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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
August 19 2014 16:34 GMT
#381
I like the idea of an All-Star team. As it currently is, no foreign team comes close to being able to compete all by themselves.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Shinespark
Profile Joined June 2011
Chile843 Posts
August 19 2014 16:38 GMT
#382
I don't think a single foreign team would have a chance of beating Prime, even. Let alone any other Kespa team.
"I, for one, welcome our new Korean overlords."
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 19 2014 16:41 GMT
#383
On August 20 2014 01:38 Shinespark wrote:
I don't think a single foreign team would have a chance of beating Prime, even. Let alone any other Kespa team.

Acer would have a shot with Inno MMA and 1 other player picking up a win. Or Inno winning twice
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Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 16:45:12
August 19 2014 16:41 GMT
#384
On August 20 2014 01:34 ACrow wrote:
I like the idea of an All-Star team. As it currently is, no foreign team comes close to being able to compete all by themselves.

Not with the top 5 Kespa teams. But
1) a team could invest specifically for proleague (like, Liquid'DRG and then you have a team that can beat anyone)
2) the other Korean teams can't compete with them either, yet some of them played proleague and they can take matches of them or even make final runs (like MVP).

Not sure if I like the idea of an allstar team. It's basically just "the guys that play in Korea anyways". I guess it's (much) better than nothing, yet, it's not "a team" and does not give me any "omg, TLO just beat Zest" moments.

On August 20 2014 01:38 Shinespark wrote:
I don't think a single foreign team would have a chance of beating Prime, even. Let alone any other Kespa team.


Snute/Scarlett had a better winrate against Koreans than MKP had in 2014. And MKP doesn't even exist anymore...
It's basically Creator, which I would rank lower than Taeja (Liquid) or INnoVation (Acer).
Thyrym
Profile Joined December 2013
89 Posts
August 19 2014 16:44 GMT
#385
I think that Axiom is the best team for PL.

With 1 or 2 mercenaries ( Pigbaby and Jaedong bcz jaedong vs flash) it would be even better, given Axiom's run on GSTL and i believe in CranK as a coach!!
ChowChomp
Profile Joined January 2013
9 Posts
August 19 2014 17:02 GMT
#386
EG-TL PLEASEEEEEEE
rotta
Profile Joined December 2011
5596 Posts
August 19 2014 17:04 GMT
#387
On August 20 2014 01:44 Thyrym wrote:
I think that Axiom is the best team for PL.

With 1 or 2 mercenaries ( Pigbaby and Jaedong bcz jaedong vs flash) it would be even better, given Axiom's run on GSTL and i believe in CranK as a coach!!

1 Z and 1 whatever's imba next year should be enough? Yoda, First, B4, DRG, Violet?
don't wall off against random
Thyrym
Profile Joined December 2013
89 Posts
August 19 2014 17:08 GMT
#388
On August 20 2014 02:04 rotta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2014 01:44 Thyrym wrote:
I think that Axiom is the best team for PL.

With 1 or 2 mercenaries ( Pigbaby and Jaedong bcz jaedong vs flash) it would be even better, given Axiom's run on GSTL and i believe in CranK as a coach!!

1 Z and 1 whatever's imba next year should be enough? Yoda, First, B4, DRG, Violet?


I think Pigbaby is better in this format, since hes a really unorthodox player and knows how to prepare different stuff so i prefer him than most P players around.
Josh_Video
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada798 Posts
August 19 2014 17:23 GMT
#389
On August 20 2014 00:33 klipik12 wrote:
Only teams imo that are at least partially viable are Axiom, Acer, TL, YFW and mYi. Probably a few partnerships and contracting of CSN/GEM guys floating around (Yoda, First, MC, Polt, Revival, Violet, HyuN) would be involved. Something like EG did with Revival, JYP, aLive and JD.


