• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 01:06
CEST 07:06
KST 14:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists14[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt2: News Flash10[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy21
Community News
2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers11Maestros of the Game 2 announced32026 GSL Tour plans announced11Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail1MaNa leaves Team Liquid21
StarCraft 2
General
MaNa leaves Team Liquid 2026 GSL Tour plans announced Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Weekly Cups (April 6-12): herO doubles, "Villains" prevail Oliveira Would Have Returned If EWC Continued
Tourneys
GSL CK: More events planned pending crowdfunding 2026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2) SEL Doubles (SC Evo Bimonthly)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 520 Moving Fees Mutation # 519 Inner Power
Brood War
General
Data needed ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Pros React To: Tulbo in Ro.16 Group A RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [ASL21] Ro16 Group A [ASL21] Ro16 Group B
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend? Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Battle Aces/David Kim RTS Megathread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Starcraft Tabletop Miniature Game
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion Cricket [SPORT]
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Reappraising The Situation T…
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1840 users

Season 4 Ladder Map Pool: Voting Begins! - Page 37

Forum Index > SC2 General
1068 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 35 36 37 38 39 54 Next
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
October 13 2014 22:49 GMT
#721
I dont know why Cloud Kingdom was so popular. Totally not looking forward to Blink allins, tempest and broodlords.
althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
October 13 2014 23:27 GMT
#722
On October 14 2014 07:49 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
I dont know why Cloud Kingdom was so popular. Totally not looking forward to Blink allins, tempest and broodlords.

Probably because it was quite balanced. It allowed a lot of different play-styles (Protoss and Terran could both either apply early pressure or early expand safely, Zerg could either macro up or try to prevent the third) and promoted multi-tasking (multi-pronged drops for example were quite powerful). It also had a sizable defender's advantage, meaning falling behind didn't spell instant death. Plus we saw some of the greatest games of all time on it because although there were plenty of expansions, later ones forced you to be quite spread out, opening up harassment opportunities or to expand towards your opponent, forcing constant conflict.

Definitely the best map we've had in SC2 so far.
The first rule we don't talk about race conditions. of race conditions is
starslayer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States696 Posts
October 13 2014 23:28 GMT
#723
On October 14 2014 07:42 geokilla wrote:
Soul Train is pretty good against Terran too. I don't understand why Protoss doesn't use it more against Terran.


IMO its actually the one allin i dont mind facing vs toss. ez to scout,and really only one stop to worry about your front so a couple bunkers and repairs and once you get meds is over. i actually find my self smiling when i see a immortal allins. obv i haven't stopped every single one but again IMO ez to hold. and if were talking about ohana its even better they have to go up a ramp, say on overgrowth then a little harder.
i came here to kickass and chew bubblegum and i'm all out of bubble gum
starslayer
Profile Joined August 2011
United States696 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-13 23:34:07
October 13 2014 23:32 GMT
#724
On October 14 2014 08:27 althaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 07:49 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
I dont know why Cloud Kingdom was so popular. Totally not looking forward to Blink allins, tempest and broodlords.

Probably because it was quite balanced. It allowed a lot of different play-styles (Protoss and Terran could both either apply early pressure or early expand safely, Zerg could either macro up or try to prevent the third) and promoted multi-tasking (multi-pronged drops for example were quite powerful). It also had a sizable defender's advantage, meaning falling behind didn't spell instant death. Plus we saw some of the greatest games of all time on it because although there were plenty of expansions, later ones forced you to be quite spread out, opening up harassment opportunities or to expand towards your opponent, forcing constant conflict.

Definitely the best map we've had in SC2 so far.


cant agree more, saw this post and remember a lot of fun games myself, you can go mech or bio as terran aggro or defensive depending on third you take, zerg can go muta bane, or roach hydra and feel comfortable, and toss can macro,pressure ,allin and great FF map. all in all fun map can't wait to see todays meta on it (besides SH lol can you see nat to third omg..with good creep).
i came here to kickass and chew bubblegum and i'm all out of bubble gum
[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 14 2014 06:30 GMT
#725
I always liked the layout of CK, I just hated how dark the map was. Felt more like purgatory than clouds.
Нас зовет дух отцов, память старых бойцов, дух Москвы и твердыня Полтавы
Meavis
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Netherlands1300 Posts
October 14 2014 06:51 GMT
#726
On October 14 2014 08:27 althaz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 07:49 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
I dont know why Cloud Kingdom was so popular. Totally not looking forward to Blink allins, tempest and broodlords.

