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Balance patch this week - Hellbats nerfed, Banshees buffed…

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Rhaegal
Profile Blog Joined July 2013
United States678 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 19:00:55
July 08 2013 18:45 GMT
#121
Terran had lowest winrate in June, and despite what they say, this is a nerf to every matchup, and banshees were shit vs P and Z for reasons other than the cloak cost.


This will just make TvT an early game cluster fuck, and have minimal effect vs P or Z.

Now Hellbats will be a hassle just to make vs early chargelot compositions, if you don't get the upgrade they are worthless. So what's our option? A banshee that can be nullified by nexus cannon? Awesome! good job blizzard, yet again. You guys buffed Queens when the matchup was 50/50, now you nerf Terran when they are performing the worst of all races. Keep up the good work guys!
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hangene92
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada258 Posts
July 08 2013 18:45 GMT
#122
I am a terran player and I approve this change!
"You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one"
HeyImFinn
Profile Joined September 2011
United States250 Posts
July 08 2013 18:46 GMT
#123
On July 09 2013 02:33 Entirety wrote:
Blizzard just nerfed INnoVation!


*Flash
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)STYLE START SBENU( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
July 08 2013 18:47 GMT
#124
I'm not sure about this. I feel like PvT might go back to the guessing game it was in beta - if terran takes a gas, they can do absolutely everything and if you guess wrong you die. But hey, we'll see how it plays out, I may be dead wrong. Definitely liking the hellbat change though, I hope it makes TvT a bit more stable.
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Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12071 Posts
July 08 2013 18:48 GMT
#125
I don't mind this change but the thing I hate is they say "other harass is more exciting"

Oh great, so now we're balancing the game around what's exciting and not what's interesting. I'm not saying Hellbat drops were interesting, but this really does put the nail in the coffin for any form of badly needed tank buff because they think they're boring.

I'm losing faith in this game slowly but surely. I really wish mech were more viable
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 08 2013 18:49 GMT
#126
On July 09 2013 03:45 Rhaegal wrote:
Terran had lowest winrate in May, and despite what they say, this is a nerf to every matchup, and banshees were shit vs P and Z for reasons other than the cloak cost.


This will just make TvT an early game cluster fuck, and have minimal effect vs P or Z.

Now Hellbats will be a hassle just to make vs early chargelot compositions, if you don't get the upgrade they are worthless. So what's our option? A banshee that can be nullified by nexus cannon? Awesome! good job blizzard, yet again. You guys buffed Queens when the matchup was 50/50, now you nerf Terran when they are performing the worst of all races. Keep up the good work guys!

Let the Terran whine BEGIN!
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18876 Posts
July 08 2013 18:50 GMT
#127
On July 09 2013 03:48 Qikz wrote:
I don't mind this change but the thing I hate is they say "other harass is more exciting"

Oh great, so now we're balancing the game around what's exciting and not what's interesting. I'm not saying Hellbat drops were interesting, but this really does put the nail in the coffin for any form of badly needed tank buff because they think they're boring.

I'm losing faith in this game slowly but surely. I really wish mech were more viable

I think this banshee buff adds quite a bit to mech builds that include heavy starport use imo.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 18:52:08
July 08 2013 18:50 GMT
#128



User was warned for this post
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
midnight999
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States257 Posts
July 08 2013 18:50 GMT
#129
On July 09 2013 03:45 Rhaegal wrote:
Terran had lowest winrate in May, and despite what they say, this is a nerf to every matchup, and banshees were shit vs P and Z for reasons other than the cloak cost.


This will just make TvT an early game cluster fuck, and have minimal effect vs P or Z.

Now Hellbats will be a hassle just to make vs early chargelot compositions, if you don't get the upgrade they are worthless. So what's our option? A banshee that can be nullified by nexus cannon? Awesome! good job blizzard, yet again. You guys buffed Queens when the matchup was 50/50, now you nerf Terran when they are performing the worst of all races. Keep up the good work guys!


whine whine whine...
Jampackedeon
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2053 Posts
July 08 2013 18:50 GMT
#130
I entirely disagree with how much effect hellbats had on other races, especially when you could just drop them forever and one or two lucky swipes against some subpar micro would net you an entire worker line lost...

Anyways, love both these changes! Agree that it makes banshees more interesting and would be happy to play against htem more often as a zerg.
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
July 08 2013 18:51 GMT
#131
On July 09 2013 03:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm not sure about this. I feel like PvT might go back to the guessing game it was in beta - if terran takes a gas, they can do absolutely everything and if you guess wrong you die. But hey, we'll see how it plays out, I may be dead wrong. Definitely liking the hellbat change though, I hope it makes TvT a bit more stable.


