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CarlMikael
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden1043 Posts
October 08 2013 02:05 GMT
#121
Used to watch Mentalking's stream everyday a long time ago.
Sad to see him go
fuzzylogic44
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada2633 Posts
October 08 2013 02:18 GMT
#122
There are about 100 more korean pros than can be sustained. Retirements help this. Good luck to Shuttle.
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
October 08 2013 02:30 GMT
#123
On October 08 2013 11:18 fuzzylogic44 wrote:
There are about 100 more korean pros than can be sustained. Retirements help this. Good luck to Shuttle.

I dont know about that; is eSports dying??????

jk idc lol
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
ViceroPrime
Profile Joined May 2013
Kyrgyzstan2 Posts
October 08 2013 05:38 GMT
#124
Its time to add to Liquidbets slots for "who will retire next"
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
October 08 2013 06:16 GMT
#125
Hardly noticed Shuttle at all. Makes sense to retire when you can´t make a splash.
Advantageous
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
China1350 Posts
October 08 2013 06:40 GMT
#126
WTFFFFFFFFFFF Sigh... grim day for sc2...
"Because I am BossToss" -MC ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ raise your dongers ヽ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ノ I'm sure that all of my fellow class mates viewed me as the Adonis of the Class of 2015 already. -Xenocider, EG, ieF 2013 Champion.
ArTiFaKs
Profile Joined September 2013
United States1229 Posts
October 08 2013 07:36 GMT
#127
Why come to post about a game that you hate? Why follow an Esports community that apparently you don't even enjoy? This is ridiculous people, new players looking to get into this game are just guna be depressed if they come here. I wouldn't blame them with all the negativity going around. SC2 is a cutthroat game and some people can't handle it. Unfortunately a game like that trying to compete with a game like LoL where everyone and their moms can compete is ridiculous and impossible. Hardcore games like SC and suckass games like LoL will never be the same and thank god, sc2 is highly competitive and new players coming through just get better and better, so it's actually a good thing that these old school players are getting beat out of tournaments because that means the player base is evolving and getting much more skilled. Theres thousands and thousands of people still watching tournament streams all over the world so this game is nowhere near dead. Take this negativity elsewhere it's getting really annoying.
There are things known, and things unknown, and in-between are the doors.
documents
Profile Joined October 2013
Armenia3 Posts
October 08 2013 07:50 GMT
#128
--- Nuked ---
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
October 08 2013 10:15 GMT
#129
Shuttle retires because he knows that in 2014 we will have a region lock.


Source : http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/esport/fin-de-route-pour-shuttle-le-terran-coreen-shuttle-ex-clarity-gaming-annonce-son-depart-de-starcraft-2-96274
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
tar
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany991 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 10:31:49
October 08 2013 10:30 GMT
#130
On October 08 2013 06:41 Caladan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 06:18 SkullZ9 wrote:
On October 08 2013 06:09 Caladan wrote:
"too much progamers" yaddayadda...

I think everyone is agreeing in the fact that if you enjoy a game you play it. That's the point of playing. Payment or not. Why do you think thousands are starting Broodwar again. I can tell you, not for the money.

I won't say more, because it's forbidden on TL.net nowadays to say that the game is not good (in IT terms that's called "security through obscurity"). So I won't say it. Just read that above and think logical please.


Ok so first of all, enjoyment has nothing to do with Shuttle's decision to retire, the reason is he has to do his military service. And you can't be a real progamer, who lives with his passion if you gain zero money from it, that's logical. There are people that plays only because they enjoy the game and they don't have any money from it in BW and in SC2, but you can't call these "progamers".
Progamers : professional gamers. Profession : you live from that


I think he wrote "I retire SC2". He did not write "I retire as a progamer but will continue playing". Please read the OP properly before spreading false information... :/

Besides, having to go *next year* to military is not really a reason to stop playing the game SC2 now, hm?
I'm studying but yet I play plenty of games throughout the day.


you don't retire from a hobby. Nobody's spreading false information, you are rather interpreting something in your own ways, that doesn't make it any more true though...
whoever I pick for my anti team turns gosu
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3695 Posts
October 08 2013 12:00 GMT
#131
On October 08 2013 19:15 Aeromi wrote:
Shuttle retires because he knows that in 2014 we will have a region lock.


Source : http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/esport/fin-de-route-pour-shuttle-le-terran-coreen-shuttle-ex-clarity-gaming-annonce-son-depart-de-starcraft-2-96274


Yay lets post articles in foreign languages with no translation and use them as proof.
ScoutWBF
Profile Joined April 2005
Germany640 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-08 12:09:38
October 08 2013 12:08 GMT
#132
I can confirm that what he wrote is actually correct. The article says that he retired cause of the region lock for WCS 2014 and that he is scared of having a mediocre year in SC2 (Due to WCS Korea) before his military service.

