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On July 09 2013 04:05 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +I meant June. And aligulac is quite horrid and not accepted by anyone. TLPD is much more accurate. TLPD current top five: Sen Stephano Socke M00nGLade Nerchio Aligulac current top five: INoVation Life MVP Polt Hyun Anyone who "accepts" that TLPD is somehow more accurate is probably on meth. Does anyone on earth really believe that if the TLPD top 5 played the Aligulac top 5 that they wouldn't be utterly stomped? Because if so, I've got this awesome bridge for sale.
Oh come on. You took the foreigner one.
I think the best representation is probably the Power Rank, followed by the latest GSL result. Mathematical systems just don't cut it.
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On July 09 2013 04:02 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:00 Rhaegal wrote:On July 09 2013 03:54 Wingblade wrote:On July 09 2013 03:45 Rhaegal wrote:
Terran had lowest winrate in May, and despite what they say, this is a nerf to every matchup, and banshees were shit vs P and Z for reasons other than the cloak cost.
This will just make TvT an early game cluster fuck, and have minimal effect vs P or Z.
Now Hellbats will be a hassle just to make vs early chargelot compositions, if you don't get the upgrade they are worthless. So what's our option? A banshee that can be nullified by nexus cannon? Awesome! good job blizzard, yet again. You guys buffed Queens when the matchup was 50/50, now you nerf Terran when they are performing the worst of all races. Keep up the good work guys! My meme got deleted, but the idea is the same. Terran had the HIGHEST winrate in May. Not sure what you are looking at. http://aligulac.com/reports/ I meant June. And aligulac is quite horrid and not accepted by anyone. TLPD is much more accurate. Where are TLPD's statistics then? I haven't seen them. And on what basis is Aligulac horrid and not accepted? Because it doesn't support your viewpoint?
because it records EVERYTHING. Even team leagues and small qualifiers against diamond/master players.
Look at this guy: http://aligulac.com/players/4388-JonSnow/
he is literally a nobody. but his 0-4 "showmatch" vs qxc was recorded, and his 0-2 loss to shuttle in a zotac cup..
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I'm going to laugh if, when all things settle down, the hellbat's stats will be a lot closer to the hellion's than they are right now. Future generations will wonder why Blizzard made all these special rules for the hellbat in the first place.
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I just didn't expect that much bias, I thought TL was way better than that.
It really, really isn't--and TL is at its absolute worst in patch threads.
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On July 09 2013 04:04 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:01 b0ub0u wrote:
lol @ people saying Hellbats were not an issue in TvZ. Maybe at high level but not everyone play pro. I am only diamond but I find it very difficult to deal with burst and splash damage from Hellbats or even Widow Mines.
They come very early and if we are not on top of things we loose workers and mining time.
Terrans were given 2 units that come very early and can completely change an engagement if we are not careful. Not much different from terran getting his army stormed or fungaled without babysitting. All races have its moments of unforgivingness. Game is always balanced around high level of play. Blizzard sometimes helps us lower league players but in most cases if you see fungal you need to react in time to dodge it. If you see a widow mine - same thing.
Yeah maybe you are right.
But still I feel that the terran`s options are way sooner in the game.
I was just so used to have lings/banes and mutas into ultras and it worked beautifully in WOL. Now I have to be SUPER careful until at least ultras with that combination because one mis-steps and I loose like half my lings.
Not whining just sharing my opinion! But I like this Hellbat change!
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On July 09 2013 04:05 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +I meant June. And aligulac is quite horrid and not accepted by anyone. TLPD is much more accurate. TLPD current top five: Sen Stephano Socke M00nGLade Nerchio Aligulac current top five: INoVation Life MVP Polt Hyun Anyone who "accepts" that TLPD is somehow more accurate is probably on meth. Does anyone on earth really believe that if the TLPD top 5 played the Aligulac top 5 that they wouldn't be utterly stomped? Because if so, I've got this awesome bridge for sale.
I believe those are TLPD top five foreigners in wol.
Aligulac may still be more accurate though, but that wouldn't be determined by using what you pulled up.
