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SC2 Power Rank - August 2013 - Page 10
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goody153
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boxerfred
Germany8360 Posts
edit: I strongly disagree with Flash being "close but no cigar". He should be in the "Special Mentions"-section. Plus, that punch on Life wasn't necessary at all. | ||
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slowbacontron
United States7722 Posts
On August 09 2013 09:44 boxerfred wrote: sOs still in? I agree with the rest, though. How can you question the position of sOs? I think it's already unnecessarily harsh to drop him 5 places when he only lost 2 maps in the month of July (2-1 Flash in AIMAG and 2-1 Ruin in Code A). He returned to Code S pretty easily and won his game in Proleague. TLPD was incomplete or I didn't look closely enough; he barely missed the Ro16 of qualifiers for WCG Korea by losing to Rain. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
On August 09 2013 08:05 PhoenixVoid wrote: If people were able to base their predictions on recent results and not on their fanboyism, I'm pretty sure most of TL would favor HyuN or TaeJa in a BoX against Flash or JangBi. And yes, a power rank can only rank level of play on the most recent results because they represent the current skill of the player as of late. But most of TL also thinks Nestea is still good and MVP would have a shot in WCS KR ^^ | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
On August 09 2013 09:54 Ammanas wrote: But most of TL also thinks Nestea is still good and MVP would have a shot in WCS KR ^^ Mvp would in Season 1 obviously. Would have made Ro8 at least. | ||
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Ammanas
Slovakia2166 Posts
we will never know though. but no. | ||
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painkilla
United States695 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:34 Elroi wrote: This isnt what we used to call a power rank... This is a ranking by results when it used to be about level of play. I dont think anyone would favor Taeja or Hyun in a box vs flash or jangbi for example. I'd favor Taeja over Flash anyday. | ||
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Echo Six
United States30 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5585 Posts
On August 09 2013 08:05 PhoenixVoid wrote: If people were able to base their predictions on recent results and not on their fanboyism, I'm pretty sure most of TL would favor HyuN or TaeJa in a BoX against Flash or JangBi. And yes, a power rank can only rank level of play on the most recent results because they represent the current skill of the player as of late. Results in relatively weak tournaments. Taeja couldnt get more than a 50% win rate in proleague. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Mzimzim
United States221 Posts
On August 09 2013 04:49 Fionn wrote: I feel like Polt should have been in there if Hyun is in the top ten and his only real loss in a tournament was 3-2 to Revival, the guy who won the tournament, but seeing as he hasn't played Ro16 of WCS AM yet, I guess I can see. I would rank him above Hyun, though. Especially since Hyun bombed the fuck out of AM. Fionn thinks Polt should be in the top ten. You don't say. | ||
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bittman
Australia8759 Posts
On August 09 2013 10:27 Mzimzim wrote: Fionn thinks Polt should be in the top ten. You don't say. Here let me re-write that for you: "Fionn thinks Polt should be the top ten." | ||
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
On August 09 2013 06:46 BronzeKnee wrote: You're mistaking a loss in the Ro4 to a loss in group play. My logic isn't inconsistent. Maru advanced, that is what matters, not that he lost an individual game or match here or there. Your only claim for Innovation not being #1 is that he lost a series 0-4 to Maru. On August 09 2013 06:54 0317`Strike- wrote: "to no one's surprise, he's up at #1 again." INnoVation number one? Come on. He got knocked out of the quarterfinals in one of the most pitiful displays. It wasn't even close! And against a huge underdog, too. It was no upset, it was just showing that he could be targeted and prepared for like any other player. TvT isn't even Maru's best matchup. Clearly, INnoVation has some serious weaknesses. Maru straight up demolished him. Also, INnoVation won a single game in the finals, and it wasn't even ace. By that standard you could say that Mini/Trap/Classic "led their team to victory"... come on. Power Rank, not Hype Rank, please. You need to take into account time for preparation – Maru only needs to prepare for the OSL while Innovation needs to prepare for both proleague and OSL, and he’s of course going to put more emphasis on proleague since STX has never won one and he gets another chance for individual league in WCS finals. You just can’t disregard proleague. Maru had more time and an easier time to prepare. Sure, innovation only won 1 game in the proleague grand finals against Soulkey, but he had to practice for that match against Soulkey, AND also practice for the final ace match on the last map – POTENTIALLY a TvZ against Soulkey OR a TvP against SoS, and he cannot disregard a possible sniper TvTer. In conclusion, all of you who disregard Innovation’s #1 PR spot are completely stupid. | ||
