EPTHotS Balance Update - November 11 - Page 58
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
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PanzerElite
540 Posts
On November 14 2013 06:26 awesomoecalypse wrote: Umm, "Tank" has meant "an armored fighting vehicle with some sort of powerful turret or cannon for shooting stuff" for a LOT longer than its meant "a class or unit that soaks up damage in a video game." Going back to BW, Siege Tanks have always been Tanks in the original sense, not the MMO sense. Wanting Tanks to be good at soaking damage because they happen to share a name with an unrelated term is pretty silly. Also, how would that even work? A super long range unit that is designed to soak up damage on the front lines is an inherent contradiction. Sry, but heavily armored Panzer are far superior to mere infantry. | ||
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Deleted User 261926
960 Posts
On November 14 2013 06:27 stratmatt wrote: Couldnt tell you how many games now I've blind scouted proxy oracles only to get accused of map hacking....are protoss players really that fuckin dumb that they dont think its compeltely obvious that every single one of them will go proxy oracle now that this buff went live? Worst still is that even though I scout it, they do ridiculous damage anyways.... you scout proxy oracle and get damaged heavily? Protoss players are so fucking dumb.. ^^ | ||
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Hextor
16 Posts
On November 14 2013 06:26 awesomoecalypse wrote: Umm, "Tank" has meant "an armored fighting vehicle with some sort of powerful turret or cannon for shooting stuff" for a LOT longer than its meant "a class or unit that soaks up damage in a video game." Going back to BW, Siege Tanks have always been Tanks in the original sense, not the MMO sense. Wanting Tanks to be good at soaking damage because they happen to share a name with an unrelated term is pretty silly. Also, how would that even work? A super long range unit that is designed to soak up damage on the front lines is an inherent contradiction. Extremely well armored, at 1 point. And as durable as a Stalker. And there's this Tempest thing, hardcounter for tanks, with hp/shields/armor as high as a Carrier, for 4 supply. | ||
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On November 14 2013 06:36 Karpfen wrote: you scout proxy oracle and get damaged heavily? Protoss players are so fucking dumb.. ^^ Only a couple times and its mainly because I havnt quite figured out how to modify my build outside of building an ebay at 430 and putting myself way behind yet. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On November 14 2013 06:27 stratmatt wrote: Couldnt tell you how many games now I've blind scouted proxy oracles only to get accused of map hacking....are protoss players really that fuckin dumb that they dont think its compeltely obvious that every single one of them will go proxy oracle now that this buff went live? Worst still is that even though I scout it, they do ridiculous damage anyways.... If it make you feel better, all cheese is like that, even for Protoss. I still get mauled by a scouted 9 pool, even on a good day. | ||
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Pirfiktshon
United States1072 Posts
Edit: I should qualify that throw it up as a Short Term protection until you can safely get a turret up  | ||
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TeeTS
Germany2762 Posts
TvZ was already getting really hard, it´s now just even harder. You are not allowed to lose anything without trading efficiant, because while widow mines still do their job kinda okay, they are just not that efficiant anymore to equal out loses like an intercepted drop. Just my personal view on things, after a frustrating day of european master league... | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland27471 Posts
I am still frustrated by the Oracle changes. A unit that is so dependent on proxying and so all-or-nothing. Combined with photon overcharge it makes early game TvP so frustrating. Envision and revelation are good abilities with utility. I'd love to see an Oracle with some other spell that works in a supporting role. No great ideas here mind, but say shutting down static D so phoenixes can do their shit. Protoss never needed another harassment unit, they need ways to use their options more effectively. For me the Phoenix is the epitome of a good harassment unit, requires attention and multitasking to use to its potential and has some cool tricks it can do like lifting your own units to save them | ||
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Pesk
12 Posts
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Hextor
16 Posts
On November 14 2013 07:11 Pesk wrote: The amount of crying terrans in this thread, is amazing. How could any of you not see that widow mine was going to get nerfed, it was insanely overpowerd. Your tears taste delicious. Widowmine nerf is ok. The tank "buff" is laughable. | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On November 14 2013 07:16 Hextor wrote: Widowmine nerf is ok. The tank "buff" is laughable. It's better than nothing, and with something like the Siege Tank, it's way too easy to overdo it and break everything. | ||
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TaishiCi
Korea (South)211 Posts
On November 14 2013 06:39 stratmatt wrote: Only a couple times and its mainly because I havnt quite figured out how to modify my build outside of building an ebay at 430 and putting myself way behind yet. Actually almost anything other than the traditional 1 rax expand into 3 rax before gas works well against proxy oracle if scouted. I've been playing super safe and slow with 1 reaper opening into 2 widow mine 4 marine drop with first medvac. Reactor expand usually keeps me pretty safe too. The solution isn't to build tons of static D, but to get enough units out in time to repel the oracle. Even off 1 rax expand, if I adjust and saturate my main first I can cover enough ground to not take too much damage from it. The only way to really take significant losses is to be out of place. I don't know what level you play at, but it sounds like pretty low. (no offense) The balance really doesn't matter at all, it is your mechanics that is keeping you in the lower leagues. | ||
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
On November 14 2013 07:11 Pesk wrote: The amount of crying terrans in this thread, is amazing. How could any of you not see that the widow mine was going to get nerfed, it was insanely overpowerd. Your tears taste delicious. It admittedly took a very long while for pro Zergs to figure out how to defeat widow mines. I expected to see a nerf to widow mines 4-5 months ago. But now they have figured it out. The nerf isn't necessary anymore, and will make a balanced matchup unbalanced. | ||
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Chaggi
Korea (South)1936 Posts
On November 14 2013 07:33 Empirimancer wrote: It admittedly took a very long while for pro Zergs to figure out how to defeat widow mines. I expected to see a nerf to widow mines 4-5 months ago. But now they have figured it out. The nerf isn't necessary anymore, and will make a balanced matchup unbalanced. The idea of it came about very early when Life showed it off in one of the first few HoTS tournaments. It took awhile for it to be super consistent against multi-pronged aggression. | ||
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BigAsia
Canada451 Posts
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stratmatt
United States913 Posts
On November 14 2013 07:11 Pesk wrote: The amount of crying terrans in this thread, is amazing. How could any of you not see that widow mine was going to get nerfed, it was insanely overpowerd. Your tears taste delicious. The WM was hardly 'insanely' op. | ||
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Pesk
12 Posts
On November 14 2013 07:37 BigAsia wrote: Lol so glad I don't play this game anymore. Dota ftw! No one cares, gtfo out ass. User was warned for this post | ||
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Kevin_Sorbo
Canada3217 Posts
same could be said about your comment on 'insanely op'' widow mine... | ||
digmouse
China6333 Posts
On November 14 2013 07:37 BigAsia wrote: Lol so glad I don't play this game anymore. Dota ftw! bye, don't let me see you around here again. | ||
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