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On August 20 2014 06:10 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 03:52 Mattidute wrote:On August 20 2014 03:26 Xiphos wrote:On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.
Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan Even Samsung would be to hard for them with Dear, Stork, RorO, Shine, Reality, Solar and Hurricane and the only player on Axiom-Acer that understands how to prepare in Proleague due to experience is Innovation. Wasn't the season Axiom-Acer won GSTL when they had both proleague and winner's league formats? You're last point is completely false. Hell Axiom-Acer even went 4-0 that round too
Yup, we did. I like to rub that fact in the face of people that claim it was all Innovations work. We didn't even have MMA for the proleague format round because he was in Europe and we still 4-0ed it. Proleague format suits a well-rounded deep roster better than all-kill. We don't have the superstars some of these other teams do but we have a consistent strong roster that prepares well for teamleagues. ATC, a format that favours top-heavy teams, was unfortunately not a friendly environment for our team to compete in.
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On August 20 2014 11:37 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 06:10 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 20 2014 03:52 Mattidute wrote:On August 20 2014 03:26 Xiphos wrote:On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.
Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan Even Samsung would be to hard for them with Dear, Stork, RorO, Shine, Reality, Solar and Hurricane and the only player on Axiom-Acer that understands how to prepare in Proleague due to experience is Innovation. Wasn't the season Axiom-Acer won GSTL when they had both proleague and winner's league formats? You're last point is completely false. Hell Axiom-Acer even went 4-0 that round too Yup, we did. I like to rub that fact in the face of people that claim it was all Innovations work. We didn't even have MMA for the proleague format round because he was in Europe and we still 4-0ed it. Proleague format suits a well-rounded deep roster better than all-kill. We don't have the superstars some of these other teams do but we have a consistent strong roster that prepares well for teamleagues. ATC, a format that favours top-heavy teams, was unfortunately not a friendly environment for our team to compete in.
If you guys were to hypothetically compete in next proleague would you recruit additional players or just rely on the strength of the guys you have?
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On August 20 2014 11:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 11:37 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 20 2014 06:10 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 20 2014 03:52 Mattidute wrote:On August 20 2014 03:26 Xiphos wrote:On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.
Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan Even Samsung would be to hard for them with Dear, Stork, RorO, Shine, Reality, Solar and Hurricane and the only player on Axiom-Acer that understands how to prepare in Proleague due to experience is Innovation. Wasn't the season Axiom-Acer won GSTL when they had both proleague and winner's league formats? You're last point is completely false. Hell Axiom-Acer even went 4-0 that round too Yup, we did. I like to rub that fact in the face of people that claim it was all Innovations work. We didn't even have MMA for the proleague format round because he was in Europe and we still 4-0ed it. Proleague format suits a well-rounded deep roster better than all-kill. We don't have the superstars some of these other teams do but we have a consistent strong roster that prepares well for teamleagues. ATC, a format that favours top-heavy teams, was unfortunately not a friendly environment for our team to compete in. If you guys were to hypothetically compete in next proleague would you recruit additional players or just rely on the strength of the guys you have?
Hypothetically I'd probably want at least 7 and those would most likely come from an alliance. I can't afford more players right now.
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On August 20 2014 11:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 11:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 20 2014 11:37 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 20 2014 06:10 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 20 2014 03:52 Mattidute wrote:On August 20 2014 03:26 Xiphos wrote:On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.
Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan Even Samsung would be to hard for them with Dear, Stork, RorO, Shine, Reality, Solar and Hurricane and the only player on Axiom-Acer that understands how to prepare in Proleague due to experience is Innovation. Wasn't the season Axiom-Acer won GSTL when they had both proleague and winner's league formats? You're last point is completely false. Hell Axiom-Acer even went 4-0 that round too Yup, we did. I like to rub that fact in the face of people that claim it was all Innovations work. We didn't even have MMA for the proleague format round because he was in Europe and we still 4-0ed it. Proleague format suits a well-rounded deep roster better than all-kill. We don't have the superstars some of these other teams do but we have a consistent strong roster that prepares well for teamleagues. ATC, a format that favours top-heavy teams, was unfortunately not a friendly environment for our team to compete in. If you guys were to hypothetically compete in next proleague would you recruit additional players or just rely on the strength of the guys you have? Hypothetically I'd probably want at least 7 and those would most likely come from an alliance. I can't afford more players right now.
Team Startale-Axiom incoming?
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On August 20 2014 11:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 11:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 20 2014 11:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 20 2014 11:37 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 20 2014 06:10 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 20 2014 03:52 Mattidute wrote:On August 20 2014 03:26 Xiphos wrote:On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.
Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan Even Samsung would be to hard for them with Dear, Stork, RorO, Shine, Reality, Solar and Hurricane and the only player on Axiom-Acer that understands how to prepare in Proleague due to experience is Innovation. Wasn't the season Axiom-Acer won GSTL when they had both proleague and winner's league formats? You're last point is completely false. Hell Axiom-Acer even went 4-0 that round too Yup, we did. I like to rub that fact in the face of people that claim it was all Innovations work. We didn't even have MMA for the proleague format round because he was in Europe and we still 4-0ed it. Proleague format suits a well-rounded deep roster better than all-kill. We don't have the superstars some of these other teams do but we have a consistent strong roster that prepares well for teamleagues. ATC, a format that favours top-heavy teams, was unfortunately not a friendly environment for our team to compete in. If you guys were to hypothetically compete in next proleague would you recruit additional players or just rely on the strength of the guys you have? Hypothetically I'd probably want at least 7 and those would most likely come from an alliance. I can't afford more players right now. Team Startale-Axiom incoming?
No, AxA! Crank/Ryung/Alicia/Heart/Impact/MMA/Inno with Scarlett+Acer.EU as backup.
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A Liquid - Acer team-up for SPL would make some noise for sure.
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On August 20 2014 13:14 Gaskal wrote:
A Liquid - Acer team-up for SPL would make some noise for sure.
and would never happen. If you seriously think Liquid would truck its Europeans over to Korea with WCS the way it is then you haven't been thinking clearly.
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Yesss!!!! 100% Yesssss!!!! Always wanted GSTL to do this, but I guess proleague is A.O.K too :D. EG/TL/Acer/yoeFW/iG/RooT would love to see these teams in SPL!
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Since everybody wants to piece the best 2-5 foreigner teams together, I say let's have a Maru herO sOs Flash Soulkey Zest team, it would only be fair. Parting Rain Bbyong TY Stats soO for bench warmers.
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I want to see Grubby unleashing his full potential.
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On August 20 2014 03:06 boxerfred wrote:Poll: Fav foreign team in Proleague (in disregard of the actual probability)(Vote): EG
(Vote): Axiom
(Vote): Acer
(Vote): Teamliquid
(Vote): Mouzsports
(Vote): Team Millenium
(Vote): Alien Invasion
(Vote): Newrosoft
(Vote): Gamania Bears
(Vote): Hong Kong eSports (lol, go Sen!)
(Vote): Wayi Spider
(Vote): Allstars Squad
(Vote): Invictus Gaming
Some teams missing, I'm sorry, but I'll repost that to increase votes 
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I was wondering, but maybe it could work if you had 2-3 teams that form alliances? This way the players could rotate every round so that they can also commit on other competitions, and each set of players usually only have to commit to proleague for 1 round.
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France9034 Posts
Please make it happen. If something can greatly boost the scene, it's definitely this.
I would love to see TeamLiquid, Acer, Axiom and EG compete in Proleague again.
First, that would really widen the pool of team and I think this is a good thing.
Second, that might push players to compete even harder and bring new blood to the scene as this is a really different format (and we see that players that are successful in solo leagues aren't necessary as well in teamleague, and the other way around as wel).
Really great news if that happen.
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Proleague is KeSPA players reign. Its already I would dare to say too hard for foreign players to keep up with Koreans on the field of their own strength - the fast moving grid in a tournament. The strength of KeSPA players is preperation so while I'm not counting out all players named no matter which region or team they are from - I dont think they can compete on even terms with the Korean teams.
On August 20 2014 11:37 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 06:10 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 20 2014 03:52 Mattidute wrote:On August 20 2014 03:26 Xiphos wrote:On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.
Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan Even Samsung would be to hard for them with Dear, Stork, RorO, Shine, Reality, Solar and Hurricane and the only player on Axiom-Acer that understands how to prepare in Proleague due to experience is Innovation. Wasn't the season Axiom-Acer won GSTL when they had both proleague and winner's league formats? You're last point is completely false. Hell Axiom-Acer even went 4-0 that round too Yup, we did. I like to rub that fact in the face of people that claim it was all Innovations work. We didn't even have MMA for the proleague format round because he was in Europe and we still 4-0ed it. Proleague format suits a well-rounded deep roster better than all-kill. We don't have the superstars some of these other teams do but we have a consistent strong roster that prepares well for teamleagues. ATC, a format that favours top-heavy teams, was unfortunately not a friendly environment for our team to compete in.
