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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18770 Posts
September 16 2014 17:04 GMT
#521
I still call bs - they only get WCS because its red bull and the prolly used their power of money to get that
movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
September 16 2014 17:29 GMT
#522
despite this, I think sOs should still show up for dreamhack as insurance
asongdotnet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1060 Posts
September 16 2014 18:13 GMT
#523
lots of points and monies available wow!
argonautdice
Profile Joined January 2013
Canada2722 Posts
September 16 2014 18:52 GMT
#524
On September 17 2014 03:13 asongdotnet wrote:
lots of points and monies available wow!

the monies were already there, but the points, THE POINTS

Scarlett, sOs, DRG, and Cure really could use the extra points.
very illegal and very uncool
movac
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada494 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-16 20:50:18
September 16 2014 19:17 GMT
#525
On September 17 2014 03:52 argonautdice wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 03:13 asongdotnet wrote:
lots of points and monies available wow!

the monies were already there, but the points, THE POINTS

Scarlett, sOs, DRG, and Cure really could use the extra points.


Realistically, unless Scarlett or DRG wins thier respective WCS region, the points from this Red Bull won't make a difference. In the case of cure, even if he wins both WCS KR and this tournament, he still won't make a difference since he'll only end up at 2800. If he wins both he'd need to also attend the last dreamhack and make a semi final to finish with 3175 points. Basically he'll need to do what Dear did last year.

Most likely sOs is the only one with something on the line from this tournament for going to blizzcon, but who knows... I think we've seen a ton of surprises already.
opisska
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Poland8852 Posts
September 16 2014 20:38 GMT
#526
Yeah, sadly most of the big changes in the table are just wild speculations. The Aligulac predictions really paint the picture of what is believable. But we can believe!

The strangest thing anyway is the feeling that Scarlett is more likely to win WCS than DRG is.
"Jeez, that's far from ideal." - Serral, the king of mild trashtalk
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KillerDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States498 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-16 21:56:35
September 16 2014 21:53 GMT
#527
For player's events I would like to see something more like this:


foreach tourny_player_is_in:
Out in RO32 and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y
Out in RO16 and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y
...
Wins and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y


I think this is more clear than things like "player gets 1st or 2nd", where many times that ends up being a complicated average of his relative odds of 1st vs 2nd combined with the payoffs in terms of Blizzcon chances for each. Instead with this I see separate line items for 1st and 2nd. If 2nd is good enough and gets him to 100% already I can see that easily enough.

ETA:
If someone must get 1st and lower placements don't help, this will be a bit verbose but I think the simplicity makes up for it.

Desperate player:
Out in RO32..... chances 0%
Out in RO16..... chances 0%
Out in RO8..... chances 0%
Out in RO4..... chances 0%
Out in RO2..... chances 0%
Wins......... chances 75%
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
September 16 2014 21:59 GMT
#528
On September 17 2014 06:53 KillerDucky wrote:
For player's events I would like to see something more like this:


foreach tourny_player_is_in:
Out in RO32 and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y
Out in RO16 and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y
...
Wins and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y


I think this is more clear than things like "player gets 1st or 2nd", where many times that ends up being a complicated average of his relative odds of 1st vs 2nd combined with the payoffs in terms of Blizzcon chances for each. Instead with this I see separate line items for 1st and 2nd. If 2nd is good enough and gets him to 100% already I can see that easily enough.

ETA:
If someone must get 1st and lower placements don't help, this will be a bit verbose but I think the simplicity makes up for it.

