TaeJa to take Hack's spot in WCS AM Premier

On January 16 2014 06:06 mikkmagro wrote:
Technically Bomber had more points but oh well

On January 16 2014 06:06 robert1005 wrote:
Wow Taeja! Even less change for the foreigners to win something :D:D

On January 16 2014 06:07 NovaMB wrote:

Points in WCS America were only counted

On January 16 2014 06:20 scudst0rm wrote:


Shouldn't revival have more points if they are only counting WCS america. Or do the global finals count as well?

edit: sp

On January 16 2014 06:32 NovaMB wrote:

Ouch Revival had 1300 points, TaeJa had 1350

On January 16 2014 06:36 mikumegurine wrote:


top 4 WCS NA 2014

On January 16 2014 06:36 mikumegurine wrote:


maybe he forfeited back then cause this was all planned and he knew all along he get promoted back to Premier...

On January 16 2014 06:39 MajOr wrote:

ya man he can read into the future the new plans for wcs 2014 and also knew hack would switch back to kr.. cmon lol also this community its soooo hypocrit not even funny i forfeited shoutcraft cuz the pc from the lan i was playing had basically 20 fps. and i get shiited on but he forfeited his challenger league match(dont really know the reason) and the community didnt shit on him.

just wonderful

On January 16 2014 06:44 Pontius Pirate wrote:

I vaguely remember hearing it was a wrist thing, but I don't remember where I heard that from.

On January 16 2014 06:50 Serinox wrote:

He would've had to play his Challenger Match right after his Ro16 Premier Group and not just the next day, no the same night. TaeJa forfeited because he was too tired.

On January 16 2014 07:07 aike wrote:

And that's fine because professional athletes forfeit because they are tired all the time.

On January 16 2014 07:07 aike wrote:
And that's fine because professional athletes forfeit because they are tired all the time.

On January 16 2014 06:31 MajOr wrote:
not to hate but. last season he decided to forfeit his matches(despite being present there at NASL studio) and he gets rewarded by being promoted to Premier. i undestearnd is based on points but still.

On January 16 2014 07:19 MCXD wrote:
If they had a choice between multiple, they probably picked Taeja because he's the most popular and most historically decorated.

On January 16 2014 07:19 DinoMight wrote:

Pro sports teams frequently bench their best players during exhibition matches or matches that aren't very important to avoid injury. A lot of players turn down things like all-star games etc. to avoid being unfit to play their important games.

On January 16 2014 06:39 MajOr wrote:

ya man he can read into the future the new plans for wcs 2014 and also knew hack would switch back to kr.. cmon lol also this community its soooo hypocrit not even funny i forfeited shoutcraft cuz the pc from the lan i was playing had basically 20 fps. and i get shiited on but he forfeited his challenger league match(dont really know the reason) and the community didnt shit on him.

just wonderful

On January 16 2014 06:39 MajOr wrote:

ya man he can read into the future the new plans for wcs 2014 and also knew hack would switch back to kr.. cmon lol also this community its soooo hypocrit not even funny i forfeited shoutcraft cuz the pc from the lan i was playing had basically 20 fps. and i get shiited on but he forfeited his challenger league match(dont really know the reason) and the community didnt shit on him.

just wonderful

On January 16 2014 07:44 4ddic7ed wrote:
How are people up in arms about this? Taeja was the player,participating in WCS AM last year that gained the most points.

On January 16 2014 07:53 Darkhoarse wrote:

Pretty sure some math people determined that Revival got more points. Honestly though, is Revival going to play in WCS AM if he doesn't end up on a team? Who will pay for him to go to America if he plays in the live portion?

On January 16 2014 07:57 4ddic7ed wrote:


In WCS AM itself yes, Taeja got more overall, most of all WCS AM players.

On January 16 2014 06:44 NovaMB wrote:
Goddamnit NASL, get something right for a change -.-

On January 16 2014 07:58 DJHelium wrote:


More than Bomber?

On January 16 2014 07:58 4ddic7ed wrote:



Did Bomber participate in WCS AM last year?

On January 16 2014 07:52 Darkhoarse wrote:

Didn't he say he was sick?

Also no offense or anything but sometimes you get forgiven for certain things based on your reputation and skill.

On January 16 2014 08:00 DJHelium wrote:


Ah I get your point! So global points among those participating WCS AM last year. I can see that.

On January 16 2014 07:34 aike wrote:

He isn't turning something down though. He forfeited a match he had already agreed to play. A team can bench a player because they are still playing the game. A player forfeiting in SC2 is similar to benching your entire team. If a professional team just decided to not play a match because they were too tired, they would probably be fined a very large amount of money.

On January 16 2014 08:00 DJHelium wrote:


Ah I get your point! So global points among those participating WCS AM last year. I can see that.

On January 16 2014 08:15 JustPassingBy wrote:


So Jaedong or Polt or HerO??? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings

On January 16 2014 08:18 Prillan wrote:


They are already in Premier League.

On January 16 2014 07:46 Eshra wrote:


Oh look, another one of those " this community sucks, it's so hypocrit, blablabla ".

