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felisconcolori
United States6169 Posts
 CranK up the discussion for Axiom. They have the  Heart to climb the Proleague ladder Ryungs and could make an  Impact with only a little INnoVation from an Acer alliance. A good finish would probably make Alicia blush Scarlett. Still, it all depends on the central question - what does Proleague offer to them as a team that justifies the investment in time and effort? + Show Spoiler + I apologize, I couldn't resist the puns. | ||
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[PkF] Wire
France24239 Posts
Definitely Acer and TL, with various possible partnerships. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
Maybe an Axiom / Acer alliance would get something done; hard to say they're really up to it. When was the last time a foreigner qualified for Code A? | ||
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desertfrog817
United States16 Posts
All in all I know Root.Major would be happy he doesnt have to go into kespa with a different team this time lol | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On August 21 2014 00:12 NarutO wrote: I simply believe you are overrating the Axiom players in comparison to proleague players especially when its about the prepared bo1. Impact is really strong. Ryung isn't really the most solid player ever. He peaks very high but he often has so-so games which you cannot afford to have in proleague. Alicia and Crank are prime examples of solid and good players, but being solid and good doesnt put you ahead of anyone in proleague. Same goes for Heart. By no means Axiom has 'bad' players, but on the other hand they don't really have outstanding talents within their roster that I would put ahead of proleague players. You are saying they will rank midfield - I simply disagree. I can accept your opinion but there is no point talking this any further as its simply different opinions. If Axiom ranks in midfield of proleague I will be very happy for them and ofcourse it would prove me wrong but all my statements are not meant offensive in any way. I simply think that proleague players and their dedication and preperation is exceptional. Your points are fair and I do see where you are coming from, but TB has mentioned an extra three players in a partnership (and to me that screams MMA, Scarlett and INnoVation) and they would definitely bolster the roster - especially a team league beast like INnoVation.  No it's fair enough and I do agree that we'll just have to wait and see.  (If it does transpire that is). | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On August 21 2014 01:50 klipik12 wrote: Maybe instead, we make a Europe Proleague or an NA Proleague or both or a combination. :o Well that's what I was hoping the Acer Teamstory Cup would develop into. Acer Teamstory Cup is really exciting and hype but I feel that's at absence of anything else. The ATC format is flawed in my opinion and there is massive imbalances due to scheduling issues which really undermine it somewhat. A foreign Proleague would be really good, but realistically for it to be really hype it has to be offline and there is no eSports centre in the foreign scene equivalent to Seoul where all the teams are localised. Look at the Liquipedia list of Team Houses. All the Korean houses are in the same place, the foreigner ones are all over the place. Really the most likely place which could see this happen is Cologne where a few teams and the ESL studio is located, as well as the GEM house. But really do you think top teams like mYinsanity would uproot from Switzerland, Evil Geniuses and ROOT from America, and Millenium from France etc? I highly doubt it. I'd give it like a 0.1% chance. I think the scene has a lot of growing to do before a foreign Proleague is conceivable. Which is a shame I suppose because I enjoy team leagues in StarCraft more than individual tournaments. | ||
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CutTheEnemy
Canada373 Posts
Loved spl this year. I think it might dilute proleague if you invited too many foreign teams. A proleague with >16 teams might be disorienting. However, its always very interesting to see very good players against weaker ones. Certainly, having a handful of foreign teams would be enjoyable! I'd personally be interested in seeing mYi and ROOT. The players on those teams are just interesting. TL, EG and Acer would also be nice. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
On August 21 2014 09:38 CutTheEnemy wrote: tldr - I'd personally be interested in seeing mYi and ROOT. Loved spl this year. I think it might dilute proleague if you invited too many foreign teams. A proleague with >16 teams might be disorienting. However, its always very interesting to see very good players against weaker ones. Certainly, having a handful of foreign teams would be enjoyable! I'd personally be interested in seeing mYi and ROOT. The players on those teams are just interesting. TL, EG and Acer would also be nice. ROOT? SuperNoVa yes... MajOr .. maybe he can play a good game but besides that? No player with proleague level of play | ||
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Growiel
Korea (South)363 Posts
Opening to foreign team will 100% lower it. There's a reason why every tournament is won by a Korean. | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On August 21 2014 17:43 NarutO wrote: ROOT? SuperNoVa yes... MajOr .. maybe he can play a good game but besides that? No player with proleague level of play No doubt that ROOT would still be cannon fodder in Proleague despite strengthening recently. But it's a moot point because there's absolutely no chance that they uproot from their massive house in California to be crushed in Proleague. No chance at all. | ||
