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United States23455 Posts
Shame really. I would've liked to see what he could do in WCS offline. Best of luck to him.
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TLADT24920 Posts
another one retires. Not surprising. Saturated scene and downsizing a bit to try and sustain itself. Best of luck to shuttle!
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On October 08 2013 01:51 JustPassingBy wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 01:51 DiMano wrote:
WTF WHY EVRYONE RETIRES???????? What is wrog explain me please about 15-20 koreans have retired wtf is this... Mandatory Military Service
Also:
Lack of interest in SC2.
Seeing no future in SC2 (Korea) itself.
No results in the highly competitive environment.
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No suprise. Seems like the route everyone is doing now in KR who hasn't done military service. Maybe when they exit duty the game will be back on the rise. Maybe
If not they had a good time and I respect that.
I expect a lot more retirements in the next few months due to the end of WCS for the year.
Lots of reflecting is being done this time of year. Lots of life choices to make.
gl hf shuttle
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On October 08 2013 02:51 USvBleakill wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 02:41 tar wrote:On October 08 2013 02:34 Mortal wrote:On October 08 2013 02:33 tar wrote:On October 08 2013 02:28 Sejanus wrote:It's very hard to take WCS seriously with byes all over the place due to players retiring, not getting visas, choosing different tournaments to attend and so on.
You just cant do "pro" gaming forever if you arent at the very top to get a big contract, that happens in every sport.
No it does not. Even bad basketball pro players find somewhere to play, and I am pretty sure they earn more than an average progamer. Even my little country Lithuania has two basketball leagues and majority of players here are objectively very bad compared to those "at the very top", i.e. NBA stars. But I don't mean SC2 is necessarily bad by that. It's just not where money is at. Dunno, but I know a handful of ppl who tried to become professional football players and quit in their 20s because they were just not making a living from it or didn't have any real perspective to ever earn decently. comparing SC2 to any professional mainstream sport is a laughable comparison. in nearly every respect. apples and fire hydrants. in that case it actually isn't. Sports as a career only pays out for those who play it at the highest lvl, yet there are a lot more ppl trying to reach that level yet never do. Same goes for sc2. ofc, the bigger the sport, the more ppl can make a living of it (however, also more ppl will try to do so) What you call "bad basketball pro players" are better than 99% of all people taking their sport serious. Yes even Kwame Brown. And if you make it percent wise there are way more sc2 players that make a lifing out of it then in every "regular" sport.
A difference though is that most professional players in mainstream sports only retire after nobody wants them anymore. Even star players only routinely retire after their skills have deteriorated so badly that they become end of the bench players.
SC2 on the other hand is still a personality driven game. Most of the recent Korean retirees are still competitive while the foreign scene is still populated by dozens of shitty players with outsized personalities. The best comparison is to Tim Tebow in the NFL, who is probably unknown to non-Americans. Except comparing foreigners' SC2 skills to Tebow's passing skills is a grave insult to Tebow.
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On October 08 2013 03:00 Crytash wrote:
He is 19, pls stop saying that he is old or has to go to the military.
he lives in SK. he's an adult. he is required by law to serve a period in the military. how is this confusing people?
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Ahh, that's too bad to hear that he's retiring.
After this big wave of retirements the scene should stabilize a bit.
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Oh come on, Tim Teboy is (first of all) not totally unknown to a non-USA guy (like me) and secondly he is pure trash. You are exaggerating so hard... He just has to fucking stop thinking he is a QB and learn another Position where he can be valuable for a team and he would have a job.
On October 08 2013 03:23 Mortal wrote:he lives in SK. he's an adult. he is required by law to serve a period in the military. how is this confusing people?
Usually you can defer enlistment as long as you are in school/university, up to 24. So i would say, that unless he is not studying etc. military service should NOT be an issue.
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On October 08 2013 03:23 Mortal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 03:00 Crytash wrote:
He is 19, pls stop saying that he is old or has to go to the military. he lives in SK. he's an adult. he is required by law to serve a period in the military. how is this confusing people?