On January 16 2014 08:35 CCa1ss1e wrote:
Welp, region over.

On January 16 2014 08:34 Bagration wrote:


He's not entirely incorrect though. The community doesn't not hold a consistent standard whatsoever for different players (this is not necessarily a bad thing though)

On January 16 2014 08:36 Bagration wrote:


Please, Taeja had 2 seasons in Premier and he didn't even make it to the finals once.

On January 16 2014 06:31 MajOr wrote:
not to hate but. last season he decided to forfeit his matches(despite being present there at NASL studio) and he gets rewarded by being promoted to Premier. i undestearnd is based on points but still.

On January 16 2014 07:34 aike wrote:

He isn't turning something down though. He forfeited a match he had already agreed to play. A team can bench a player because they are still playing the game. A player forfeiting in SC2 is similar to benching your entire team. If a professional team just decided to not play a match because they were too tired, they would probably be fined a very large amount of money.

On January 16 2014 09:16 GumBa wrote:

Near Bonjwa? Oh lol please just be fanboy hyperbole....

On January 16 2014 09:18 SpunXtain20 wrote:


Okay near bonjwa might be an exageration, but July, Jaedong and Bisu were near-bonjwas in BW with ~5 championships a piece. Taeja has won that many in the space of about 6 months, at the least it is certainly an impressive achievement to be consistantly dominant like this.

On January 16 2014 06:06 robert1005 wrote:
Wow Taeja! Even less change for the foreigners to win something :D:D

On January 16 2014 09:21 Bonkarooni wrote:


Well, this clears up a spot in code A, making it easier for foreigners to get in there, so maybe not?

On January 16 2014 09:22 Darkhoarse wrote:
Guys Revival got invited to IEM last year for a region he didn't even live in/participate in qualifiers for. INVITES ARE BOGUS

On January 16 2014 06:39 MajOr wrote:

ya man he can read into the future the new plans for wcs 2014 and also knew hack would switch back to kr.. cmon lol also this community its soooo hypocrit not even funny i forfeited shoutcraft cuz the pc from the lan i was playing had basically 20 fps. and i get shiited on but he forfeited his challenger league match(dont really know the reason) and the community didnt shit on him.

just wonderful

On January 16 2014 09:21 Bagration wrote:


Can't even beat elfi

On January 16 2014 09:18 SpunXtain20 wrote:


Okay near bonjwa might be an exageration, but July, Jaedong and Bisu were near-bonjwas in BW with ~5 championships a piece. Taeja has won that many in the space of about 6 months, at the least it is certainly an impressive achievement to be consistantly dominant like this.

On January 16 2014 09:25 SpunXtain20 wrote:


Ah yes, the classic "He didn't win every single game ever therefore bad" argument. I am on a strict notice to monitor my behaviour on these forums, so I will refrain from further argument beyond this: Taeja smashed the Liquipedia ELO ratings from WoL and HotS, and set an unprecedented Aguillac rating as well.

He very much deserves to be in premier of NA - I wouldn't be upset if he was seeded into premier KR.

Now I have life goals to attend to, so farewell ! GL Taeja in WCS.

On January 16 2014 09:28 Bagration wrote:


GG you lose

No one is arguing Taeja is bad, we're just saying that calling him near-bonjwa is laughable.

On January 16 2014 09:22 Darkhoarse wrote:
Guys Revival got invited to IEM last year for a region he didn't even live in/participate in qualifiers for. INVITES ARE BOGUS

On January 16 2014 06:39 TiberiusAk wrote:
If we're counting only points in WCS AM Premiere and Challenger 2013, I counted Revival got 1550 and Taeja got 1450:

Taeja:
S1: 300 + 50
S2: 750
S3: 300 + 50
Total: 1450

Revival:
S1: 1000
S2: 300 + 100
S3: 100 + 50
Total: 1550

Source: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings
(Fun fact: Scarlett also had 1450 points by this measure.)

That said, maybe NASL meant to say they picked the player from WCS AM with the most WCS points globally.

On January 16 2014 09:24 Bagration wrote:


INVITES ARE BOGUS
INVITES = BOGUS
BOGUS = INNOVATION
INNOVATION = GOOD
INVITES = GOOD

On January 16 2014 07:58 DJHelium wrote:


More than Bomber?

Bomber has 4425 in total, Taeja 4250. This is according to Liquipedia.

On January 16 2014 09:52 Veluvian wrote:
Haven't liked his style so much, but I keep great respect for Taeja as a player and as a guy, wish him best of luck! Let's hope he won't retire soon as he stated recently. And despite so many good terrans, he was the most successful one for 2013, even without wcs title.

On January 16 2014 09:24 Bagration wrote:


INVITES ARE BOGUS
INVITES = BOGUS
BOGUS = INNOVATION
INNOVATION = GOOD
INVITES = GOOD

On January 16 2014 09:33 Elite_ wrote:

I thought you of all people would be complaining about aLive not getting the invite instead of TaeJa.

On January 16 2014 09:16 GumBa wrote:

Near Bonjwa? Oh lol please just be fanboy hyperbole....