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lynchkin
United States14 Posts
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BearStorm
United States795 Posts
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saltywet
Hong Kong1316 Posts
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Dragoonstorm7
United States599 Posts
On August 09 2013 00:27 T0MORR0W wrote: Revival is not better than Jaedong. IEM Shanghai really showed that didnt it? Jaedong looked especially strong against stuggling MC and HerO. *cue eyeroll* | ||
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malady
United States600 Posts
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BronzeKnee
United States5212 Posts
On August 09 2013 10:54 saltywet wrote: Your only claim for Innovation not being #1 is that he lost a series 0-4 to Maru. You Innovation lovers are ridiculous. Seriously the bias is literally making me disgusted. My claim for isn't for Innovation not being #1 because he lost a series 0-4 to Maru. My claim is for Maru being #1 because he smashed Innovation who was the #1. When you beat the best, you become the best. Look up the definition of the word "best". Doesn't that make sense? This isn't about how everyone stacks up to our God Innovation who must play absolutely terribly and lose everything or he keeps the #1... it is about how each StarCraft 2 player plays in relation to each other. When you present it as "this is why Maru deserves it" rather than "this is why Innovation doesn't deserve it" the argument becomes much stronger. Because you've removed the bias. Without the bias you realize that wins in Proleague and a WCG qualifier pale in comparison to someone dominating the consensus #1 4-0 in the Ro4 of the best individual league in the world. Maru deserves the recognition, denying it is a slap in his face. Plenty of people did well in Proleague and the WCG qualifier in July, but only one swept the consensus #1 in a best of seven series 4-0. And it isn't like the rest of Maru's month was terrible, he played extremely well in WCS. Take another look here at the July stats: Maru is 6-2 (75%) in matches 15-8 (65%) in games. Innovation is 17-4 (80%) in matches and 29-12 (70%) in games. This is average Aligulac rating of Maru's opponents from July: 1603 This is average Aligulac rating of Innovation's opponents from July: 1429 So Innovation has the higher winrate, but it is against lesser opponents. But the main thing is that Maru proved to be the better player than Innovation in July, by sweeping the consensus #1 in a best of 7 series. Sweeping! It wasn't even close, no game was close! You can't be #1 when you drop a best of seven 0-4 in the Ro4 of the best individual league in the world to someone you're supposed to beat. This doesn't mean that Innovation is bad, it doesn't mean he can't retake #1, but it means in July, he wasn't the best. Because Maru was. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5212 Posts
On August 09 2013 07:53 blobrus wrote: Also as far as your Innovation beat Maru, he's better argument: Haypro beat Nestea and barely lost to MVP once at an MLG. According to your formula since we're apparently taking nothing into account other than head to head it goes 1. MVP 2. Haypro 3. Nestea Would that be what you took away from that MLG? If you were judging the performance of players by only that MLG, then what you said is correct of course. How else can you view it? If someone unfamiliar with E-Sports looked only at the results from that MLG they would rank Haypro higher than Nestea. And that should be obvious. However, MLG is more difficult to gauge because it is a single day tournament and you don't have time to specifically prepare for each opponent. For this reason I believe it doesn't require as much SC2 skill, and you rely more on endurance. Finally, those were best of 3, not best of 7, and Haypro didn't sweep Nestea. This Power Rank judges the performance of this month, with some weight given to past performances. Based on the past Innovation should have dominated this month. He did not. He was soundly beaten 4-0. Thus he no longer deserves the #1 spot. That doesn't mean he can't get it back, or that he is bad. It means that when it mattered in July, Maru was better. And the results show that. | ||
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