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On October 02 2013 02:41 TaishiCi wrote:
Wow...
Even if there is no Korean scene or it isn't thriving, Koreans are going to be the best players in sc2.
I fear there will be no more Sc2 Proleagues.
WCS hurt both Koreans and foreigners, probably Koreans more.
You do realize that this has more to do with their sponsor being in the verge of bankruptcy, right? WCS didn't cause that...
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On October 02 2013 03:02 Sated wrote:
If you take an already saturated scene and add a whole bunch of new pro teams (KeSPA) then some of those new players (and some of the old ones) aren't going to be good enough any more. It's pretty simple logic. It has nothing to do with the game "dying".
It's not about them not being good enough though. The problem is the sponsor, and thats not caused of too many players
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I remember Woongjin being in trouble a while ago, before STX dropped SouL, I guess this is just that economic reality coming to pass. Frowntown.
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I'd be pretty sad to see woongjin go. That said, if the korean scene were to collapse down to a unified team leauge with a few less teams it would be worth it.
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On October 02 2013 02:16 Waxangel wrote:
taking the OP
Thank you. I didn't know that you can edit like this. 
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On October 02 2013 01:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:People who know my post history will know that this is out of character, but... + Show Spoiler +What the ever living fuck balls dickwad! Fuck you Blizz, fuck you and your inability to grasp that winrates mean jack fucking shit! Winrates are just that--winrates! No one whined when Savior had an almost 90% winrate against Terran! No one batted an eyelash when nada, midas, oov had an 80% winrate against Zerg; audience participation boomed! Imbalance is something that brings audiences in! Do you think Idra was famous for good play or for whining about balance? FUCK YES MAKE THE GAME IMBALANCED! We WANT the game to be imbalanced. We want to have to make maps that forces strategies instead of preserving them, we want to be forced to cheese or die, we want to see someone figure out a way to stop said cheese, we want macro games to birth out of a world where cheese happens 90% of the time. BECAUSE ONLY THEN ARE MACRO GAMES IMPRESSIVE! Outside of this post I will still remain objective and show the pros and fucking cons of everything you implement, everything you have implemented, and everything you will implement--but FUCK! FUCKITY FUCK-FUCK YOU FUCKING FUCKS! Blizzard! Stop being so... EA! People please kindly ignore the spoilered text. User was temp banned for this post.
wat
im really confused by what's going on right now with stars, hope it works out.
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lol @people even connecting this to star 2s state in korea. Wongjin has financially problems, and cutting everyone besides the two stars and trying to go with tons of b teamers (they are fucking cheap afterall) only makes sense when you run out of money. I'm rather happy that they are not shutting the team down, afterall they were rumored to do so way before the hole stx/soul thing even started.
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Better personal sponsorship deal than nothing
Soon:
KT as personal sponsor of Flash/Zest/Stats
SKT with Soo/Parting/Rain/Fantasy
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Don't understand Kespa strategy in korea for SC2.
The 2 finalists team of last proleague just gone...
Show me the money !!!!
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The writing is on the wall. Just delaying at this point. Starcraft II. Is getting boring at this point no matter how Artosis and Tasteless try to dress it up. Still way better than other e sports to watch IMO though.
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On October 02 2013 03:36 Lorch wrote:
lol @people even connecting this to star 2s state in korea. Wongjin has financially problems, and cutting everyone besides the two stars and trying to go with tons of b teamers (they are fucking cheap afterall) only makes sense when you run out of money. I'm rather happy that they are not shutting the team down, afterall they were rumored to do so way before the hole stx/soul thing even started.
shhh, don't ruin the fun.
SC2 ded gaem guise.
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On October 02 2013 01:19 Thieving Magpie wrote:People who know my post history will know that this is out of character, but... + Show Spoiler +What the ever living fuck balls dickwad! Fuck you Blizz, fuck you and your inability to grasp that winrates mean jack fucking shit! Winrates are just that--winrates! No one whined when Savior had an almost 90% winrate against Terran! No one batted an eyelash when nada, midas, oov had an 80% winrate against Zerg; audience participation boomed! Imbalance is something that brings audiences in! Do you think Idra was famous for good play or for whining about balance? FUCK YES MAKE THE GAME IMBALANCED! We WANT the game to be imbalanced. We want to have to make maps that forces strategies instead of preserving them, we want to be forced to cheese or die, we want to see someone figure out a way to stop said cheese, we want macro games to birth out of a world where cheese happens 90% of the time. BECAUSE ONLY THEN ARE MACRO GAMES IMPRESSIVE! Outside of this post I will still remain objective and show the pros and fucking cons of everything you implement, everything you have implemented, and everything you will implement--but FUCK! FUCKITY FUCK-FUCK YOU FUCKING FUCKS! Blizzard! Stop being so... EA! People please kindly ignore the spoilered text. User was temp banned for this post.