On January 16 2014 09:24 Bagration wrote:


INVITES ARE BOGUS
INVITES = BOGUS
BOGUS = INNOVATION
INNOVATION = GOOD
INVITES = GOOD

On January 16 2014 07:19 DinoMight wrote:

Pro sports teams frequently bench their best players during exhibition matches or matches that aren't very important to avoid injury. A lot of players turn down things like all-star games etc. to avoid being unfit to play their important games.

On January 16 2014 06:06 mikkmagro wrote:
Technically Bomber had more points but oh well

On January 16 2014 09:18 SpunXtain20 wrote:


Okay near bonjwa might be an exageration, but July, Jaedong and Bisu were near-bonjwas in BW with ~5 championships a piece. Taeja has won that many in the space of about 6 months, at the least it is certainly an impressive achievement to be consistantly dominant like this.

On January 16 2014 07:15 giftdgecko wrote:

With little to gain and a lot to lose, yeah... they do. Nazgul came out and said that he had a redic schedule and was worsening his wrist problems if I remember right. So with no guarantee on the upcoming format of WCS why play the match and risk injury?

On January 16 2014 16:09 RyLai wrote:


If this is true, then it's simply a problem with the system. Someone in the EU challenger played random because he didn't give a shit anymore since it meant little to nothing. If a match has almost no relevance, it's hard to convince the players to try hard for it unless they have a lot of pride.

Though to MajOr, people tend to be kinder to players they favor more. :/ We just need to get you on Liquid and get you a bunch of top finishes in major tournaments. Idk. People definitely have a double standard for their more favored players.

On January 16 2014 09:21 Bagration wrote:


Can't even beat elfi
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On January 17 2014 04:03 magicallypuzzled wrote:
soooo do we know who is taking taeja"s challenger spot? or is one group simply having a free win?


edit and by group i mean pro

On January 16 2014 16:09 RyLai wrote:


If this is true, then it's simply a problem with the system. Someone in the EU challenger played random because he didn't give a shit anymore since it meant little to nothing. If a match has almost no relevance, it's hard to convince the players to try hard for it unless they have a lot of pride.

Though to MajOr, people tend to be kinder to players they favor more. :/ We just need to get you on Liquid and get you a bunch of top finishes in major tournaments. Idk. People definitely have a double standard for their more favored players.

On January 17 2014 04:35 Wuster wrote:


It's an old problem, as old as sports itself.

The views of foreigners and Koreans are pretty different on this subject too. Exhibit a) Naniwa's Probe rush

Also, it's a sad truth that how much you like the the player(s) involved colors your stance too. No one here's hating on Taeja for forfeiting, but Painuser got strung up the gibbet for forfeiting NASL (he was winless with 2 games to go or something?).

On January 17 2014 04:45 Yakikorosu wrote:


Not really fair to compare TaeJa forfeiting Challenger to NaNiwa's probe rush. TaeJa forfeited an *online* match in advance of the match. NaNiwa "forfeited" an *offline* match that fans had come to see after already starting the game, thus (of course) making sure that all the attention was on him before he forfeited. If instead of probe rush he had quietly gone backstage in advance and told admins that he isn't going to play the remaining match because it's meaningless, it probably would have been still received poorly, but not AS poorly.

On January 17 2014 04:25 Yakikorosu wrote:


They'll almost certainly do what WCS EU did with missing challenger spots (Mvp moved up to Premier, LucifroN retired) and designate the "new qualifiers" with the most WCS points last year as "defending" challenger players (so they will play another of the newly qualified players).

On January 17 2014 06:32 TiberiusAk wrote:

That's not how WCS EU did the leftover challenger players actually. The empty challenger slots were filled with the next-in-line finishers from the Ladder Wildcard qualifier (http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2/wcs/news/235726/). NASL earlier announced that WCS AM is using the same method.

On January 17 2014 06:57 Yakikorosu wrote:


Well its both what you said and what I said. You have to address both that there are now fewer players in total and that there are now more 'new' players than 'old' players to play against. I was talking about the latter. So now in eu challenger grubby for example is an 'old' player even though he just qualified.

If we're counting only points in WCS AM Premiere and Challenger 2013, I counted Revival got 1550 and Taeja got 1450:

Taeja:
S1: 300 + 50
S2: 750
S3: 300 + 50
Total: 1450

Revival:
S1: 1000
S2: 300 + 100
S3: 100 + 50
Total: 1550

Source: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Standings
(Fun fact: Scarlett also had 1450 points by this measure.)

That said, maybe NASL meant to say they picked the player from WCS AM with the most WCS points globally.

On January 16 2014 22:39 Maegi wrote:
LOL going back to korea. Hack next GSL champion?

On January 18 2014 00:12 UR.Solo wrote:



You're also forgetting about the Major tournaments that would've got them points

On January 16 2014 06:39 MajOr wrote:

ya man he can read into the future the new plans for wcs 2014 and also knew hack would switch back to kr.. cmon lol also this community its soooo hypocrit not even funny i forfeited shoutcraft cuz the pc from the lan i was playing had basically 20 fps. and i get shiited on but he forfeited his challenger league match(dont really know the reason) and the community didnt shit on him.

just wonderful