Desperate player:
Out in RO32..... chances 0%
Out in RO16..... chances 0%
Out in RO8..... chances 0%
Out in RO4..... chances 0%
Out in RO2..... chances 0%
Wins......... chances 75%

This sounds like the same thing as the "simple" filter, try typing it into the events search filter. I might make this the default or just weight them more heavily.
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KillerDucky
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States498 Posts
September 16 2014 22:03 GMT
#529
On September 17 2014 06:59 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 06:53 KillerDucky wrote:
For player's events I would like to see something more like this:


foreach tourny_player_is_in:
Out in RO32 and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y
Out in RO16 and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y
...
Wins and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y


I think this is more clear than things like "player gets 1st or 2nd", where many times that ends up being a complicated average of his relative odds of 1st vs 2nd combined with the payoffs in terms of Blizzcon chances for each. Instead with this I see separate line items for 1st and 2nd. If 2nd is good enough and gets him to 100% already I can see that easily enough.

ETA:
If someone must get 1st and lower placements don't help, this will be a bit verbose but I think the simplicity makes up for it.

Desperate player:
Out in RO32..... chances 0%
Out in RO16..... chances 0%
Out in RO8..... chances 0%
Out in RO4..... chances 0%
Out in RO2..... chances 0%
Wins......... chances 75%

This sounds like the same thing as the "simple" filter, try typing it into the events search filter. I might make this the default or just weight them more heavily.


Ah yes nice. But I would like it sorted by tournament first and then by placement/points next.
MarineKingPrime Forever!
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
September 16 2014 22:07 GMT
#530
On September 17 2014 07:03 KillerDucky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 06:59 Die4Ever wrote:
On September 17 2014 06:53 KillerDucky wrote:
For player's events I would like to see something more like this:


foreach tourny_player_is_in:
Out in RO32 and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y
Out in RO16 and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y
...
Wins and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y


I think this is more clear than things like "player gets 1st or 2nd", where many times that ends up being a complicated average of his relative odds of 1st vs 2nd combined with the payoffs in terms of Blizzcon chances for each. Instead with this I see separate line items for 1st and 2nd. If 2nd is good enough and gets him to 100% already I can see that easily enough.

ETA:
If someone must get 1st and lower placements don't help, this will be a bit verbose but I think the simplicity makes up for it.

Desperate player:
Out in RO32..... chances 0%
Out in RO16..... chances 0%
Out in RO8..... chances 0%
Out in RO4..... chances 0%
Out in RO2..... chances 0%
Wins......... chances 75%

This sounds like the same thing as the "simple" filter, try typing it into the events search filter. I might make this the default or just weight them more heavily.


Ah yes nice. But I would like it sorted by tournament first and then by placement/points next.

the default sort is by the score of the event (how significant it thinks the event is) I think sorting by tournament then placing might be good, right now you can filter by the tournament name though
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
September 16 2014 22:22 GMT
#531
On September 17 2014 06:59 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 06:53 KillerDucky wrote:
For player's events I would like to see something more like this:


foreach tourny_player_is_in:
Out in RO32 and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y
Out in RO16 and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y
...
Wins and gets X wcs points. Blizzcon chances = Y


I think this is more clear than things like "player gets 1st or 2nd", where many times that ends up being a complicated average of his relative odds of 1st vs 2nd combined with the payoffs in terms of Blizzcon chances for each. Instead with this I see separate line items for 1st and 2nd. If 2nd is good enough and gets him to 100% already I can see that easily enough.

ETA:
If someone must get 1st and lower placements don't help, this will be a bit verbose but I think the simplicity makes up for it.

Desperate player:
Out in RO32..... chances 0%
Out in RO16..... chances 0%
Out in RO8..... chances 0%
Out in RO4..... chances 0%
Out in RO2..... chances 0%
Wins......... chances 75%

This sounds like the same thing as the "simple" filter, try typing it into the events search filter. I might make this the default or just weight them more heavily.

I weighted the "simple" events much more heavily, should be a little less intimidating now on the first few pages of events
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tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
September 17 2014 03:59 GMT
#532
Where is HerO?
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The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
September 17 2014 04:02 GMT
#533
On September 17 2014 12:59 tree.hugger wrote:
Where is HerO?