Probably because it was quite balanced. It allowed a lot of different play-styles (Protoss and Terran could both either apply early pressure or early expand safely, Zerg could either macro up or try to prevent the third) and promoted multi-tasking (multi-pronged drops for example were quite powerful). It also had a sizable defender's advantage, meaning falling behind didn't spell instant death. Plus we saw some of the greatest games of all time on it because although there were plenty of expansions, later ones forced you to be quite spread out, opening up harassment opportunities or to expand towards your opponent, forcing constant conflict.

Definitely the best map we've had in SC2 so far.


keyword
"Not you."
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
October 14 2014 06:51 GMT
#727
On October 14 2014 06:53 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 06:19 Gwavajuice wrote:
Okay this is fun and all, but we ll see shakura's plateau, right guys?

I mean I can't be the only one who wants to bring it back :/


Indeed you're not, I always thought that map would be one of the only really early maps that would be worth a try in the modern meta. The only attack path will probably end up being a problem in some circumstances but overall I'm pretty sure this would make a solid map.


I voted for Shakuras Plateau as well...
LoneYoShi
Profile Blog Joined June 2014
France1348 Posts
October 14 2014 06:52 GMT
#728
Btw, could anyone update the OP so it includes the results (which maps have been announced to be in the #Dreampool, how many are still to be announced, etc) ?
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
October 14 2014 10:07 GMT
#729
On October 14 2014 06:10 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 04:54 Zheryn wrote:
On October 14 2014 04:33 SatedSC2 wrote:
On October 14 2014 04:10 Mozdk wrote:
On October 14 2014 03:39 digmouse wrote:
Ohana and Forcefields :D


Hydras have been buffed since Ohana.

You have a 9 minute Hydralisk build that doesn't die to other things..?

What soul train hits at 9 min? Or are you talking about other builds?

I open with a standard MSC expand and I can have 3 Immortals and a bunch of Sentries ready by about ~8:45. 7 Gateways. I imagine if you open with a Nexus/Gate or Gate/Nexus then you can hit with a similar (if not faster) timing-attack. Hydralisks are not the answer to Soul Train builds unless the Protoss opens 3/4 Gate pressure -> Soul Train.


Is that on 4 gas? That sounds ridiculous fast opening with the least greedy opener! Got a BO/VOD or replay for that version I could look at?
hundred thousand krouner
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
October 14 2014 15:11 GMT
#730
--- Nuked ---
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
October 14 2014 17:53 GMT
#731
On October 15 2014 00:11 SatedSC2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 19:07 Zheryn wrote:
On October 14 2014 06:10 SatedSC2 wrote:
On October 14 2014 04:54 Zheryn wrote:
On October 14 2014 04:33 SatedSC2 wrote:
On October 14 2014 04:10 Mozdk wrote:
On October 14 2014 03:39 digmouse wrote:
Ohana and Forcefields :D


Hydras have been buffed since Ohana.

You have a 9 minute Hydralisk build that doesn't die to other things..?

What soul train hits at 9 min? Or are you talking about other builds?

I open with a standard MSC expand and I can have 3 Immortals and a bunch of Sentries ready by about ~8:45. 7 Gateways. I imagine if you open with a Nexus/Gate or Gate/Nexus then you can hit with a similar (if not faster) timing-attack. Hydralisks are not the answer to Soul Train builds unless the Protoss opens 3/4 Gate pressure -> Soul Train.

Is that on 4 gas? That sounds ridiculous fast opening with the least greedy opener! Got a BO/VOD or replay for that version I could look at?

I'll see if I have any decent replays saved when I get home. I was going to post a VOD from a clan war were I used it to beat a GM Zerg on Overgrowth, but the Twitch channel doesn't have VODs saved T_T


Ah that's annoying. A replay would be awesome if you can find any! :-]
hundred thousand krouner
Digitalz1
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada72 Posts
October 14 2014 18:10 GMT
#732
OHANA CONFIRMED ! i think this is a pretty fun map, not a fan of the rocks for taking a third as zerg vs terran gets greasy with hellion reaper attacking it early on queens gotta mission down the ramp and around + you risk losing them if u take third at standard time??
SatedSC2
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
England3012 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-14 18:20:32
October 14 2014 18:15 GMT
#733
--- Nuked ---
Mozdk
Profile Joined October 2010
Denmark6989 Posts
October 14 2014 18:21 GMT
#734
On October 14 2014 07:42 geokilla wrote:
Soul Train is pretty good against Terran too. I don't understand why Protoss doesn't use it more against Terran.


Because it's not the same build.

