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The land of freedom23126 Posts
On August 20 2014 04:14 ColdSCII wrote:
It would be awesome to see a foreign team in proleague, but to be honest I think mostly the only reason people in the NA scene don't watch proleague is because it's at 2 AM PST.
That's why you have already free access to 1080p VoDs.
Guess, not Proleague, KeSPA or SPOTV fault.
On August 20 2014 05:14 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 05:11 Zealously wrote:On August 20 2014 00:47 SetGuitarsToKill wrote:On August 20 2014 00:42 NihilisticGod wrote:
Would be great to see TL, Acer and Startale in Proleague. Imo these teams have the talent to stand a chance of going far! i'm sorry to say but your opinion is wrong. All 3 would probably finish below Prime if they tried. Who does Prime have beyond Creator? Byun is missing and doesn't seem to be coming back, the rest of the roster consists of Terror, State, Kassia (and possibly a few others I'm forgetting about). Meanwhile, Acer has Innovation/MMA/Scarlett (objectively a stronger roster than Prime's) while ST has Curious, Hack, Panic, Pet and Life. I'm not sure what measuring stick you're using, but you might want to update yourself because acting like Prime is miles ahead of Acer, let alone ST, is ridiculous. Good luck keeping Inno, MMA and Scarlett in korea for an entire season of Proleage. If the whole team was completely commited then they could do it but it would never happen. I did word it poorly, I shouldn't have said they'd finish below, just that it would be impossible to get to that point.
Bogus plays GSL, Scarlett is already in Korea for half a year without any problems and MMA can play Ro32 of WCS online or just switch to be Code A player, it's not like noone played online parts of WCS from Korea before.
Prime suck right now, but i won't be surprised if they just unite with someone and all of this "hype" will be announcement of Prime's alliance with some foreign teams.
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On August 20 2014 03:52 Mattidute wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 03:26 Xiphos wrote:On August 20 2014 03:16 SlammerIV wrote:
PLEASE PLEASE Axiom-Acer!!! That would be awesome. I would watch every match.
Kespa plz....do it.
Honestly, outside of Ryung, MMA, Innovation, and MAYBE Scarlett, I don't think that Axion-Acer would have the depth necessary to pulls off wins vs your KTs, Jin Air, and CJ. Maybe they can edge out Khan Even Samsung would be to hard for them with Dear, Stork, RorO, Shine, Reality, Solar and Hurricane and the only player on Axiom-Acer that understands how to prepare in Proleague due to experience is Innovation.
Wasn't the season Axiom-Acer won GSTL when they had both proleague and winner's league formats? You're last point is completely false.
Hell Axiom-Acer even went 4-0 that round too
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On August 20 2014 05:53 oo_Wonderful_oo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 04:14 ColdSCII wrote:
It would be awesome to see a foreign team in proleague, but to be honest I think mostly the only reason people in the NA scene don't watch proleague is because it's at 2 AM PST. That's why you have already free access to 1080p VoDs. Guess, not Proleague, KeSPA or SPOTV fault.
Too late to be a late night show in NA, too late to be a morning show in EU, and just after work hours in Korea.
I probably wouldn't even have a chance to watch it live if I lived in Korea ffs! lol...
Just very poorly planned air time imo, and having access to VODs is cool and all, but I'm not going to wake up early to watch a morning show of VODs... Or stay up late to watch a late night show of VODs... It's just not even close to the same thing. Plus, watching VODs doesn't even work on my smart TV's browser... Is have to watch it on the small screen, which isn't going to happen unless I'm feeling super nerdy that day.
SPL is my favorite show to watch, so I was subscribed all last season, but I ended up not watching any VODs and only catching 2-4 live shows a month, destroying my sleep schedule in the process...
Unless I have a day off, and I mean totally free with no schedules, SPL is too hard to fit.
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Would be awesome, and definitely make PL more popular, increasing viewership, sponsorship etc.
But few foreign teams would be able to compete - EG-TL weren't exactly successful. Foreign teams don't/won't dedicate almost entirely to PL like Kespa teams do, so it'd be pretty one sided, you'd think.
I'd love to see it regardless.
