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klipik12
Profile Joined March 2012
United States241 Posts
August 19 2014 18:27 GMT
#401
On August 20 2014 03:06 boxerfred wrote:



What, no mYi?
<(^_^)> || Axiom - CoL - mYi - Prime - ROOT - EG - Acer || WCS Teamleague pls ;-;
Mattidute
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands232 Posts
August 19 2014 18:52 GMT
#402
On August 20 2014 03:26 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.



Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan




Even Samsung would be to hard for them with Dear, Stork, RorO, Shine, Reality, Solar and Hurricane and the only player on Axiom-Acer that understands how to prepare in Proleague due to experience is Innovation.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 19 2014 18:55 GMT
#403
On August 20 2014 03:06 boxerfred wrote:
Poll: Foreign teams in Proleague?

(Vote): Great
(Vote): Good
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): Bad
(Vote): Undecided


Poll: Fav foreign team in Proleague (in disregard of the actual probability)

(Vote): EG
(Vote): Axiom
(Vote): Acer
(Vote): Teamliquid
(Vote): Mouzsports
(Vote): Team Millenium
(Vote): Alien Invasion
(Vote): Newrosoft
(Vote): Gamania Bears
(Vote): Hong Kong eSports (lol, go Sen!)
(Vote): Wayi Spider
(Vote): Allstars Squad
(Vote): Invictus Gaming






Ah, sorry for excluding mYi. Didn't happen on purpose.
SuperHofmann
Profile Joined September 2013
Italy1741 Posts
August 19 2014 18:57 GMT
#404
On August 20 2014 03:26 Xiphos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.



Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan



What about Crank, Heart and Impact?
Vasacast always in my <3
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 19 2014 19:01 GMT
#405
On August 20 2014 03:57 SuperHofmann wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2014 03:26 Xiphos wrote:
On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.



Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan



What about Crank, Heart and Impact?

It's not a good time to be Jaedong's son, so you better count only Crank and Heart. And they are not Proleague material IMHO.
Lorning *
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Belgica34432 Posts
August 19 2014 19:01 GMT
#406
On August 20 2014 03:55 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2014 03:06 boxerfred wrote:
Poll: Foreign teams in Proleague?

(Vote): Great
(Vote): Good
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): Bad
(Vote): Undecided


Poll: Fav foreign team in Proleague (in disregard of the actual probability)

(Vote): EG
(Vote): Axiom
(Vote): Acer
(Vote): Teamliquid
(Vote): Mouzsports
(Vote): Team Millenium
(Vote): Alien Invasion
(Vote): Newrosoft
(Vote): Gamania Bears
(Vote): Hong Kong eSports (lol, go Sen!)
(Vote): Wayi Spider
(Vote): Allstars Squad
(Vote): Invictus Gaming






Ah, sorry for excluding mYi. Didn't happen on purpose.

And Yoe
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boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
August 19 2014 19:05 GMT
#407
On August 20 2014 04:01 Lorning wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2014 03:55 boxerfred wrote:
On August 20 2014 03:06 boxerfred wrote:
Poll: Foreign teams in Proleague?

(Vote): Great
(Vote): Good
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): Bad
(Vote): Undecided


Poll: Fav foreign team in Proleague (in disregard of the actual probability)

(Vote): EG
(Vote): Axiom
(Vote): Acer
(Vote): Teamliquid
(Vote): Mouzsports
(Vote): Team Millenium
(Vote): Alien Invasion
(Vote): Newrosoft
(Vote): Gamania Bears
(Vote): Hong Kong eSports (lol, go Sen!)
(Vote): Wayi Spider
(Vote): Allstars Squad
(Vote): Invictus Gaming






Ah, sorry for excluding mYi. Didn't happen on purpose.

And Yoe

I obviously suck. Can a mod edit that poll?
ColdSCII
Profile Joined June 2014
United States12 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 19:14:49
August 19 2014 19:14 GMT
#408
It would be awesome to see a foreign team in proleague, but to be honest I think mostly the only reason people in the NA scene don't watch proleague is because it's at 2 AM PST.
HoZBlooddrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Italy324 Posts
August 19 2014 19:50 GMT
#409
it would be awsome, but also so hard ot have the teams be there live imho!

i would definitely love to see more teams in there :D
Beta2k
Profile Joined November 2011
Austria218 Posts
August 19 2014 19:58 GMT
#410
only an all-star team makes sense imho. viewership would heavily profit from this. even more than if only one team would get invited.

please do it !
DJHelium
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden13480 Posts
August 19 2014 20:01 GMT
#411
#1 player in the world atm: J-god | Follow me on twitter! @DJHelium
Gekk02
Profile Joined June 2012
Switzerland50 Posts
August 19 2014 20:03 GMT
#412
Invictus Gaming, MyInsanity, EG-TL and Acer Altough atm only EG-TL and Acers seems realistic
Never trouble trouble 'till trouble troubles you
sparklyresidue
Profile Joined August 2011
United States5523 Posts
August 19 2014 20:06 GMT
#413
Amazing. Just watched the finals VODs and I've gotta say I'm hungry for more.
Like Tinkerbelle, I leave behind a sparkly residue.
Zealously
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 19 2014 20:11 GMT
#414
On August 20 2014 00:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2014 00:42 NihilisticGod wrote:
Would be great to see TL, Acer and Startale in Proleague. Imo these teams have the talent to stand a chance of going far!


i'm sorry to say but your opinion is wrong. All 3 would probably finish below Prime if they tried.