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On July 09 2013 04:05 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +I meant June. And aligulac is quite horrid and not accepted by anyone. TLPD is much more accurate. TLPD current top five: Sen Stephano Socke M00nGLade Nerchio Aligulac current top five: INoVation Life MVP Polt Hyun Anyone who "accepts" that TLPD is somehow more accurate is probably on meth. Does anyone on earth really believe that if the TLPD top 5 played the Aligulac top 5 that they wouldn't be utterly stomped? Because if so, I've got this awesome bridge for sale.
I'm not talking about ELO, I'm talking about winrates. Aligulac records worthless games that tlpd does not.
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On July 09 2013 04:08 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:05 awesomoecalypse wrote:I meant June. And aligulac is quite horrid and not accepted by anyone. TLPD is much more accurate. TLPD current top five: Sen Stephano Socke M00nGLade Nerchio Aligulac current top five: INoVation Life MVP Polt Hyun Anyone who "accepts" that TLPD is somehow more accurate is probably on meth. Does anyone on earth really believe that if the TLPD top 5 played the Aligulac top 5 that they wouldn't be utterly stomped? Because if so, I've got this awesome bridge for sale. Oh come on. You took the foreigner one. I think the best representation is probably the Power Rank, followed by the latest GSL result. Mathematical systems just don't cut it.
It's actually their global one. if their system can't account for the fact that foreigners are vastly worse than koreans, then that's a major flaw in the system and the entire thing has to be considered suspect.
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i dont think i ever saw so little whining in a balance patch thread
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On July 09 2013 04:08 Aunvilgod wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:05 awesomoecalypse wrote:I meant June. And aligulac is quite horrid and not accepted by anyone. TLPD is much more accurate. TLPD current top five: Sen Stephano Socke M00nGLade Nerchio Aligulac current top five: INoVation Life MVP Polt Hyun Anyone who "accepts" that TLPD is somehow more accurate is probably on meth. Does anyone on earth really believe that if the TLPD top 5 played the Aligulac top 5 that they wouldn't be utterly stomped? Because if so, I've got this awesome bridge for sale. Oh come on. You took the foreigner one. I think the best representation is probably the Power Rank, followed by the latest GSL result. Mathematical systems just don't cut it.
Great. A. That's not TLPD work. B. The Power Rank and GSL results don't have winrates, and further more, Terran is quite consistenly in the top of both of them. So you're not making any real argument here that doesn't already support what I've been saying all along. I have yet to see these TLPD winrates that were mentioned that casts Terran as having the lowest winrate.
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On July 09 2013 03:38 jkim91 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:35 SpeedyBozar wrote:
It is total bullshit. I have just watched Fantasy vs. Snute today - Fantasy went for a banshee and a viking. Killed 7 overlords with the viking and because Snute didn't go for mutas, he never ever moved out from his base coz he had no anti-air. Zerg has two anti-air somehow decent units. Mutas are so fragile vs. Terran and hydras are just crap unless you go roach hydra which is not cost effective in late game.
I am not saying it is a big change. But any buff to air units while Zerg doesn't get any buff to his anti-air is fucking stupid. In the last three months I have seen hundreds of ZvT's and definately more than 70% of Zerg's wins was caused by some kind of all in. Queens?
Sure dude. I am gonna use queens as my ZvT anti-air so I can move out of my base. :D
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I would like to thank Bomber and Maru for playing their part in this improvement of the game
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On July 09 2013 04:09 Rhaegal wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:02 Wingblade wrote:On July 09 2013 04:00 Rhaegal wrote:On July 09 2013 03:54 Wingblade wrote:On July 09 2013 03:45 Rhaegal wrote:
Terran had lowest winrate in May, and despite what they say, this is a nerf to every matchup, and banshees were shit vs P and Z for reasons other than the cloak cost.
This will just make TvT an early game cluster fuck, and have minimal effect vs P or Z.
Now Hellbats will be a hassle just to make vs early chargelot compositions, if you don't get the upgrade they are worthless. So what's our option? A banshee that can be nullified by nexus cannon? Awesome! good job blizzard, yet again. You guys buffed Queens when the matchup was 50/50, now you nerf Terran when they are performing the worst of all races. Keep up the good work guys! My meme got deleted, but the idea is the same. Terran had the HIGHEST winrate in May. Not sure what you are looking at. http://aligulac.com/reports/ I meant June. And aligulac is quite horrid and not accepted by anyone. TLPD is much more accurate. Where are TLPD's statistics then? I haven't seen them. And on what basis is Aligulac horrid and not accepted? Because it doesn't support your viewpoint? because it records EVERYTHING. Even team leagues and small qualifiers against diamond/master players. Look at this guy: http://aligulac.com/players/4388-JonSnow/he is literally a nobody. but his 0-4 "showmatch" vs qxc was recorded, and his 0-2 loss to shuttle in a zotac cup..