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zeyu0920
Canada8 Posts
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Jordan_
Italy50 Posts
On August 20 2014 07:28 SuperHofmann wrote: Mana and not Welmu or VortiX? Cool Story bro Welmu and not ChanmanV or Robert Ohlen? Cool Story bro | ||
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Crot4le
England2927 Posts
On August 19 2014 17:17 Chuddinater wrote: We are toying with the idea of opening Proleague to the world. I'd like to make the point that I also feel it's a great idea to open Proleague to the world in getting other language streams involved. Do what Dreamhack and IEM does and use proven organisations such as TeSL, NeoTV, O'Gaming, TakeTV, EMSCTV. Do this and your penetration into the foreign market will grow further. | ||
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
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Cazimirbzh
334 Posts
I dont like the idea of foreign languages and casters being in proleague games. u can just give a restricted access to obs videofeed and add foreign languages like u take gsl twitch stream, mute the sound and comment the games (completely illegal by the way) the issue is the broadcast timing because even if there is a eng stream, who in US will be awake at 2 AM ? 1% - 2% of sc2's viewership ? not really worth it^^ Perhaps a proleague rebroadcast with foreign languages according to their own timeline ? it can be cool to watch proleague at 6 PM when i come back from work rather than watch vod with this F^^ timer on YT. Give us replays ( XD) or give us video feed ( o wait you dont need to, kespa can just give permission to use their YT videos ) | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States46426 Posts
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Orr
United States168 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On August 21 2014 09:09 Crot4le wrote: Well that's what I was hoping the Acer Teamstory Cup would develop into. Acer Teamstory Cup is really exciting and hype but I feel that's at absence of anything else. The ATC format is flawed in my opinion and there is massive imbalances due to scheduling issues which really undermine it somewhat. A foreign Proleague would be really good, but realistically for it to be really hype it has to be offline and there is no eSports centre in the foreign scene equivalent to Seoul where all the teams are localised. Look at the Liquipedia list of Team Houses. All the Korean houses are in the same place, the foreigner ones are all over the place. Really the most likely place which could see this happen is Cologne where a few teams and the ESL studio is located, as well as the GEM house. But really do you think top teams like mYinsanity would uproot from Switzerland, Evil Geniuses and ROOT from America, and Millenium from France etc? I highly doubt it. I'd give it like a 0.1% chance. I think the scene has a lot of growing to do before a foreign Proleague is conceivable. Which is a shame I suppose because I enjoy team leagues in StarCraft more than individual tournaments. EG isn't a top team. It's just Jaedong who is relevant to this discussion. Hell, EG struggled and couldn't even show up on time half the time for ATC, Proleague is out of the question for them. At most, you'd use Jaedong as a mercenary or as part of an "all star" team. | ||
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Nerski
United States1095 Posts
Sure you do in fact see gains, I've noticed how many of the root players have improved as far as the ones at their team house go. For a while some of the EG players were some of the most consistent of any team at least in the foreign scene, though personality issues likely didn't help with that much such in the case of Idra and his stupidness. Koreans however have had that environment for years and years, refined it and reaped the benefits from having a culture that turned those gamers into rock stars during the brood war era. As a result they have a deeper talent pool in a smaller area that makes it easier to get top gamers into pro houses, into a practice environment to both improve existing players and themselves. Many of times at little to no cost to the teams as the players rarely demanded much of anything outside of being part of the team in the past (I know this is changing) Conversely foreign teams must salary players to even get them to practice a lot in the first place (in many cases). Almost no players is willing to live at a team house and for go school, work, etc. to play games 8+ hours a day. As a result the teams just are not good enough because the situations and culture of the players isn't as focused. Could it work sure, but that would require expenses for any one team that probably wouldn't be worth it to them. At least not for a truly foreign team, no offense to TB and the great things he's done with Axiom, but largely it's a Korean player team under a foreign banner. If you wanted a truly Foreign team made up of foreign players, there just isn't one out there that has the talent or finances to make moving a whole team to Korea viable. I still say an all star team 'could' work, but the only way it'd work is if PL helped with expenses which they would only do if they think the gain is worth the expense as I've said before. Because even an all star team would need proper cohesion, coaching, housing, etc. The more I think about it the more I think a foreign team in PL just won't work the logistics are probably just not worth it. | ||
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sm1995
Korea (South)69 Posts
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