There is a 0% chance that Polt or viOlet would participate in Proleague. They are busy studying while wrecking the NA scene, there would be no benefit for them.
MKP :D ~ MMA ~ Scarlett ~ Taeja ~ Mvp ~ InnoVation ~ Polt | Prime ( RIP :( ) ~ Acer ~ SK Telecom T1 | I enjoyed the locust war of May 3, 2014.
Josh_Video
Profile Joined August 2013
Canada798 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 17:24:15
August 19 2014 17:23 GMT
#390
I dont know how i double posted this, sorry
MKP :D ~ MMA ~ Scarlett ~ Taeja ~ Mvp ~ InnoVation ~ Polt | Prime ( RIP :( ) ~ Acer ~ SK Telecom T1 | I enjoyed the locust war of May 3, 2014.
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 17:25:45
August 19 2014 17:25 GMT
#391
On August 20 2014 00:08 Xiphos wrote:
Honestly speaking, unless the new created team dedicated all of their time on PL, this won't succeed as they will be the new punching bag.

Only guy that is worthy enough for PL:

A team:
Jaedong

Bogus

MC

Innovaction

HerO

B-team:
Jjaki

MMA

San

ForGG

Hyun

And those players will have other tournament to focus on. I think sure it could increase the view count due to the novelty factor but you have to ask yourself which one is more important, the viewership or the game's quality.

As much as I'd love the idea of cloning Bogus, the technology is not there.

Regarding allstars: anyone remember Welmu vs. Bounty Hunters?
ZigguratOfUr
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Iraq16955 Posts
August 19 2014 17:27 GMT
#392
On August 20 2014 02:25 boxerfred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2014 00:08 Xiphos wrote:
Honestly speaking, unless the new created team dedicated all of their time on PL, this won't succeed as they will be the new punching bag.

Only guy that is worthy enough for PL:

A team:
Jaedong

Bogus

MC

Innovaction

HerO

B-team:
Jjaki

MMA

San

ForGG

Hyun

And those players will have other tournament to focus on. I think sure it could increase the view count due to the novelty factor but you have to ask yourself which one is more important, the viewership or the game's quality.

As much as I'd love the idea of cloning Bogus, the technology is not there.

Regarding allstars: anyone remember Welmu vs. Bounty Hunters?


The technology to build a second Bogus is there, but it would sadly violate Korean patent laws.
caznitch
Profile Joined July 2012
Canada645 Posts
August 19 2014 17:29 GMT
#393
Also - Someone should update the front page with some polls along the lines of:

Do you want to see foreign teams in Proleague?
Yes
No

Which team?
-List some teams, include option for allstar merger

Would this increase or decrease the competativness of proleague?
Yes
No





Otherwise we're just arguing about how it would happen or if it's worth it, which is KESPA/the foreign team's job, not ours.
why?
Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 17:32:41
August 19 2014 17:32 GMT
#394
Wrong thread
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
WeVader2
Profile Joined May 2013
Chile3 Posts
August 19 2014 17:52 GMT
#395
A allstar merge, like this. I think they can be better than Prime in the last season so this will be increase the level and the hype!. (9 players a least)

T
(Polt or Bomber)
Taeja
Innovation
P
MC
Stardust
(Jim or Welmu)
Z
(Snute or Hyun)
Scarlett
Jaedong

Mistakes
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1102 Posts
August 19 2014 18:01 GMT
#396
Really the only way that the foreign players could compete would be to make an all-star team. And obviously it would depend greatly on who can and wants to move to/back to Korea to play in Proleague.
StarCraft | www.psistorm.com | www.twitter.com/MistakesSC | www.twitch.tv/MistakesSC | Seattle
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-08-19 18:14:07
August 19 2014 18:06 GMT
#397
Poll: Foreign teams in Proleague?

(Vote): Great
(Vote): Good
(Vote): Meh
(Vote): Bad
(Vote): Undecided


Poll: Fav foreign team in Proleague (in disregard of the actual probability)

(Vote): EG
(Vote): Axiom
(Vote): Acer
(Vote): Teamliquid
(Vote): Mouzsports
(Vote): Team Millenium
(Vote): Alien Invasion
(Vote): Newrosoft
(Vote): Gamania Bears
(Vote): Hong Kong eSports (lol, go Sen!)
(Vote): Wayi Spider
(Vote): Allstars Squad
(Vote): Invictus Gaming




NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
August 19 2014 18:15 GMT
#398
A team or two made up of foreigner allstars could prove interesting, but I don't see any team outside of Kespa being able to compete on their own.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
SlammerIV
Profile Joined December 2013
United States526 Posts
August 19 2014 18:16 GMT
#399
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.

Xiphos
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada7507 Posts
August 19 2014 18:26 GMT
#400
On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.



Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan


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