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faulty
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada204 Posts
July 08 2013 18:04 GMT
#41
100/100 seems a bit much. I would have rather see 150/150 or something.
"More gg, more skill" - White-Ra
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3397 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 18:06:22
July 08 2013 18:04 GMT
#42
Sadly it was expected.
Chances are this will kill mech play and foreign terran resurgence.

The banshee change is pointless.
Less hellbats will automatically mean more banshees in TvT but that's about it.
Won't stop Blizzard from taking credit for bringing them back with this buff.
Saumure
Profile Joined February 2012
France404 Posts
July 08 2013 18:06 GMT
#43
Nice changes, there will be one thing more I will have to look out for as a zerg.
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
July 08 2013 18:06 GMT
#44
On July 09 2013 03:04 -HuShang- wrote:
Just for clarifaction, the animation will change to blue after pre-igniter upgrade?

Of course. Just check balance test map
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
July 08 2013 18:07 GMT
#45
Your move Innovation.
SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 18:10:35
July 08 2013 18:09 GMT
#46
On July 09 2013 02:34 purakushi wrote:
My question is if hellbats are going to shoot blue flames after the upgrade.


yes you can watch it in action on the test map.
its beatiful.
ElhayM
Profile Joined February 2013
Canada134 Posts
July 08 2013 18:10 GMT
#47
Perfect changes. I can finally play an honorable match of TvT again.

I wish this was after my LAN coming up this weekend, no Terrans :3
Team Captain Flipsid3 Tactics | @F3ElhayM
-NegativeZero-
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2142 Posts
July 08 2013 18:10 GMT
#48
I still think hellbats do too much damage to non-light units - they are supposed to be anti-light specialists, yet they do almost a stalker's full (+bonus) DPS, plus splash, to non-light targets. Maybe switch the base/bonus damage to 12 (+6 vs light) plus the extra +12 to light with the upgrade.
vibeo gane,
QQKachoo
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States192 Posts
July 08 2013 18:10 GMT
#49
I think this could bring in some new openings. Or maybe it will cause Terran to turtle more without doing a harassment style opening. Who knows.
@QKachoo
kollin
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom8380 Posts
July 08 2013 18:11 GMT
#50
On July 09 2013 02:48 Aunvilgod wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 02:47 larse wrote:
It's a great change for TvT and TvZ

But for TvP, the requirement of a tech-lab for researching blue flame for 110 seconds may remove the only new change to Terran TvP composition (MMMVG) which has been the same and only composition since 2010.


Thank god. MMMVG is awesome.

Ehhh, not after 3 years.
Poo
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada536 Posts
July 08 2013 18:11 GMT
#51
Good change. I feel justified enough now to name my next puppy DK, after david kim ofc & not donkey kong. Kappa.


Try hard or don't try at all.
Sapphire.lux
Profile Joined July 2010
Romania2620 Posts
July 08 2013 18:11 GMT
#52
On July 09 2013 03:04 pmp10 wrote:
The banshee change is pointless.
Less hellbats will automatically mean more banshees in TvT but that's about it.
Won't stop Blizzard from taking credit for bringing them back with this buff.

The Banshee change is also meant for TvZ and TvP, not just to replace Hellbats in TvT.
Head Coach Park: "They should buff tanks!"
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
July 08 2013 18:12 GMT
#53
The change is awesome, not only will TvT consist of something else than only hellbat drops early game, it also gotten all the one trick pony Terrans to realize that they have to do something else than hellbat drops now if they want to win a game.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
July 08 2013 18:13 GMT
#54
This may make cloak banshees off 1 gas a real possibility now.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
July 08 2013 18:13 GMT
#55
i like that they realise hellbat drops are retarded, but i dont think pre igniter is the simple solution they hope it will be. the fact is even later in the game when defences are secured and whatnot, a hellbat drop still pays for itself 99% of the time. if the defender has to pull workers and run away for 20 seconds? even killing 0 units you are probably ahead from that drop. kill a few workers and that 5 second worker pull is already too much.

so this change will stop these super fast hellbat drop timings from being as strong, but later in the game hellbat drops are still going to be really really powerful and much easier to execute than defend.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
July 08 2013 18:14 GMT
#56
On July 09 2013 03:11 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 03:04 pmp10 wrote:
The banshee change is pointless.
Less hellbats will automatically mean more banshees in TvT but that's about it.
Won't stop Blizzard from taking credit for bringing them back with this buff.

The Banshee change is also meant for TvZ and TvP, not just to replace Hellbats in TvT.

I just can't see banshees having any role in a TvP where the MSC exists.

For TvZ it can be viable, and obviously good in TvT.
Liquid`Zephyr
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
United States996 Posts
July 08 2013 18:14 GMT
#57
seems like a step in the right direction
Team LiquidPoorUser
Usernameffs
Profile Joined February 2013
Sweden107 Posts
July 08 2013 18:15 GMT
#58
If they buff cloak how do you stop banshee marine push when you don't have an overseer. Cloak is gonna be done before lair.
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3397 Posts
July 08 2013 18:16 GMT
#59
On July 09 2013 03:11 Sapphire.lux wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 09 2013 03:04 pmp10 wrote:
The banshee change is pointless.
Less hellbats will automatically mean more banshees in TvT but that's about it.
Won't stop Blizzard from taking credit for bringing them back with this buff.

The Banshee change is also meant for TvZ and TvP, not just to replace Hellbats in TvT.

Then it is colossally stupid.
Widow mines will always provide more efficient cloak based harassment in TvP and TvZ.
And if mines can't do the job then banshees will be even worse.
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
July 08 2013 18:17 GMT
#60
On July 09 2013 03:15 Usernameffs wrote:
If they buff cloak how do you stop banshee marine push when you don't have an overseer. Cloak is gonna be done before lair.

Just like when they buffed DTs, the earliest possible cloaked attack isn't going to be any faster. Its just cheaper.
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