Same thing is in Finland. You usually go to army when you are 19-20 but you can entreat suspension(I dont know if this is right word). Like most of professional athletes do this. But you have to go to army before you are 30 years old.
I think in Finland your reason can't being pro gamer :D
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The reason Sc2 is dying is the community, everyone used to be complaining about how it will die because of LoL and now everyone are complaining that it's pretty much dead. Why would new players want to start playing this game if they come to sc2 communties and everyone say its dead? :S
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To be honest I wish there was another good RTS game out there right now. I know a lot of people will point to broodwar, but I am one of those people who doesn't find mechanics interesting as much as micro and strategy. SC2 is riding on the fact that there is no real competition right now. That said it comes at no surprise to constantly see retirements in the news section. As a long time supporter of SC2 I really hope that the devs do what needs to be done to breathe new life into the game. I really want SC2 to be a fun game, almost to the point that I am forcing myself to enjoy it.
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On October 08 2013 03:21 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 02:51 USvBleakill wrote:On October 08 2013 02:41 tar wrote:On October 08 2013 02:34 Mortal wrote:On October 08 2013 02:33 tar wrote:On October 08 2013 02:28 Sejanus wrote:It's very hard to take WCS seriously with byes all over the place due to players retiring, not getting visas, choosing different tournaments to attend and so on.
You just cant do "pro" gaming forever if you arent at the very top to get a big contract, that happens in every sport.
No it does not. Even bad basketball pro players find somewhere to play, and I am pretty sure they earn more than an average progamer. Even my little country Lithuania has two basketball leagues and majority of players here are objectively very bad compared to those "at the very top", i.e. NBA stars. But I don't mean SC2 is necessarily bad by that. It's just not where money is at. Dunno, but I know a handful of ppl who tried to become professional football players and quit in their 20s because they were just not making a living from it or didn't have any real perspective to ever earn decently. comparing SC2 to any professional mainstream sport is a laughable comparison. in nearly every respect. apples and fire hydrants. in that case it actually isn't. Sports as a career only pays out for those who play it at the highest lvl, yet there are a lot more ppl trying to reach that level yet never do. Same goes for sc2. ofc, the bigger the sport, the more ppl can make a living of it (however, also more ppl will try to do so) What you call "bad basketball pro players" are better than 99% of all people taking their sport serious. Yes even Kwame Brown. And if you make it percent wise there are way more sc2 players that make a lifing out of it then in every "regular" sport. A difference though is that most professional players in mainstream sports only retire after nobody wants them anymore. Even star players only routinely retire after their skills have deteriorated so badly that they become end of the bench players. SC2 on the other hand is still a personality driven game. Most of the recent Korean retirees are still competitive while the foreign scene is still populated by dozens of shitty players with outsized personalities. The best comparison is to Tim Tebow in the NFL, who is probably unknown to non-Americans. Except comparing foreigners' SC2 skills to Tebow's passing skills is a grave insult to Tebow.
So true. Not even funny.
Funny how professional sports only care about production and ability (Tim is out of a job).
eSports only cares about relate-ability.
People like Sherman because is good, not because he can talk trash.
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On October 08 2013 03:35 TaishiCi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 03:21 andrewlt wrote:On October 08 2013 02:51 USvBleakill wrote:On October 08 2013 02:41 tar wrote:On October 08 2013 02:34 Mortal wrote:On October 08 2013 02:33 tar wrote:On October 08 2013 02:28 Sejanus wrote:It's very hard to take WCS seriously with byes all over the place due to players retiring, not getting visas, choosing different tournaments to attend and so on.
You just cant do "pro" gaming forever if you arent at the very top to get a big contract, that happens in every sport.
