictions on the amount of foreigners but the lesser leagues do.
+1.
in canadian minor hockey there are 2 types of leagues.
"male/female" leagues
and
"female only" leagues
there is no whining about "men's rights" because beyond a certain age no women play in the "Male/Female" league.
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Korea definitely needed more tournaments, this is excellent news, sc2 passion revival hype
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A lot of new opportunity for Korean players I see... Awesome!
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Very nice, more big tournaments in korea is what everyone has been looking for.
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The only downside to this is now there's just more tournaments that are gonna be at times when I have to be asleep 
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so basically 3*15M won more in the korean scene, whcih is less than 1 additional gsl season. hmm...
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EPT