Great. So I ask you again, where are TLPD's winrates?
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As if terrans needed hellbatdrops to win... srsly the nerf was more than needed.
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A lot of the zerg wins are due to the roach bane allins, terrans will easily adapt to this and then in 2-3 months it would (will) be 58% for the terrans again.
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On July 09 2013 04:12 Wingblade wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:09 Rhaegal wrote:On July 09 2013 04:02 Wingblade wrote:On July 09 2013 04:00 Rhaegal wrote:On July 09 2013 03:54 Wingblade wrote:On July 09 2013 03:45 Rhaegal wrote:
Terran had lowest winrate in May, and despite what they say, this is a nerf to every matchup, and banshees were shit vs P and Z for reasons other than the cloak cost.
This will just make TvT an early game cluster fuck, and have minimal effect vs P or Z.
Now Hellbats will be a hassle just to make vs early chargelot compositions, if you don't get the upgrade they are worthless. So what's our option? A banshee that can be nullified by nexus cannon? Awesome! good job blizzard, yet again. You guys buffed Queens when the matchup was 50/50, now you nerf Terran when they are performing the worst of all races. Keep up the good work guys! My meme got deleted, but the idea is the same. Terran had the HIGHEST winrate in May. Not sure what you are looking at. http://aligulac.com/reports/ I meant June. And aligulac is quite horrid and not accepted by anyone. TLPD is much more accurate. Where are TLPD's statistics then? I haven't seen them. And on what basis is Aligulac horrid and not accepted? Because it doesn't support your viewpoint? because it records EVERYTHING. Even team leagues and small qualifiers against diamond/master players. Look at this guy: http://aligulac.com/players/4388-JonSnow/he is literally a nobody. but his 0-4 "showmatch" vs qxc was recorded, and his 0-2 loss to shuttle in a zotac cup.. Great. So I ask you again, where are TLPD's winrates?
The important point is that he invalided your evidence. By doing that, he is correct by proxy. Thats how arguments on TL work when it comes to terran balance. They are always losing, just like the speed of light is constant.
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On July 09 2013 04:05 Qwerty85 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:03 Zoku wrote:On July 09 2013 03:55 Aunvilgod wrote:On July 09 2013 03:22 KawaiiRice wrote:
jesus christ not cloakshees........ would rather play vs hellbats I think I speak for all people who are not high masters when I ask you to elaborate. Most likely a preference thing for Kawaiirice, but the idea is, in the same way that the hellbat made TvT kinda stupid, the banshee buff will do the same thing. Banshees require much more micro, they get shut down easier, are heavier investment and don't deal such a huge damage in seconds.
The increase in micro doesn't change anything for higher level play. While the response to shut them down is easy, it's also costly, which hurts now that they really aren't a heavy investment anymore. Yes, they may not do huge damage in seconds, but they're going to make TvT very unpleasant imo.
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pretty big hit to terran.
I guess this will diminish EU/NA terrans even more.
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On July 09 2013 04:10 awesomoecalypse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 04:08 Aunvilgod wrote:On July 09 2013 04:05 awesomoecalypse wrote:I meant June. And aligulac is quite horrid and not accepted by anyone. TLPD is much more accurate. TLPD current top five: Sen Stephano Socke M00nGLade Nerchio Aligulac current top five: INoVation Life MVP Polt Hyun Anyone who "accepts" that TLPD is somehow more accurate is probably on meth. Does anyone on earth really believe that if the TLPD top 5 played the Aligulac top 5 that they wouldn't be utterly stomped? Because if so, I've got this awesome bridge for sale. Oh come on. You took the foreigner one. I think the best representation is probably the Power Rank, followed by the latest GSL result. Mathematical systems just don't cut it. It's actually their global one. if their system can't account for the fact that foreigners are vastly worse than koreans, then that's a major flaw in the system and the entire thing has to be considered suspect.
The actual global WoL TLPD
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