Sadly it was expected.
Chances are this will kill mech play and foreign terran resurgence.

The banshee change is pointless.
Less hellbats will automatically mean more banshees in TvT but that's about it.
Won't stop Blizzard from taking credit for bringing them back with this buff.

Saumure

France404 Posts

July 08 2013 18:06 GMT

#43

Nice changes, there will be one thing more I will have to look out for as a zerg.

Existor

Russian Federation4295 Posts

July 08 2013 18:06 GMT

#44

On July 09 2013 03:04 -HuShang- wrote:
Just for clarifaction, the animation will change to blue after pre-igniter upgrade?

Of course. Just check balance test map

Daswollvieh

5553 Posts

July 08 2013 18:07 GMT

#45

Your move Innovation.

SpikeStarcraft

Germany2095 Posts

July 08 2013 18:09 GMT

#46

On July 09 2013 02:34 purakushi wrote:
My question is if hellbats are going to shoot blue flames after the upgrade.

yes you can watch it in action on the test map.
its beatiful.

ElhayM

Canada134 Posts

July 08 2013 18:10 GMT

#47

Perfect changes. I can finally play an honorable match of TvT again.

I wish this was after my LAN coming up this weekend, no Terrans :3

-NegativeZero-

United States2142 Posts

July 08 2013 18:10 GMT

#48

I still think hellbats do too much damage to non-light units - they are supposed to be anti-light specialists, yet they do almost a stalker's full (+bonus) DPS, plus splash, to non-light targets. Maybe switch the base/bonus damage to 12 (+6 vs light) plus the extra +12 to light with the upgrade.

QQKachoo

United States192 Posts

July 08 2013 18:10 GMT

#49

I think this could bring in some new openings. Or maybe it will cause Terran to turtle more without doing a harassment style opening. Who knows.

kollin

United Kingdom8380 Posts

July 08 2013 18:11 GMT

#50

On July 09 2013 02:48 Aunvilgod wrote:

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Thank god. MMMVG is awesome.

Ehhh, not after 3 years.

Poo

Canada536 Posts

July 08 2013 18:11 GMT

#51

Good change. I feel justified enough now to name my next puppy DK, after david kim ofc & not donkey kong. Kappa.

Sapphire.lux

Romania2620 Posts

July 08 2013 18:11 GMT

#52

On July 09 2013 03:04 pmp10 wrote:
The banshee change is pointless.
Less hellbats will automatically mean more banshees in TvT but that's about it.
Won't stop Blizzard from taking credit for bringing them back with this buff.

The Banshee change is also meant for TvZ and TvP, not just to replace Hellbats in TvT.

Integra

Sweden5626 Posts

July 08 2013 18:12 GMT

#53

The change is awesome, not only will TvT consist of something else than only hellbat drops early game, it also gotten all the one trick pony Terrans to realize that they have to do something else than hellbat drops now if they want to win a game.

Clazziquai10

Singapore1949 Posts

July 08 2013 18:13 GMT

#54

This may make cloak banshees off 1 gas a real possibility now.

turdburgler

England6749 Posts

July 08 2013 18:13 GMT

#55

i like that they realise hellbat drops are retarded, but i dont think pre igniter is the simple solution they hope it will be. the fact is even later in the game when defences are secured and whatnot, a hellbat drop still pays for itself 99% of the time. if the defender has to pull workers and run away for 20 seconds? even killing 0 units you are probably ahead from that drop. kill a few workers and that 5 second worker pull is already too much.

so this change will stop these super fast hellbat drop timings from being as strong, but later in the game hellbat drops are still going to be really really powerful and much easier to execute than defend.

Bagi

Germany6799 Posts

July 08 2013 18:14 GMT

#56

On July 09 2013 03:11 Sapphire.lux wrote:

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The Banshee change is also meant for TvZ and TvP, not just to replace Hellbats in TvT.

I just can't see banshees having any role in a TvP where the MSC exists.

For TvZ it can be viable, and obviously good in TvT.

Liquid`Zephyr

United States996 Posts

July 08 2013 18:14 GMT

#57

seems like a step in the right direction

Usernameffs

Sweden107 Posts

July 08 2013 18:15 GMT

#58

If they buff cloak how do you stop banshee marine push when you don't have an overseer. Cloak is gonna be done before lair.

pmp10

3401 Posts

July 08 2013 18:16 GMT

#59

On July 09 2013 03:11 Sapphire.lux wrote:

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The Banshee change is also meant for TvZ and TvP, not just to replace Hellbats in TvT.

Then it is colossally stupid.
Widow mines will always provide more efficient cloak based harassment in TvP and TvZ.
And if mines can't do the job then banshees will be even worse.

Bagi

Germany6799 Posts

July 08 2013 18:17 GMT

#60

On July 09 2013 03:15 Usernameffs wrote:
If they buff cloak how do you stop banshee marine push when you don't have an overseer. Cloak is gonna be done before lair.

Just like when they buffed DTs, the earliest possible cloaked attack isn't going to be any faster. Its just cheaper.