No it does not. Even bad basketball pro players find somewhere to play, and I am pretty sure they earn more than an average progamer. Even my little country Lithuania has two basketball leagues and majority of players here are objectively very bad compared to those "at the very top", i.e. NBA stars. But I don't mean SC2 is necessarily bad by that. It's just not where money is at. Dunno, but I know a handful of ppl who tried to become professional football players and quit in their 20s because they were just not making a living from it or didn't have any real perspective to ever earn decently. comparing SC2 to any professional mainstream sport is a laughable comparison. in nearly every respect. apples and fire hydrants. in that case it actually isn't. Sports as a career only pays out for those who play it at the highest lvl, yet there are a lot more ppl trying to reach that level yet never do. Same goes for sc2. ofc, the bigger the sport, the more ppl can make a living of it (however, also more ppl will try to do so) What you call "bad basketball pro players" are better than 99% of all people taking their sport serious. Yes even Kwame Brown. And if you make it percent wise there are way more sc2 players that make a lifing out of it then in every "regular" sport. A difference though is that most professional players in mainstream sports only retire after nobody wants them anymore. Even star players only routinely retire after their skills have deteriorated so badly that they become end of the bench players. SC2 on the other hand is still a personality driven game. Most of the recent Korean retirees are still competitive while the foreign scene is still populated by dozens of shitty players with outsized personalities. The best comparison is to Tim Tebow in the NFL, who is probably unknown to non-Americans. Except comparing foreigners' SC2 skills to Tebow's passing skills is a grave insult to Tebow. So true. Not even funny. Funny how professional sports only care about production and ability (Tim is out of a job). eSports only cares about relate-ability.People like Sherman because is good, not because he can talk trash.
because I relate so much to innovation.
lol
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BW pro scene was only kespa ??
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On October 08 2013 03:21 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 02:51 USvBleakill wrote:On October 08 2013 02:41 tar wrote:On October 08 2013 02:34 Mortal wrote:On October 08 2013 02:33 tar wrote:On October 08 2013 02:28 Sejanus wrote:It's very hard to take WCS seriously with byes all over the place due to players retiring, not getting visas, choosing different tournaments to attend and so on.
You just cant do "pro" gaming forever if you arent at the very top to get a big contract, that happens in every sport.
No it does not. Even bad basketball pro players find somewhere to play, and I am pretty sure they earn more than an average progamer. Even my little country Lithuania has two basketball leagues and majority of players here are objectively very bad compared to those "at the very top", i.e. NBA stars. But I don't mean SC2 is necessarily bad by that. It's just not where money is at. Dunno, but I know a handful of ppl who tried to become professional football players and quit in their 20s because they were just not making a living from it or didn't have any real perspective to ever earn decently. comparing SC2 to any professional mainstream sport is a laughable comparison. in nearly every respect. apples and fire hydrants. in that case it actually isn't. Sports as a career only pays out for those who play it at the highest lvl, yet there are a lot more ppl trying to reach that level yet never do. Same goes for sc2. ofc, the bigger the sport, the more ppl can make a living of it (however, also more ppl will try to do so) What you call "bad basketball pro players" are better than 99% of all people taking their sport serious. Yes even Kwame Brown. And if you make it percent wise there are way more sc2 players that make a lifing out of it then in every "regular" sport. A difference though is that most professional players in mainstream sports only retire after nobody wants them anymore. Even star players only routinely retire after their skills have deteriorated so badly that they become end of the bench players. SC2 on the other hand is still a personality driven game. Most of the recent Korean retirees are still competitive while the foreign scene is still populated by dozens of shitty players with outsized personalities. The best comparison is to Tim Tebow in the NFL, who is probably unknown to non-Americans. Except comparing foreigners' SC2 skills to Tebow's passing skills is a grave insult to Tebow.
Just stop about this unholy comparison. Mainstream sports pay so much more for their atlethes in wages you can't even compare it to SC2.
Look at the prizes. So if they win their group, they get 200$??
Are you supposed to live of that?
If you are not the top 10 SC2 pros, you can't really live of it well. Even if you are top10, you won't make that much, so that you can retire after gaming, but instead must look for a job. And this is hard, if you did nothing but playing SC2.