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On August 20 2014 05:03 Gekk02 wrote:Invictus Gaming, MyInsanity, EG-TL and Acer  Altough atm only EG-TL and Acers seems realistic
Team Acer is realitic. But Axiom is the most realistic.
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Teamliquid-Acer pretty much does it. Great Koreans. Great top notch foreigners who can actually compete at that level.
KR:
Tareja
HerO
Innovation
MMA
Non-KR:
Bunny
MaNa
Snute
TLO
Scarlett
Nerchio
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On August 20 2014 07:07 alukarD wrote:
Teamliquid-Acer pretty much does it. Great Koreans. Great top notch foreigners who can actually compete at that level.
KR:
Tareja
HerO
Innovation
MMA
Non-KR:
Bunny
MaNa
Snute
TLO
Scarlett
Nerchio
Not sure about TLO, Nerchio or MaNa but definitely feel Bunny, Snute and Scarlett would be competitive.
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On August 20 2014 07:07 alukarD wrote:
Teamliquid-Acer pretty much does it. Great Koreans. Great top notch foreigners who can actually compete at that level.
KR:
Tareja
HerO
Innovation
MMA
Non-KR:
Bunny
MaNa
Snute
TLO
Scarlett
Nerchio
Mana and not Welmu or VortiX? Cool Story bro
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United States23455 Posts
On August 20 2014 07:28 SuperHofmann wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 07:07 alukarD wrote:
Teamliquid-Acer pretty much does it. Great Koreans. Great top notch foreigners who can actually compete at that level.
KR:
Tareja
HerO
Innovation
MMA
Non-KR:
Bunny
MaNa
Snute
TLO
Scarlett
Nerchio Mana and not Welmu or VortiX? Cool Story bro
He was only listing players on TL and Acer? Cool story bro
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Few things I want to note. First of, not every player in SPL was Code S lvl this season. Hell not even code B, but they still offerd great games to watch (eins, sacsri, terror). I think that a lot of foreign teams can blend in at this level. Everyone new Prime or MVP wouldnt take 1st away but they still delivered good games, blending foreign teams to this level is defo an option.
Then about the distance, korea is mekka of esports, keep it there and make foreign events more special, cant really see how that would hurt anyone?
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On August 20 2014 07:28 SuperHofmann wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 07:07 alukarD wrote:
Teamliquid-Acer pretty much does it. Great Koreans. Great top notch foreigners who can actually compete at that level.
KR:
Tareja
HerO
Innovation
MMA
Non-KR:
Bunny
MaNa
Snute
TLO
Scarlett
Nerchio Mana and not Welmu or VortiX? Cool Story bro
Yeah he said TeamLiquid-Acer. Last time I checked Welmu was on NewRoSoft and VortiX was on Millenium.
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On August 20 2014 07:38 Taronar wrote:
Few things I want to note. First of, not every player in SPL was Code S lvl this season. Hell not even code B, but they still offerd great games to watch (eins, sacsri, terror). I think that a lot of foreign teams can blend in at this level. Everyone new Prime or MVP wouldnt take 1st away but they still delivered good games, blending foreign teams to this level is defo an option.
Then about the distance, korea is mekka of esports, keep it there and make foreign events more special, cant really see how that would hurt anyone?
What match did Sacsri play in this season?
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On August 20 2014 08:11 Crot4le wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 07:38 Taronar wrote:
Few things I want to note. First of, not every player in SPL was Code S lvl this season. Hell not even code B, but they still offerd great games to watch (eins, sacsri, terror). I think that a lot of foreign teams can blend in at this level. Everyone new Prime or MVP wouldnt take 1st away but they still delivered good games, blending foreign teams to this level is defo an option.
Then about the distance, korea is mekka of esports, keep it there and make foreign events more special, cant really see how that would hurt anyone? What match did Sacsri play in this season?
He lost in Round 2 vs MVP Swagger
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On August 20 2014 07:32 Darkhorse wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 07:28 SuperHofmann wrote:On August 20 2014 07:07 alukarD wrote:
Teamliquid-Acer pretty much does it. Great Koreans. Great top notch foreigners who can actually compete at that level.