Who does Prime have beyond Creator? Byun is missing and doesn't seem to be coming back, the rest of the roster consists of Terror, State, Kassia (and possibly a few others I'm forgetting about). Meanwhile, Acer has Innovation/MMA/Scarlett (objectively a stronger roster than Prime's) while ST has Curious, Hack, Panic, Pet and Life. I'm not sure what measuring stick you're using, but you might want to update yourself because acting like Prime is miles ahead of Acer, let alone ST, is ridiculous.
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neptunusfisk
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
2286 Posts
August 19 2014 20:12 GMT
#415
Innovation and Jaedong and I'm satisfied
maru G5L pls
FueledUpAndReadyToGo
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
Netherlands30548 Posts
August 19 2014 20:13 GMT
#416
Son Suk hee ‏@StardustSC2 12m
and.. second about pro league i trying to make union of team outside of korea i dont know it gonna happened or not but.
anyway good isn't it
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HoZBlooddrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Italy324 Posts
August 19 2014 20:13 GMT
#417
i hope prime gets some sick pickups ;(
SetGuitarsToKill
Profile Blog Joined December 2013
Canada28396 Posts
August 19 2014 20:14 GMT
#418
On August 20 2014 05:11 Zealously wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2014 00:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:
On August 20 2014 00:42 NihilisticGod wrote:
Would be great to see TL, Acer and Startale in Proleague. Imo these teams have the talent to stand a chance of going far!


i'm sorry to say but your opinion is wrong. All 3 would probably finish below Prime if they tried.


Who does Prime have beyond Creator? Byun is missing and doesn't seem to be coming back, the rest of the roster consists of Terror, State, Kassia (and possibly a few others I'm forgetting about). Meanwhile, Acer has Innovation/MMA/Scarlett (objectively a stronger roster than Prime's) while ST has Curious, Hack, Panic, Pet and Life. I'm not sure what measuring stick you're using, but you might want to update yourself because acting like Prime is miles ahead of Acer, let alone ST, is ridiculous.


Good luck keeping Inno, MMA and Scarlett in korea for an entire season of Proleage. If the whole team was completely commited then they could do it but it would never happen. I did word it poorly, I shouldn't have said they'd finish below, just that it would be impossible to get to that point.
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AWalker9
Profile Blog Joined August 2013
United Kingdom7229 Posts
August 19 2014 20:25 GMT
#419
On August 20 2014 04:01 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2014 03:57 SuperHofmann wrote:
On August 20 2014 03:26 Xiphos wrote:
On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.



Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan



What about Crank, Heart and Impact?

It's not a good time to be Jaedong's son, so you better count only Crank and Heart. And they are not Proleague material IMHO.


Considering how Heart's been doing in TvZ lately he would be a great zerg sniper.
soOjwa has returned to smite all that stand in his way
looknohands119
Profile Joined March 2010
United States815 Posts
August 19 2014 20:25 GMT
#420
On August 20 2014 00:04 geokilla wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2014 11:00 looknohands119 wrote:
On August 19 2014 10:47 Chuddinater wrote:
I hope everyone has enjoyed this season of Proleague as much as we have. There were plenty of exciting matches and the finals will be an event I will remember for the rest of my life, especially FlaSh kicking the soccer ball with the names of the SKT players into the crowd.

Looking forward to the next season of Proleague we want to make it more exciting then it was this year. We are toying with the idea of opening Proleague to the world. If we did open up Proleague next year to all teams which teams would you be most excited to watch? Do you think if we allowed foreign teams to enter would it lower the competitive level or increase it?


Obviously the foreign teams who are most qualified are Evil Geniuses, TeamLiquid, Acer, Axiom, and some of the big Chinese/Taiwanese teams. While in the short term, opening Proleague up might slightly decrease the average skill level, I think that it will dramatically increase it in the long-term. Think of it as an investment into developing "new blood" that will bring more innovation to drive progress in the Korean scene and that will draw more money and sponsorship by expanding Proleague's appeal outside of Korea.

Edit: Who knows, maybe it would be incentive enough for some established teams from other games (LoL, DOTA2, CS:GO, etc...) to create SC2 squads or even for new non-Korean teams to form.

Edit #2: Also, why the hell is everyone assuming that KeSPA wouldn't help reduce the financial barrier. Seems like them even considering opening things up marks a very large attitude shift from KeSPA compared to when EG-TL tried to compete. It isn't a stretch to think that the traditional buy in price would be heavily reduced or that the chosen team(s) would receive monetary and logistical help to make it more viable.

TL'DR, while there might be some short term disadvantages and costs, its pretty hard to argue that it is the wrong move for either Starcraft or Korean eSports.

How are they going to play though? Because it sounds like next Proleague is going to be an online tournament if they open it up to international teams. It's next to impossible for foreign teams to all stay in Korea just for Proleague.


I suggested that KeSPA would likely pony up a good portion of the required cash for a foreign team looking to join and live in Korea, at least for the first year. This would make it MUCH easier for a foreign team to live in Korea for Proleague. Not only that but Proleague's growth would mean that the exposure a team receives (especially in Korea and China, since SPL was quite popular in both places) would be pretty damn good in comparison to what most teams get going to foreign events, except, no more travel fatigue because you are staying in Korea and your exposure happens like clockwork, guaranteed at least once per week.
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