So stop the comparisions to sports in which even mediocre players in the top leagues earn 40000 $ A WEEK no matter if they win or not!
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On October 08 2013 03:44 testthewest wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2013 03:21 andrewlt wrote:On October 08 2013 02:51 USvBleakill wrote:On October 08 2013 02:41 tar wrote:On October 08 2013 02:34 Mortal wrote:On October 08 2013 02:33 tar wrote:On October 08 2013 02:28 Sejanus wrote:It's very hard to take WCS seriously with byes all over the place due to players retiring, not getting visas, choosing different tournaments to attend and so on.
You just cant do "pro" gaming forever if you arent at the very top to get a big contract, that happens in every sport.
No it does not. Even bad basketball pro players find somewhere to play, and I am pretty sure they earn more than an average progamer. Even my little country Lithuania has two basketball leagues and majority of players here are objectively very bad compared to those "at the very top", i.e. NBA stars. But I don't mean SC2 is necessarily bad by that. It's just not where money is at. Dunno, but I know a handful of ppl who tried to become professional football players and quit in their 20s because they were just not making a living from it or didn't have any real perspective to ever earn decently. comparing SC2 to any professional mainstream sport is a laughable comparison. in nearly every respect. apples and fire hydrants. in that case it actually isn't. Sports as a career only pays out for those who play it at the highest lvl, yet there are a lot more ppl trying to reach that level yet never do. Same goes for sc2. ofc, the bigger the sport, the more ppl can make a living of it (however, also more ppl will try to do so) What you call "bad basketball pro players" are better than 99% of all people taking their sport serious. Yes even Kwame Brown. And if you make it percent wise there are way more sc2 players that make a lifing out of it then in every "regular" sport. A difference though is that most professional players in mainstream sports only retire after nobody wants them anymore. Even star players only routinely retire after their skills have deteriorated so badly that they become end of the bench players. SC2 on the other hand is still a personality driven game. Most of the recent Korean retirees are still competitive while the foreign scene is still populated by dozens of shitty players with outsized personalities. The best comparison is to Tim Tebow in the NFL, who is probably unknown to non-Americans. Except comparing foreigners' SC2 skills to Tebow's passing skills is a grave insult to Tebow. Just stop about this unholy comparison. Mainstream sports pay so much more for their atlethes in wages you can't even compare it to SC2. Look at the prizes. So if they win their group, they get 200$?? Are you supposed to live of that? If you are not the top 10 SC2 pros, you can't really live of it well. Even if you are top10, you won't make that much, so that you can retire after gaming, but instead must look for a job. And this is hard, if you did nothing but playing SC2. So stop the comparisions to sports in which even mediocre players in the top leagues earn 40000 $ A WEEK no matter if they win or not!
You have some misconceptions here. Is HuK in the top 10 players of the world right now? Extend that to players such as Naniwa, Nerchio etc.? They are all very good foreign players, but on the whole, Koreans fill that top 10 spot. Many talented players are backed up by sponsors and get salaries, housing and training which still makes pro gaming feasible for them.
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Most of these Koreans retiring are 20-25 years old. They still have a bright future ahead of them and sometimes you have to let go of what you currently have to achieve something better, and to most, these equals retiring from a very unstable gaming career. It's not about balance/dying or even enjoyment of the game. People grow up. We can't all be stuck in a gateway virtual land for all our years ^^.
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iloveoov returning to a shattered scene.
just kidding, guys. keep in mind that those retires are a mixture of the shrinking scene (which is due to less popularity pretty normal, sadly) and also a change of generations. not everyone can be a nestea or a grubby  .
good luck, and a life full of fun and success to your, shuttle. thanks for the entertainment you brought to the game.
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oh my god, at first i read snute retiring from sc2. got a heartattack there.
hmm.. ye he didn't do too well in 2013, not surprising that he retires i think.
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EPT
