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Those are graphs, we want the data so we can see where it come from. Those don't even provide what league they are referencing. They don't even show the number of games.
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This looks like the work of the one dude on Reddit who messed up on several things on a past chart he did. Still though, if this is somehow accurate, it paints a much different picture than what tournament representation shows.
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It's good that Blizzard is taking little steps with balance changes. But somehow I don't think this will be the last Hellbat nerf we will see.
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On July 09 2013 04:15 Sokrates wrote:A lot of the zerg wins are due to the roach bane allins, terrans will easily adapt to this and then in 2-3 months it would (will) be 58% for the terrans again.
Terrans make slower 3rd CCs to be safe against roachbane -> they lose their edge in the midgame and get slaughtered by ultras.
Your post is one huge assumption.
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On July 09 2013 04:17 Plansix wrote:Those are graphs, we want the data so we can see where it come from. Those don't even provide what league they are referencing. They don't even show the number of games.
lol. If you read the original post, you know what leagues are included.
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If one main strategy or unit focus gets has a (too) high win rate, it should be nerfed. The race, if it was balanced, then gets buffed in other ways.
That's what we're seeing for terran, Rhaegal. Perhaps you might not like the banshee change much, but whatever the case, their intention IS to balance both the races and the strategic options.
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Give Existor his own icon! So often, he provides a useful banner for a thread.
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On July 09 2013 04:11 SpeedyBozar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:38 jkim91 wrote:On July 09 2013 03:35 SpeedyBozar wrote:
It is total bullshit. I have just watched Fantasy vs. Snute today - Fantasy went for a banshee and a viking. Killed 7 overlords with the viking and because Snute didn't go for mutas, he never ever moved out from his base coz he had no anti-air. Zerg has two anti-air somehow decent units. Mutas are so fragile vs. Terran and hydras are just crap unless you go roach hydra which is not cost effective in late game.
I am not saying it is a big change. But any buff to air units while Zerg doesn't get any buff to his anti-air is fucking stupid. In the last three months I have seen hundreds of ZvT's and definately more than 70% of Zerg's wins was caused by some kind of all in. Queens? Sure dude. I am gonna use queens as my ZvT anti-air so I can move out of my base. :D
Not sure if serious...
Creep spread? It works wonders when moving around the map.
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On July 09 2013 04:19 larse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:17 Plansix wrote:Those are graphs, we want the data so we can see where it come from. Those don't even provide what league they are referencing. They don't even show the number of games. lol. If you read the original post, you know what leagues are included.
I know what Reddit thread it is from and he violated the number one rule of math:
Show your work.
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On July 09 2013 04:16 dangthatsright wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:10 awesomoecalypse wrote:On July 09 2013 04:08 Aunvilgod wrote:On July 09 2013 04:05 awesomoecalypse wrote:I meant June. And aligulac is quite horrid and not accepted by anyone. TLPD is much more accurate. TLPD current top five: Sen Stephano Socke M00nGLade Nerchio Aligulac current top five: INoVation Life MVP Polt Hyun Anyone who "accepts" that TLPD is somehow more accurate is probably on meth. Does anyone on earth really believe that if the TLPD top 5 played the Aligulac top 5 that they wouldn't be utterly stomped? Because if so, I've got this awesome bridge for sale. Oh come on. You took the foreigner one. I think the best representation is probably the Power Rank, followed by the latest GSL result. Mathematical systems just don't cut it. It's actually their global one. if their system can't account for the fact that foreigners are vastly worse than koreans, then that's a major flaw in the system and the entire thing has to be considered suspect. The actual global WoL TLPD
That's wol, not hots.
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On July 09 2013 04:18 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:15 Sokrates wrote:A lot of the zerg wins are due to the roach bane allins, terrans will easily adapt to this and then in 2-3 months it would (will) be 58% for the terrans again. Terrans make slower 3rd CCs to be safe against roachbane -> they lose their edge in the midgame and get slaughtered by ultras. Your post is one huge assumption.
Exactly. TvZ right now involves to turn on the heat at the 11-13 minute mark, and never stop attacking until you win, or gain enough of an advantage and delay the ultra switch for so long that it won't kill you. A fast 3rd cc is almost a necessity, considering how crazy zerg macro can get.
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On July 09 2013 04:16 saddaromma wrote:
pretty big hit to terran.
I guess this will diminish EU/NA terrans even more.
Well Happy is the No1 Terran in EU, does he even use Hellbats, i cant remember seeing him use them in WCS.MVP will still wreak all before him hes that good. As to NA players does it really matter considering its now officially Code A?
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On July 09 2013 04:18 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:15 Sokrates wrote:A lot of the zerg wins are due to the roach bane allins, terrans will easily adapt to this and then in 2-3 months it would (will) be 58% for the terrans again. Terrans make slower 3rd CCs to be safe against roachbane -> they lose their edge in the midgame and get slaughtered by ultras. Your post is one huge assumption.
Well everybody is assuming something here. If the terrans play more save than roach bane allins wont work and if that happens zergs will stop doing it and then terrans will play more greedy. If you play greedy you have to take a risk. If you play save you give up the advantages you would had if you would have played more greedy.
And if the terrans get away with 3 ccs into tech into 2 ebays the zergs will be in a disadvantage and then they ll get roflstomped.
And then again you dont have to delay your 3rd cc the only thing you have to delay is your upgrades.
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Can someone explain why they don't just remove the biological aspect from the HellBat? I think that would help alot for the drops and these marauder hellbat pushes since, ya know, the transformer is biological.
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On July 09 2013 04:22 Fleuria wrote:
Oh well cya Innovation.
Not like he managed to get deep in the GSL at the end of WoL, right?
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Finally!!!!!!!! About time 
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Rofl. This is the wrong win rate data. The PvT winrate from that spreadsheet is 50.7% for Protoss. The graphs you posted before that said Protoss had 52.3 percent internationally.
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On July 09 2013 04:22 Fleuria wrote:
Oh well cya Innovation.
He was good in WoL if I remember correctly...
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