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Balance patch this week - Hellbats nerfed, Banshees buffed…

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Missing-No
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada50 Posts
July 08 2013 18:24 GMT
#81
I wonder if this will make hellion-banshee openers still viable versus zergs? 100-100 less investment into cloack can mean more infrastructure and upgrades, no?
boxerfred
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
Germany8360 Posts
July 08 2013 18:25 GMT
#82
banshee 100/100 no good buff.
-Kyo-
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Japan1926 Posts
July 08 2013 18:26 GMT
#83
Maybe helpful for TvT, though I just think it will go back to banshee instead of HB; much more stable for sure... Though, I don't see how this will address the other problems too much. It's not hellbats on their own that are the trouble, but the fact that when you combine a unit with insane light DPS + a speedy medivac problems start to arise with defense having to be superb so that you do not outright lose. Simply put: It's much easier for the attacker.

I still maintain that medivacs are the issue here, and I don't think it would take much to fix the issue(ex. boosting costing energy, a very cheap upgrade so that it delays speed medivac pushes for 1 minute [11/12min speed instead of 10]). Regardless of what is in them, marines, Marauders, or whatever, if you can't kill it the efficiency of the unit is much too high for good multitaskers. That is skill on one end, but certainly one sided if the defender does not have an equal way to shut it down. I could honestly care less about the HB damage. I just want to be able to effectively shut down drops without there being a random chance I just miss a singular drop and lose half my worker line to whatever the units are.

TL;DR: I wish they'd address unit combinations with the medivac, and any other race unit combinations that seem off, instead of a one-dimensional approach to a singular unit as if it's the biggest problem in the game (I.E: VR/HB/SW etc)
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
July 08 2013 18:26 GMT
#84
That banshee buff seems huge to me, gonna be interesting to see how it affects early game detection timings.
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Bahajinbo
Profile Joined May 2012
Germany488 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 18:26:43
July 08 2013 18:26 GMT
#85
Good patch, I think. There will be some sick banshee timings, I should prepare for that. But hellbat drops are just stupid at the moment, so I like it.
MrMotionPicture
Profile Joined May 2010
United States4327 Posts
July 08 2013 18:26 GMT
#86
So since I usually use Banshee, everyone will now be expecting that. So I will go blueflame-Hellbat drops now.
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frontline-
Profile Joined March 2012
Bulgaria281 Posts
July 08 2013 18:27 GMT
#87
I'm still split on the Hellbat nerf. I feel like it destroys the only viable harass option for them in the early game, but in a way maybe it is a bit too powerful.

Banshee's needed a buff, but Zerg's are still retardedly safe against them. Why on Earth did they give the Zerg the opportunity to build spores without evo chambers? Does terran build turrets without ebay or does protoss spam cannons with no forge? How is that even remotely fair? Add to that huge difference maker that a Zerg will always have at least 2Queens to defend a banshee.

That's ridiculous.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 18:28:26
July 08 2013 18:27 GMT
#88
On July 09 2013 03:26 farvacola wrote:
That banshee buff seems huge to me, gonna be interesting to see how it affects early game detection timings.

Zergs already have spore crawlers
Protoss can detetc with Stargate too, and they can support photon cannons with more damage from Nexus (or just recall Stalkers), so no problems here.
Usernameffs
Profile Joined February 2013
Sweden107 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 18:30:51
July 08 2013 18:27 GMT
#89
I know but the marines can take them out, banshee marines was really good for taking out the third hatch and now its gonna be better so i don't know.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
July 08 2013 18:28 GMT
#90
On July 09 2013 03:18 MockHamill wrote:
These changes are great but they need to lower the cost of the Infernal Pre-Igniter upgrade somewhat. The important thing is nerfing hellbat drops in early midgame, but this change nerfes mech too much.

Do the changes but lower the resource cost of the Infernal Pre-Igniter upgrade. Mech is already weak in TvZ and TvP, plese do not make it even weaker if you can lower the impact by reducing the cost of the Pre-Igniter upgrade.

This is sort of proof mech does not even come in to their thinking.
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Cereb
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark3388 Posts
July 08 2013 18:28 GMT
#91
On second thought, while I love the nerf on the hellbat, I think I would have preferred a slight buff to the tank over the banshee.
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Henk
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands578 Posts
July 08 2013 18:30 GMT
#92
On July 09 2013 03:15 Usernameffs wrote:
If they buff cloak how do you stop banshee marine push when you don't have an overseer. Cloak is gonna be done before lair.


It's only 100 gas - build time is still the same. Just get a spore at the front if you still have problems dealing with it.
Topdoller
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3860 Posts
July 08 2013 18:30 GMT
#93
Anyone have the timings on this banshee change? Cloak should start to be researched sooner seeing as it 100\100 less.

Whats the timings on a 2 port banshee with cloak rush now?
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
July 08 2013 18:30 GMT
#94
Banshee cloak change seems strange to me so we'll see how it plays out. Can't imagine many people being mad about the hellbat change though.
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farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18846 Posts
July 08 2013 18:31 GMT
#95
On July 09 2013 03:27 Existor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 03:26 farvacola wrote:
That banshee buff seems huge to me, gonna be interesting to see how it affects early game detection timings.

Zergs already have spore crawlers
Protoss can detetc with Stargate too, and they can support photon cannons with more damage from Nexus (or just recall Stalkers), so no problems here.

Yes, I'm well aware that each race has things that detect, the question is in regards to how much earlier cloaked banshees may be arriving relative to other infrastructure decisions now that the cost is so much less.
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Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 08 2013 18:31 GMT
#96
On July 09 2013 03:27 Usernameffs wrote:
I know but the marines can take them out, banshee marines was really good for taking out the third hatch and now its gonna be better so i don't know.

You got to scout that level of non-sense coming. Banshee harass is one thing, but a full blown push with marines is another.
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iMrising
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1099 Posts
July 08 2013 18:31 GMT
#97
oh no oh no oh no
banshee week incoming
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VmY
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands1286 Posts
July 08 2013 18:32 GMT
#98
For anyone wondering, I just tried to go for a 1 gas cloak banshee (11 gas/13rax) and when the banshee starts I'm still somewhere between 50 and 70 gas short for 100/100 cloak.
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Jerubaal
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States7684 Posts
July 08 2013 18:32 GMT
#99
#FirstTerranProblems
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midnight999
Profile Blog Joined December 2012
United States257 Posts
July 08 2013 18:32 GMT
#100
I like the Hellbat change. Good job, Blizzard.

I'm not sure about banshee buff though. I have to try that out myself.
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