KR:
Tareja
HerO
Innovation
MMA
Non-KR:
Bunny
MaNa
Snute
TLO
Scarlett
Nerchio Mana and not Welmu or VortiX? Cool Story bro He was only listing players on TL and Acer? Cool story bro
my bad
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I think, perhaps, that any foreign team contemplating entering Proleague should consider a turnabout is fair play approach. Not for any petty reasons, but because they are legitimate concerns when raised by KeSPA regarding their players and they are equally legitimate concerns for any foreign team or foreign-audience oriented team. (Axiom is a Korean team to me, they are just more concentrated on the foreign market.)
What tangible benefits to the team accrue from participating in Proleague? Is it worth the significant investment in time, money, and commitment as well as the lost opportunities to promote their own team brand and sponsor awareness outside of Korea to take part in Proleague?
Yes, Proleague is a very prestigious tournament... in a very niche market of the true SC2 fan (who, more than likely, is already aware of all the sponsors) and the country of South Korea. Partaking of the majestic Proleague doesn't expose teams and brands to a wider audience as can happen when taking part as individual players in events such as DreamHack, IEM, and similar shows where cross-game pollination of fans can occur. (CoD fans between matches may look over and watch, people on their way to booths can get caught up in the hype, someone looking for a chance to rest for a minute could watch and at the least hear of a sponsor they weren't previously aware of, etc. I admit, while between matches at MLG, I've spent some time watching CoD and even Halo - even though I knew MarineKing was in the building and I could have been politely stalking him for an autograph.)
So what, besides the prestige of competing against teams whose primary source of prestige is in their commitment to the game and rare appearances outside of Proleague, does participating in Proleague offer to the foreign team or team whose primary sponsors are focused on the market outside of South Korea?
(Teams are a business, just like Proleague is at its core a business. This is the kind of thinking that has to go behind it.)
In my own opinion, it would be nice to see more teams competing in Proleague - but what does KeSPA have to offer them as an incentive to offset the expense, commitment, and reduced visibility for their sponsors in the primarily EU and NA markets?
+ Show Spoiler + Sorry if TB already said this. I'm not sure if he did, and if anyone that people listen to would say it, I'm pretty sure he would.
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LOL at all the Westerners assuming OP is talking about Westerners.
It is the Chinese market they want to open Proleague up to. There was 100k+ on chinese stream for the last proleague finals and 20k on the English stream. It is the chinese KESPA wants to invite, not EZ-TL mach 2.
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On August 20 2014 09:59 donkeykong wrote:
LOL at all the Westerners assuming OP is talking about Westerners.
It is the Chinese market they want to open Proleague up to. There was 100k+ on chinese stream for the last proleague finals and 20k on the English stream. It is the chinese KESPA wants to invite, not EZ-TL mach 2.
And that's why they are looking for feedbacks on TeamLiquid right ?
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your Country52797 Posts
On August 20 2014 09:59 donkeykong wrote:
LOL at all the Westerners assuming OP is talking about Westerners.
It is the Chinese market they want to open Proleague up to. There was 100k+ on chinese stream for the last proleague finals and 20k on the English stream. It is the chinese KESPA wants to invite, not EZ-TL mach 2.
... with the idea of opening Proleague to the world.
If we did open up Proleague next year to all teams
if we allowed foreign teams to enter
And look at the title of the thread. China is not the world. OP is obviously at least partly talking about westerners.
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United States23455 Posts
On August 20 2014 09:12 SuperHofmann wrote:Show nested quote +On August 20 2014 07:32 Darkhorse wrote:On August 20 2014 07:28 SuperHofmann wrote:On August 20 2014 07:07 alukarD wrote:
Teamliquid-Acer pretty much does it. Great Koreans. Great top notch foreigners who can actually compete at that level.
KR:
Tareja
HerO
Innovation
MMA
Non-KR:
Bunny
MaNa
Snute
TLO
Scarlett
Nerchio Mana and not Welmu or VortiX? Cool Story bro He was only listing players on TL and Acer? Cool story bro my bad
Just yanking your chain mate
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Wouldn't mind seeing iG fully committed to PL as they have the resources. For the rest, no. Interest from the west would peak for about 5 rounds, then the reality of the grind that is PL would set in.
Taiwan/China is the future for PL expansion imo.
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