In a related matter on your spoilered thoughts that led to your tempban, let me quote iloveoov in a recent interview on the same topic (source):
+ Show Spoiler +Reporter: what do you think is the biggest problem with SC2?
"I have played all blizzard games with the exception of WC3. In WoW, there was a character called the Warlock. He could win 2:1 and 3:1. But blizzard kept releasing balance patches. WoW has 10 classes but I saw as blizzard kept releasing buffs and nerfs. So what ended up happening was, people started playing Warlock when it was powerful but soon jumped to Hunter when that was proven to be powerful. One day I awoke to see that they were also doing the same thing to SC2."
Reporter: I think you're referring to something other than balance.
"Let's compare the two games; In SC1, they only released bug patches and was relatively untouched for ten years. We would do starleagues where at times there would only be one or two protosses. Terrans would occupy more than half the pool. If David Kim were there at that time he would have buffed protoss. That would have meant that we would have been without the exciting and awe-inspiring play of Bisu's prime. Protoss was the minority race and difficult. Thus, its play was given birth to by players like Reach and Nal_Ra. To be frank, I think it is David Kim who creates the winner when it is the gamer who must create the game. It doesn't matter what I say though; the truth is David Kim will keep on tweaking the game. I don't know what his true motives are. Is it to create a 5:5:5 of balance? I truly do not know."
So, there we go. I am not a person that goes nuts about David Kim all the time, because I actually think he has a tough job, since he has to keep a balance between the official Blizzard line and the community's will, but the older the game gets, I think the wronger his approach is proven (is that legal english?^^).
I mean, there were so many patches even pre-hots resulting in a huge change, let me just quote some that instantly come to my mind:
- Queen Buff!
- Infestor Nerf!
- Ghost Nerf!
By now, I think it's the wrong approach. The game has no time to develop - as an example for that, I will pull the recent overseer buff. Zerg start to figure out how to micro their overseers into mines, making them attacking the terran's units. Zerg whined a lot about Terran being strong, and in general there was a huge cry for buffs/nerfs due to the matchup becoming stable and boring. Oh well, just let MMMM vs LBM play out for like half a year, I'll make a huge bet that Zerg will figure out a solution for the metagame, which is all about reaching 3/3 and denying Zerg's fourth (as it appears to me, I might be wrong!), besides roach/bane allins.
Edit, final thoughts: iloveoov points out protoss in BW being weak, but the appearance of Bisu (and others before) changed that. The same happened for terran, before Innovation figuring out the power of MMMM pressure off 3 bases, it wasn't used as a tool for stopping zerg's fourth and winning on better trades via 3/3 vs 2/2. So let's just wait for more Saviors, let's wait for more Bisus, before we write off everything. There is way too much whine coming out of the community.
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"We are not disbanding, we are just releasing all of our players except for two, we are still a team, relax, we totally got this"
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Woongjin was having (i refer to the corporate that owns/runs the stars team) financial trouble anyway, how the hell is it related to starcraft 2 ? These guys didnt even have LoL team
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People seem to forget that for the first two years of Starcraft 2's existence, Kespa teams and Kespa players weren't a part of the Starcraft 2 scene at all. If every single Kespa team disbanded and player retired, it would be much like before.
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Goddamn it Woongjin... I hope this doesnt turn into a disband... we need these teams to stay put until Legacy of the Void comes out to fix the game...
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On October 02 2013 00:45 Plansix wrote:
Lack of funding sucks. But Kespa seems to be having a hard time across the board. They rely so much on large Korean sponsors, that it all falls apart when those sponsors move on. To bad, but it is the growing pains for Kespa.
You don't have to worry for Kespa. They have LoL to cash in money. Dumping SC2 and adding LoL as the main game means growth. Just worry for your favorite game and the SC2 scene!
Kespa is saying this to Blizzard: "Screws you, I'm dumping your game and taking in Riot's game"
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On October 02 2013 03:57 roolyo wrote:
Don't understand Kespa strategy in korea for SC2.
The 2 finalists team of last proleague just gone...
Show me the money !!!!
They dont have enough watchers. People in korea dont care about sc2.
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