It is good if you hit in time. It's not great if scouted. And it's weak to a lot of early stuff.
"It's really hard to Protoss" - White-Ra |||| "Apedts are dfucking amazing" - Lorning
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
October 14 2014 18:21 GMT
#735
On October 15 2014 03:10 Digitalz1 wrote:
OHANA CONFIRMED ! i think this is a pretty fun map, not a fan of the rocks for taking a third as zerg vs terran gets greasy with hellion reaper attacking it early on queens gotta mission down the ramp and around + you risk losing them if u take third at standard time??

No clue how you should hold a 4th on Ohana against paradepushing. It was hard enough in WoL to take it after infestors were out...
Also I used to Raventurtle in WoL on it. Dont want to play against guaranteed 5base Mech with only 5bases on my own.
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
October 15 2014 16:08 GMT
#736
Excited for what the next map could be! Been a little bit surprised so far.I think it could be TDA or Whirlwind, but I hope for Habitation Station or Bel'Shir!
hundred thousand krouner
[PkF] Wire
Profile Joined March 2013
France24238 Posts
October 15 2014 16:16 GMT
#737
On October 16 2014 01:08 Zheryn wrote:
Excited for what the next map could be! Been a little bit surprised so far.I think it could be TDA or Whirlwind, but I hope for Habitation Station or Bel'Shir!


The same maps as me ! If Bel'shir could be in, I'll be so happy. Man, we should be pals !
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-15 16:35:41
October 15 2014 16:34 GMT
#738
On October 14 2014 15:52 LoneYoShi wrote:
Btw, could anyone update the OP so it includes the results (which maps have been announced to be in the #Dreampool, how many are still to be announced, etc) ?


I second this. We need a centralized location of the overall list, and there's no reason it can't be the place where all the discussion has already been happening.

As far as my preferences, I'm still (desperately but probably futilely) hoping for Neo Planet S...
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
October 15 2014 16:52 GMT
#739
On October 16 2014 01:16 [PkF] Wire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2014 01:08 Zheryn wrote:
Excited for what the next map could be! Been a little bit surprised so far.I think it could be TDA or Whirlwind, but I hope for Habitation Station or Bel'Shir!


The same maps as me ! If Bel'shir could be in, I'll be so happy. Man, we should be pals !

Make it B'S Beach and I'm in. :-)
Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-10-16 17:15:42
October 16 2014 17:13 GMT
#740


What does this MEAN!?!

Habitation Station, Scarlett vs Bomber, pls...
hundred thousand krouner
Prev 1 35 36 37 38 39 54 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Korean StarCraft League
03:00
Week 88
CranKy Ducklings161
davetesta44
Liquipedia
The PiG Daily
22:15
Best Games of SC
Rogue vs MaxPax
Maru vs Zoun
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs TBD
PiGStarcraft301
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft: Brood War
scan(afreeca) 562
Pusan 97
Backho 74
Bale 51
Sacsri 27
Aegong 23
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm169
League of Legends
JimRising 712
Counter-Strike
m0e_tv421
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox613
Mew2King35
Other Games
summit1g11282
tarik_tv3800
C9.Mang0433
WinterStarcraft401
PiGStarcraft301
Trikslyr145
RuFF_SC295
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick983
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH285
• HKG_Chickenman51
• practicex 20
• Response 8
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP4
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• sooper7s
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• Kozan
• intothetv
• AfreecaTV YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 45
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo979
• Stunt397
Upcoming Events
CranKy Ducklings
4h 54m
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5h 54m
SC Evo League
8h 24m
IPSL
10h 54m
WolFix vs nOmaD
dxtr13 vs Razz
BSL
13h 54m
UltrA vs KwarK
Gosudark vs cavapoo
dxtr13 vs HBO
Doodle vs Razz
Patches Events
16h 54m
CranKy Ducklings
18h 54m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 4h
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
1d 5h
Ladder Legends
1d 9h
[ Show More ]
BSL
1d 13h
StRyKeR vs rasowy
Artosis vs Aether
JDConan vs OyAji
Hawk vs izu
IPSL
1d 13h
JDConan vs TBD
Aegong vs rasowy
Replay Cast
2 days
Wardi Open
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Bisu vs Ample
Jaedong vs Flash
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
RSL Revival
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
Barracks vs Leta
Royal vs Light
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
3 days
RSL Revival
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
KCM Race Survival
5 days
WardiTV Map Contest Tou…
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W3
RSL Revival: Season 4
NationLESS Cup

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S2: W4
Acropolis #4
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
2026 GSL S2
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.