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jackslater
Russian Federation604 Posts
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On October 08 2013 02:28 Sejanus wrote: It's very hard to take WCS seriously with byes all over the place due to players retiring, not getting visas, choosing different tournaments to attend and so on. No it does not. Even bad basketball pro players find somewhere to play, and I am pretty sure they earn more than an average progamer. Even my little country Lithuania has two basketball leagues and majority of players here are objectively very bad compared to those "at the very top", i.e. NBA stars. But I don't mean SC2 is necessarily bad by that. It's just not where money is at. Dunno, but I know a handful of ppl who tried to become professional football players and quit in their 20s because they were just not making a living from it or didn't have any real perspective to ever earn decently. edit: also gl in the future shuttle! | ||
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mechengineer123
Ukraine711 Posts
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Mortal
2943 Posts
On October 08 2013 02:33 tar wrote: Dunno, but I know a handful of ppl who tried to become professional football players and quit in their 20s because they were just not making a living from it or didn't have any real perspective to ever earn decently. comparing SC2 to any professional mainstream sport is a laughable comparison. in nearly every respect. apples and fire hydrants. | ||
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bouboule
American Samoa62 Posts
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Erik.TheRed
United States1655 Posts
And I know it's a sad situation, but I can't stop humming this song lately. + Show Spoiler + | ||
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10bulgares
352 Posts
The global downsizing of starcraft is also a very real phenomena. Compared to the popularity of BW, SC2 is nothing in Korea, I've heard. What the people enjoy at the moment is LOL. Of course it follows that the sponsors will disengage and many players will quit due to the lack of ressources. If you compare the prize money of the GSL to what is given in the WCS, or simply the prize money for the whole year of SC2, you see a noticeable decline (from 2012 to 2013) | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On October 08 2013 02:34 Mortal wrote: comparing SC2 to any professional mainstream sport is a laughable comparison. in nearly every respect. apples and fire hydrants. in that case it actually isn't. Sports as a career only pays out for those who play it at the highest lvl, yet there are a lot more ppl trying to reach that level yet never do. Same goes for sc2. ofc, the bigger the sport, the more ppl can make a living of it (however, also more ppl will try to do so) | ||
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Sejanus
Lithuania550 Posts
Dunno, but I know a handful of ppl who tried to become professional football players and quit in their 20s because they were just not making a living from it or didn't have any real perspective to ever earn decently. But of course not literally everyone can be a pro basketball player. Like not everyone can become a programmer, engineer, goon, pilot, driver and so on. All I am saying is you don't need to be a top player to earn good living in any mainstream pro sports. SC2 doesn't even compare like someone already said. Someone playing in the small countries basketball B league sure as hell doesn't make nothing comparable to what Kobe Bryant does... but he probably still earns more than majority of worldwide known SC2 pros. | ||
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DifuntO
Greece2376 Posts
There are just too many players.We need region lock next year so we can at least protect the foreign scene until Korea stabilizes. | ||
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
On October 08 2013 01:51 DiMano wrote: WTF WHY EVRYONE RETIRES???????? What is wrog explain me please about 15-20 koreans have retired wtf is this... He is retiring (probably) because: a) He had a good deal at Clarity, because he was easily their best player, and they paid him a salary, as well as let him live in their team house in New York. When he left due to communication issues in order for him to travel to IEM Shanghai, it is probable that he couldn't find any other team ready to invest as much in him as Clarity did. b) With the rumours that this year's challenger league not seeding into next year's, it was perhaps not worth it for him to play anymore, also considering that even if he made it to Premier, he could not afford to travel to Europe on his own dime. Teamless Koreans won't have an easy time in WCS EU/AM, and he pretty much has no chance of making it in WCS KR. c) He had military service, and since his SC2 career was far from booming, and there was hardly any positive outlook for him, being an average Korean pro (being generous) without a team, it was a good time to get the military service out of his way. Everyone retires because there's just no place for so many progamers, particularly in Korea. Nowadays, if you're an older player (20+), and not in Premier or borderline Premier, you're pretty much dead weight, especially those KeSPA players who are paid a salary, and the same goes for younger players who are not in Challenger at least a couple of times a year. It's no longer viable for teams to have 15+ players on their roster. 6-7 is more than enough. | ||
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tar
Germany991 Posts
On October 08 2013 02:41 Sejanus wrote: But of course not literally everyone can be a pro basketball player. Like not everyone can become a programmer, engineer, goon, pilot, driver and so on. All I am saying is you don't need to be a top player to earn good living in any mainstream pro sports. SC2 doesn't even compare like someone already said. I would argue the German Bundesliga is a rather big sports league and yet statistics say 25 percent of all professional players are bankrupt at the end of their career. Excluding the 1st league numbers go up to about edit: Making a living in a pro sport is damn hard even when the sport is as big as football. | ||
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MrMercuG
Netherlands2389 Posts
On October 08 2013 02:36 Erik.TheRed wrote: So many damn retirements recently :/ And I know it's a sad situation, but I can't stop humming this song lately. + Show Spoiler + http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rY0WxgSXdEE That seems quite depressive | ||
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Mortal
2943 Posts
sc2 needs way less players. WAY less. pretty straightforward. | ||
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skatblast
United States784 Posts
On October 08 2013 01:22 SkullZ9 wrote: Are there players retiring everyday ?  People retire and new blood replaces them it happens all the time. | ||
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Micro_Jackson
Germany2002 Posts
On October 08 2013 02:41 tar wrote: in that case it actually isn't. Sports as a career only pays out for those who play it at the highest lvl, yet there are a lot more ppl trying to reach that level yet never do. Same goes for sc2. ofc, the bigger the sport, the more ppl can make a living of it (however, also more ppl will try to do so) What you call "bad basketball pro players" are better than 99% of all people taking their sport serious. Yes even Kwame Brown. And if you make it percent wise there are way more sc2 players that make a lifing out of it then in every "regular" sport. | ||
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Hermanoid
Sweden213 Posts
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TommyP
United States6231 Posts
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Crytash
Germany251 Posts
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hypercube
Hungary2735 Posts
On October 08 2013 02:41 Sejanus wrote: But of course not literally everyone can be a pro basketball player. Like not everyone can become a programmer, engineer, goon, pilot, driver and so on. All I am saying is you don't need to be a top player to earn good living in any mainstream pro sports. SC2 doesn't even compare like someone already said. Someone playing in the small countries basketball B league sure as hell doesn't make nothing comparable to what Kobe Bryant does... but he probably still earns more than majority of worldwide known SC2 pros. There are probably as many basketball fans in Lithuania as there are SC2 fans in the world. And they are probably more loyal, more willing to spend money on tickets, merchandise, etc. But yes, you don't need to be a top player to make a decent living in mainstream sports. There are maybe 50 000 professional football players in the world. Interestingly, you do need to pretty good in some mainstream individual sports. E.g I'm guessing less than 1000 people make a living from playing tennis (men and women). | ||
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