He's at 6-7% now. Goes up to 100% if he wins and down to 0.15% if he doesn't win it all.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Circumstance
Profile Blog Joined March 2014
United States11403 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-17 04:17:40
September 17 2014 04:16 GMT
#534
On September 17 2014 13:02 The_Templar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 12:59 tree.hugger wrote:
Where is HerO?

He's at 6-7% now. Goes up to 100% if he wins and down to 0.15% if he doesn't win it all.


I'm on an old mobile so I can't check right now, but is that a percentage for if he finishes 2nd, or just if he doesn't finish 1st?
The world is better when every background has a chance.
The_Templar
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
your Country52798 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-09-17 04:20:35
September 17 2014 04:20 GMT
#535
On September 17 2014 13:16 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 13:02 The_Templar wrote:
On September 17 2014 12:59 tree.hugger wrote:
Where is HerO?

He's at 6-7% now. Goes up to 100% if he wins and down to 0.15% if he doesn't win it all.


I'm on an old mobile so I can't check right now, but is that a percentage for if he finishes 2nd, or just if he doesn't finish 1st?

That's if he doesn't finish first, he's down to .15%. However, second place would be a lot higher since that includes finishing in ro16.
ModeratorI am still alive, somehow
TL+ Member
Chillidawg
Profile Blog Joined November 2013
Norway50 Posts
September 17 2014 08:21 GMT
#536
So this Red Bull event suddently gets more WCS points and WEC didn't? I'm happy for Scarlett and $o$ but I still think it's kind of unfair.
Snute | Jaedong | HerO ... "Any community that gets its laughs by pretending to be idiots will eventually be flooded by actual idiots who mistakenly believe that they’re in good company." -Renê Descartes
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
September 17 2014 09:16 GMT
#537
On September 17 2014 13:16 Circumstance wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2014 13:02 The_Templar wrote:
On September 17 2014 12:59 tree.hugger wrote:
Where is HerO?

He's at 6-7% now. Goes up to 100% if he wins and down to 0.15% if he doesn't win it all.


I'm on an old mobile so I can't check right now, but is that a percentage for if he finishes 2nd, or just if he doesn't finish 1st?

~ 10.62 % of the time
HerO gets 2nd in WCS AM S3 Premier
This would change HerO's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 6.28 % to ~ 2.12 %

~ 5.91 % of the time
HerO gets 1st in WCS AM S3 Premier
This would change HerO's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 6.28 % to ~ 100 %

~ 0.02 % of the time
HerO gets 1st in DreamHack Stockholm and
HerO gets 4th in WCS AM S3 Premier
This would change HerO's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 6.28 % to ~ 99.94 %

~ 0.01 % of the time
HerO gets 2nd in DreamHack Stockholm and
HerO gets 2nd in WCS AM S3 Premier
This would change HerO's Blizzcon chances
from ~ 6.28 % to ~ 99.9 %
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Beta2k
Profile Joined November 2011
Austria218 Posts
September 17 2014 18:48 GMT
#538
so how does innovations wins today influence snute's percentage?
Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17750 Posts
September 17 2014 18:52 GMT
#539
On September 18 2014 03:48 Beta2k wrote:
so how does innovations wins today influence snute's percentage?

Snute went from ~ 69.66 % to ~ 69.91 % after the 2 GSL matches, Innovation's win and Solar's loss kind of cancelled each other out for Snute I guess.
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Beta2k
Profile Joined November 2011
Austria218 Posts
September 17 2014 19:01 GMT
#540
On September 18 2014 03:52 Die4Ever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2014 03:48 Beta2k wrote:
so how does innovations wins today influence snute's percentage?

Snute went from ~ 69.66 % to ~ 69.91 % after the 2 GSL matches, Innovation's win and Solar's loss kind of cancelled each other out for Snute I guess.


ah okay. thanks for pointing that out and sorry if it the info was/is available already somewhere. i may have overlooked
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