While I believe your players and team isn't getting the credit they deserve I am also not thinking KeSPA players here are getting the credit they deserve. You seem the losing in proleague and there are no 'real superstars' besides the really big names in Proleague. Thats simply because the average level of KeSPA is really high. A deep roster is and will always be important, but your message reads a bit in the direction of KeSPA teams having a few superstars but not a capable roster (a deep one) behind that which is completely wrong if you wanted to say that.
Actually I cannot believe you wanted, but it surely reads like that
Edit: In addition to the general topic. I don't think any foreign team wants to commit in the same fashion as the Korean teams can and will. Foreign events are very important so the roster would not be complete at every time which is very important. You need to be able to prepare and field your players freely. To have such a commitment to proleague simply isn't worth it for most teams. If you add the chances ,that even a good team is not LIKELY to win the proleague in the end I would rather not try and focus on Dreamhack, IEM, WCS and all other tournaments
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On August 20 2014 13:13 klipik12 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 11:59 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 20 2014 11:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 20 2014 11:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 20 2014 11:37 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 20 2014 06:10 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 20 2014 03:52 Mattidute wrote:On August 20 2014 03:26 Xiphos wrote:On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.
Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan Even Samsung would be to hard for them with Dear, Stork, RorO, Shine, Reality, Solar and Hurricane and the only player on Axiom-Acer that understands how to prepare in Proleague due to experience is Innovation. Wasn't the season Axiom-Acer won GSTL when they had both proleague and winner's league formats? You're last point is completely false. Hell Axiom-Acer even went 4-0 that round too Yup, we did. I like to rub that fact in the face of people that claim it was all Innovations work. We didn't even have MMA for the proleague format round because he was in Europe and we still 4-0ed it. Proleague format suits a well-rounded deep roster better than all-kill. We don't have the superstars some of these other teams do but we have a consistent strong roster that prepares well for teamleagues. ATC, a format that favours top-heavy teams, was unfortunately not a friendly environment for our team to compete in. If you guys were to hypothetically compete in next proleague would you recruit additional players or just rely on the strength of the guys you have? Hypothetically I'd probably want at least 7 and those would most likely come from an alliance. I can't afford more players right now. Team Startale-Axiom incoming? No, AxA! Crank/Ryung/Alicia/Heart/Impact/MMA/Inno with Scarlett+Acer.EU as backup.
I think at this point CranK, Ryung, Alicia, Heart, Impact, MMA, INnoVation, Scarlett is most likely.
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On August 20 2014 18:11 NarutO wrote:Proleague is KeSPA players reign. Its already I would dare to say too hard for foreign players to keep up with Koreans on the field of their own strength - the fast moving grid in a tournament. The strength of KeSPA players is preperation so while I'm not counting out all players named no matter which region or team they are from - I dont think they can compete on even terms with the Korean teams. Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 11:37 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 20 2014 06:10 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 20 2014 03:52 Mattidute wrote:On August 20 2014 03:26 Xiphos wrote:On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.
Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan Even Samsung would be to hard for them with Dear, Stork, RorO, Shine, Reality, Solar and Hurricane and the only player on Axiom-Acer that understands how to prepare in Proleague due to experience is Innovation. Wasn't the season Axiom-Acer won GSTL when they had both proleague and winner's league formats? You're last point is completely false. Hell Axiom-Acer even went 4-0 that round too Yup, we did. I like to rub that fact in the face of people that claim it was all Innovations work. We didn't even have MMA for the proleague format round because he was in Europe and we still 4-0ed it. Proleague format suits a well-rounded deep roster better than all-kill. We don't have the superstars some of these other teams do but we have a consistent strong roster that prepares well for teamleagues. ATC, a format that favours top-heavy teams, was unfortunately not a friendly environment for our team to compete in. While I believe your players and team isn't getting the credit they deserve I am also not thinking KeSPA players here are getting the credit they deserve. You seem the losing in proleague and there are no 'real superstars' besides the really big names in Proleague. Thats simply because the average level of KeSPA is really high. A deep roster is and will always be important, but your message reads a bit in the direction of KeSPA teams having a few superstars but not a capable roster (a deep one) behind that which is completely wrong if you wanted to say that.