Also complaining in a foreign language about another guy posting in a foreign language. He translated the important part, that's good enough imo. :3
Rickyvalle21
Profile Joined July 2012
United States320 Posts
October 08 2013 12:28 GMT
#133
Idk why people are comparing professional athletes living vs epsorts players living. There are superstar athletes like Kobe and Lebron that make more then Flash Mvp and MC in there lifetime combined in 1 month.
people say practice is perfect but if nothing is perfect whats the point in practicing?
iloveav
Profile Joined November 2008
Poland1482 Posts
October 08 2013 13:48 GMT
#134
This is not so surprising.
SC2 is in a steady slight decline in terms of popularity and Interest.
Its unavoidable that the players who dont see a strong future or at least have a huge passion for the game would want to stay just becouse they "can".
Obviously if its due to something like mandatory military service, its a different story, but still.
aka LRM)Cats_Paw.
Incubus1993
Profile Joined February 2013
Canada140 Posts
October 08 2013 16:15 GMT
#135
lol another one bites the dust
"I like to keep an open mind, but not so open my brains fall out."
krooked
Profile Joined May 2011
376 Posts
October 08 2013 16:24 GMT
#136
On October 08 2013 10:31 WolfintheSheep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 09:54 krooked wrote:
It truly is ridiculous that in every thread so many people talk about "healthy downsizing" and "military service".

Players are retiring because they don't see a future in the game. I won't even go into if they enjoy it or not - They simply do not believe it to be lucrative to keep playing. Because they know that the scene is on a steep decline. If you can't see this by now I wonder if its just pure denial or stupidity.

Nobody is saying that the pro scene will die completely, but sc2 will fall until it is a somewhat niche game for a couple of years before it dies off at last. But don't you guys worry about that, just enjoy the game. Because after all, you are enjoying the game, right?

What's truly ridiculous is people like you who actually believe the state of the scene has any impact on a player like Shuttle's earnings.

Name an Esport that will support a player without a team, without any tournament results and without good stream numbers. Go ahead. We can wait.


Where did I mention Shuttle? Yes, I am aware that this thread is about Shuttle but as I'm sure you've noticed all these retirement-threads tend to have a theme these days. Its "Great stuff, scene is gonna be better, too many players atm" vs "SC2 ded gem". Both sides are too extreme, there is truth in both but whats crazy is that the "ded gem" ppl are mostly trolling while those who cite downsizing is actually dead serious.
Aeromi
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
France14461 Posts
October 08 2013 16:30 GMT
#137
On October 08 2013 21:00 Lorch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 19:15 Aeromi wrote:
Shuttle retires because he knows that in 2014 we will have a region lock.


Source : http://www.millenium.org/starcraft-2/accueil/esport/fin-de-route-pour-shuttle-le-terran-coreen-shuttle-ex-clarity-gaming-annonce-son-depart-de-starcraft-2-96274


Yay lets post articles in foreign languages with no translation and use them as proof.



I translated the main part of the article, I don't think you want to know that Shuttle is 19 ans he has not win anything.
https://twitter.com/DrAeromi | Updates on live tournaments: @StarCrafteSport
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
October 08 2013 16:39 GMT
#138
On October 09 2013 01:24 krooked wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2013 10:31 WolfintheSheep wrote:
On October 08 2013 09:54 krooked wrote:
It truly is ridiculous that in every thread so many people talk about "healthy downsizing" and "military service".

Players are retiring because they don't see a future in the game. I won't even go into if they enjoy it or not - They simply do not believe it to be lucrative to keep playing. Because they know that the scene is on a steep decline. If you can't see this by now I wonder if its just pure denial or stupidity.

Nobody is saying that the pro scene will die completely, but sc2 will fall until it is a somewhat niche game for a couple of years before it dies off at last. But don't you guys worry about that, just enjoy the game. Because after all, you are enjoying the game, right?

What's truly ridiculous is people like you who actually believe the state of the scene has any impact on a player like Shuttle's earnings.

Name an Esport that will support a player without a team, without any tournament results and without good stream numbers. Go ahead. We can wait.


Where did I mention Shuttle? Yes, I am aware that this thread is about Shuttle but as I'm sure you've noticed all these retirement-threads tend to have a theme these days. Its "Great stuff, scene is gonna be better, too many players atm" vs "SC2 ded gem". Both sides are too extreme, there is truth in both but whats crazy is that the "ded gem" ppl are mostly trolling while those who cite downsizing is actually dead serious.

The trolls are pretty serious too. And the downsizing is natural, since many, but not all, of the players retiring haven't won anything or accomplished much. Right now any team less player can claim he is retiring, even if his professional career never has nothing of note. But people take these claims as some sort of evidence of the game dying.
I have the Honor to be your Obedient Servant, P.6
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Die4Ever
Profile Joined August 2010
United States17737 Posts
October 08 2013 17:05 GMT
#139
WCS KR 2014 will be very interesting with a full reset on Code S/A and many returning koreans lol.
"Expert" mods4ever.com
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
October 08 2013 17:08 GMT
#140
On October 09 2013 02:05 Die4Ever wrote:
WCS KR 2014 will be very interesting with a full reset on Code S/A and many returning koreans lol.

In fact i am sure that Soulkey and probably lot more favorites won't qualify at all in those qualifiers.
Yes, Korean scene is THAT stacked.
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