I guess Protoss will need to go early Robo v Terran again, or use hallucination more often to scout for proxies
Sokrates
Profile Joined May 2012
738 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 18:53:03
July 08 2013 18:52 GMT
#132
All in all this patch makes sense, but i dont think the bansheebuff was neccessary.

I still think that terran will be far be the strongest race 3-4 months from now on.
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12071 Posts
July 08 2013 18:52 GMT
#133
On July 09 2013 03:51 Topdoller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 03:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm not sure about this. I feel like PvT might go back to the guessing game it was in beta - if terran takes a gas, they can do absolutely everything and if you guess wrong you die. But hey, we'll see how it plays out, I may be dead wrong. Definitely liking the hellbat change though, I hope it makes TvT a bit more stable.


I guess Protoss will need to go early Robo v Terran again, or use hallucination more often to scout for proxies


Stargate can also detect so any tech opening beats it :p
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Zoku
Profile Joined November 2010
307 Posts
July 08 2013 18:52 GMT
#134
David Kim: "We have heard your cries, the era of hellbat vs hellbat is over!!!"
*cheers*
David Kim: "Now let the era of banshee vs banshee begin!!!"
-_-
DK why?
b3n3tt3
Profile Joined January 2012
595 Posts
July 08 2013 18:52 GMT
#135
Now that hellbats are nerfed I expect zerg to dominate the scene.
Qwerty85
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia5536 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 18:54:22
July 08 2013 18:53 GMT
#136
I am fine with the hellbat change but I am not sure how the reduced cost will make banshees any better. The timing is basically the same (maybe a difference of 10s at best since you could start the cloack as soon as starport was finished) and both protoss and zerg have solid detection and means of defending the banshee. I feel like the most important thing for units like banshees or oracles or DTs is how fast they can hit the opponent...
awakenx
Profile Joined May 2011
United States341 Posts
July 08 2013 18:53 GMT
#137
I fear that banshee openers will become the norm in TvT, with cloakshees every damn game It's going to be pretty annoying still, although it might encourage more marine/tank.
WorstMicroNA
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
July 08 2013 18:54 GMT
#138
On July 09 2013 03:52 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 03:51 Topdoller wrote:
On July 09 2013 03:47 DarkLordOlli wrote:
I'm not sure about this. I feel like PvT might go back to the guessing game it was in beta - if terran takes a gas, they can do absolutely everything and if you guess wrong you die. But hey, we'll see how it plays out, I may be dead wrong. Definitely liking the hellbat change though, I hope it makes TvT a bit more stable.


I guess Protoss will need to go early Robo v Terran again, or use hallucination more often to scout for proxies


Stargate can also detect so any tech opening beats it :p



yeah i forgot about the Oracle, my bad
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
July 08 2013 18:54 GMT
#139
On July 09 2013 02:51 larse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:48 Aunvilgod wrote:
On July 09 2013 02:47 larse wrote:
It's a great change for TvT and TvZ

But for TvP, the requirement of a tech-lab for researching blue flame for 110 seconds may remove the only new change to Terran TvP composition (MMMVG) which has been the same and only composition since 2010.


Thank god. MMMVG is awesome.


I didn't mean mech. I just think that Terran TvP composition should has some variations and diversities, like any other matchups.


Desperately push mech to be viable is the worst thing Blizzard could possibly do. Let it develope.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
Wingblade
Profile Joined April 2012
United States1806 Posts
July 08 2013 18:54 GMT
#140
On July 09 2013 03:45 Rhaegal wrote:
Terran had lowest winrate in May, and despite what they say, this is a nerf to every matchup, and banshees were shit vs P and Z for reasons other than the cloak cost.


This will just make TvT an early game cluster fuck, and have minimal effect vs P or Z.

Now Hellbats will be a hassle just to make vs early chargelot compositions, if you don't get the upgrade they are worthless. So what's our option? A banshee that can be nullified by nexus cannon? Awesome! good job blizzard, yet again. You guys buffed Queens when the matchup was 50/50, now you nerf Terran when they are performing the worst of all races. Keep up the good work guys!


My meme got deleted, but the idea is the same. Terran had the HIGHEST winrate in May. Not sure what you are looking at.

http://aligulac.com/reports/
PartinG fanboy to the max, Rain/Squirtle/Dear/Scarlett/Bbyong are cool too. I don't always watch Dota2 but when I do I have no clue what's going on. GOGO POWER RANGERS
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