Actually I cannot believe you wanted, but it surely reads like that Edit: In addition to the general topic. I don't think any foreign team wants to commit in the same fashion as the Korean teams can and will. Foreign events are very important so the roster would not be complete at every time which is very important. You need to be able to prepare and field your players freely. To have such a commitment to proleague simply isn't worth it for most teams. If you add the chances ,that even a good team is not LIKELY to win the proleague in the end I would rather not try and focus on Dreamhack, IEM, WCS and all other tournaments
Do teams like KT Rolster, SKT1, Jin Air and CJ Entus have more depth than Axiom? Yes absolutely. They are teams crammed full of really strong players and they have big KeSPA budgets. I reckon Axiom could give them a run for their money though and that's the beauty of it. Against these titans Axiom are always going to be the underdog but Axiom do have a solid line-up. If Axiom can get the partnership that TB mentioned earlier in this thread, say for example with Acer like they did last time (MMA, INnoVation and Scarlett), then I reckon they will be more than competitive in Proleague and maybe could even finish in the play-offs (although to finish above one of CJ Entus, SKT1, Jin Air Green Wings and KT Rolster is going to be a monumental effort). The GSTL winning AxiomAcer side I reckon is better than MVP, Prime, StarTale, IM, and maybe even Samsung Galaxy.
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On August 20 2014 11:55 TotalBiscuit wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 11:43 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 20 2014 11:37 TotalBiscuit wrote:On August 20 2014 06:10 chipmonklord17 wrote:On August 20 2014 03:52 Mattidute wrote:On August 20 2014 03:26 Xiphos wrote:On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.
Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan Even Samsung would be to hard for them with Dear, Stork, RorO, Shine, Reality, Solar and Hurricane and the only player on Axiom-Acer that understands how to prepare in Proleague due to experience is Innovation. Wasn't the season Axiom-Acer won GSTL when they had both proleague and winner's league formats? You're last point is completely false. Hell Axiom-Acer even went 4-0 that round too Yup, we did. I like to rub that fact in the face of people that claim it was all Innovations work. We didn't even have MMA for the proleague format round because he was in Europe and we still 4-0ed it. Proleague format suits a well-rounded deep roster better than all-kill. We don't have the superstars some of these other teams do but we have a consistent strong roster that prepares well for teamleagues. ATC, a format that favours top-heavy teams, was unfortunately not a friendly environment for our team to compete in. If you guys were to hypothetically compete in next proleague would you recruit additional players or just rely on the strength of the guys you have? Hypothetically I'd probably want at least 7 and those would most likely come from an alliance. I can't afford more players right now.
You know TB, I'm not a big fan of your post usually, but I love Axiom because you basically saved all of my favorite players from having to be teamless. I would def love to see you guys be in proleague as I feel that your team can compete with the best given enough preparation.
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Frankly spoken - this is not what a foreign team is to me. Axiom are Koreans so they are not "foreigners" to me just because they are not playing on a Korean team. While Axiom has a good roster I certainly believe that proleague is the field the 'KOREANS' shine most. They are insanely good at preparing for one match up and one map. 'Foreigners' have trouble to take them down in the weekend-tournament bracket system so it will be even harder in this format.
I am not counting out anyone and with due respect I have towards Axiom it still should be allowed to mention that they are not likely going to have a high-finish. This is not meant as offence as I myself am a fan of for example Impact or Ryung but being fan doesn't mean I cannot have another opinion on how Axiom would rate against the KeSPA teams.
For example while Axiom has a deep roster as its always mentioned by TB, they did "ONLY" finish 4th in ATC and that wasn't just about other teams having the better star player. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Acer_TeamStory_Cup_Season_3/Group_Stage
They often edged out 'smaller teams' without big star players in close series, yet they also won convincingly against some of the other teams. While in proleague its not the allkill format through the season, I am saying that the average level or a proleague fielded player is WORLDS above the average ATC player, so people need to think if a 'deep roster' which is always the argument against the allkill format is able to edge out the monsters that are the proleague Koreans.
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its not even worth thinking about for european teams
just look at the money
14000 dollar for WINNING one round - yeah WINNING haha will never happen
50000 dollar for WINNING the playoffs .. yeah unthinkable
come on, flight tickets for the whole team cost more than they could ever make ..
Taeja can make more in a weekend.
there would have to be a huge financial support from KESPA.
and for what? 10-20.000 more viewers? everyone in europe already watches proleague, and in US nobody will watch proleague cause its at 2 AM in the morning doesnt matter who plays, people have to get up in the morning, work, school, you know reality.
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On August 20 2014 22:28 NarutO wrote:
Frankly spoken - this is not what a foreign team is to me. Axiom are Koreans so they are not "foreigners" to me just because they are not playing on a Korean team.
Maybe they should be called koreigners from now on?
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