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theking1
Profile Joined June 2013
Romania658 Posts
July 08 2013 11:17 GMT
#41
At the rate things are going in the na region BLizzard has 2 options.
1.Introduce some sort of high level commitment to keep low level koreans at bay such as 100% offline qualifiers like they announced in the last reddit ama.
2.Renounce the wcs na completly and put more money in the eu and kr scene.Not that many people will want to see low level koreans who do not even speak english playing in the North American qualifiers.wcs na will have the same viewership problem like last season.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
July 08 2013 11:21 GMT
#42
On July 08 2013 19:56 EnumaAvalon wrote:
I confused StarDust with Starbuck! I was wondering why StarDust was suddenly Zerg


At least you hold StarDust in a enough high esteem, that you think he could qualify for two spots in the Premier league.
MasterOfPuppets
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Romania6942 Posts
July 08 2013 12:03 GMT
#43
On July 08 2013 19:51 gobbledydook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 14:17 InsidiA wrote:
WCS EU seems pretty well set up, mainly EU players and has fresh new European players popping in through the qualis and at least StarDust lives in EU too. Wish the same could be said about WCS NA!


But the 2 qualifiers are both held by ESL, and have exactly the same format...

Since the qualifiers are exactly the same, the only difference is skill level and unfortunately Americans just aren't as good.


To be fair, the AM qualifiers featured more Koreans as well as better Koreans. And it's not fair to blame just the "Americans" either, considering the SEA, Chinese and Taiwanese players got murdered all the same.
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
July 08 2013 12:34 GMT
#44
starbuck plays like a freaking weirdo :D
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phipsL
Profile Joined November 2012
Germany189 Posts
July 08 2013 13:15 GMT
#45
these guys who qualified in america are so american ... jk

but im so happy bling qualified, gotta love that guy :D
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Zealos
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United Kingdom3576 Posts
July 08 2013 13:16 GMT
#46
On July 08 2013 14:28 Cattlecruiser wrote:
EU's wall of lag holds!
It is probably that less Koreans tried EU numerically and quality as well but there is no denying that the wall of lag is a significant factor.
Hopefully we will see a foreigner come out of the NA qualifiers, but I strongly doubt it.

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Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
July 08 2013 13:55 GMT
#47
On July 08 2013 20:21 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 19:56 EnumaAvalon wrote:
I confused StarDust with Starbuck! I was wondering why StarDust was suddenly Zerg


At least you hold StarDust in a enough high esteem, that you think he could qualify for two spots in the Premier league.


StarDust gets two spots; one for himself, and one for all the hearts he stole.
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FaCE_1
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Canada6183 Posts
July 08 2013 14:02 GMT
#48
nice to see that Korea have 2 qualification and Europe have 1
n_n
KaiserKieran
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States615 Posts
July 08 2013 14:11 GMT
#49
I'd much prefer offline qualifiers for both EU and NA. Like for NA it could be based in San Francisco an for EU it could be wherever the ro16 was. (Sorry I don't really know EU that well. It would make the respective WCS subsections much more interesting.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-08 14:17:11
July 08 2013 14:15 GMT
#50
On July 08 2013 23:11 KaiserKieran wrote:
I'd much prefer offline qualifiers for both EU and NA. Like for NA it could be based in San Francisco an for EU it could be wherever the ro16 was. (Sorry I don't really know EU that well. It would make the respective WCS subsections much more interesting.


The problem would be that you discourage a lot of up-and-coming players doing that, who might not have the financial means to attend a live event (even less if it's just a qualifier).

edit: maybe not a lot of up-and-coming players, but more like all of them, since up-and-coming implies that they are not established yet, which makes it highely likely that they are not on a wealthy team.
Plansix
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States60190 Posts
July 08 2013 14:24 GMT
#51
On July 08 2013 23:15 JustPassingBy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 23:11 KaiserKieran wrote:
I'd much prefer offline qualifiers for both EU and NA. Like for NA it could be based in San Francisco an for EU it could be wherever the ro16 was. (Sorry I don't really know EU that well. It would make the respective WCS subsections much more interesting.


The problem would be that you discourage a lot of up-and-coming players doing that, who might not have the financial means to attend a live event (even less if it's just a qualifier).

edit: maybe not a lot of up-and-coming players, but more like all of them, since up-and-coming implies that they are not established yet, which makes it highely likely that they are not on a wealthy team.

Well the wall of Kespa pros in WCS NA is pretty discouraging right now. I don't think a since player from NA, SEA, or China will make it through. Even having challenger league offline would do a lot to make the whole thing more local and improve the local competitive scene.
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Profile Joined July 2010
United States1716 Posts
July 08 2013 14:32 GMT
#52
These were the most disappointing results for me personally. A lot of people I wanted to see qualify lost when soo close ><!
I still have hope though!

Congratz to these players for beating my favorites.
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HandA711
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
202 Posts
July 08 2013 14:54 GMT
#53
is Hyun living in Europe?
hakuna matata
jackslater
Profile Joined November 2012
Russian Federation604 Posts
July 08 2013 17:32 GMT
#54
good news
GanerSixteen
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3 Posts
July 08 2013 18:04 GMT
#55
Can we petition Blizzard to change the name of WCS NA to WCS Korea B league? It would just make everything so much easier.. And to be fair thats what it has become..
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testthewest
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany274 Posts
July 08 2013 18:10 GMT
#56
On July 08 2013 17:00 Cattlecruiser wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 08 2013 16:31 NarutO wrote:
On July 08 2013 14:28 Cattlecruiser wrote:
EU's wall of lag holds!
It is probably that less Koreans tried EU numerically and quality as well but there is no denying that the wall of lag is a significant factor.
Hopefully we will see a foreigner come out of the NA qualifiers, but I strongly doubt it.


Wow you are bitter. While its not the best of the best or worse Koreans than the ones participating in NA , check out who they lost to. Its not like CPU, Chatorsws, Avekatten, Melle or Dizdemon are flagships of the European server.

Bitter? I'm more than positive about Koreans winning spots in WCS NA.
Also, you made my point. They lost to players that they should take easily in offline events.



Yes bitter, because you feel the need to point out obvious things. We all know about the lagg - so why are you posting?

The reason: You are bitter. You feel the need to start a forum fight by belittling european players, instead of just saying: "Well done, winners!" (no matter what origin they might be)
War is not about who is right, but who is left.
Greendotz
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2053 Posts
July 08 2013 18:42 GMT
#57
I’m so glad Bling made it. It was a bit of a kick in the teeth in season 1 after he tried so hard to qualify only to get knocked out of challenger league straight away by the all-protoss-meat-grinder that was group D. Glad to see he’s through once again (and had to beat San to get there) and ready to claim Premier league :D

On July 08 2013 23:11 KaiserKieran wrote:
I'd much prefer offline qualifiers for both EU and NA. Like for NA it could be based in San Francisco an for EU it could be wherever the ro16 was. (Sorry I don't really know EU that well. It would make the respective WCS subsections much more interesting.


With regards to EU, you'd ask around 300-400 players from from some 20+ countries (from Iceland to South Africa) to travel all the way to Germany out of their own pocket to play a single elimination qualifier where only the top two proceed?

I'd also like the bus to pick me up outside my house and drop me off outside work. You're never going to get an offline qualifier with over 500 wannabes. It's a logistical nightmare and will be a complete money sink for both players and the host organisation.

On July 08 2013 14:17 InsidiA wrote:
WCS EU seems pretty well set up, mainly EU players and has fresh new European players popping in through the qualis and at least StarDust lives in EU too. Wish the same could be said about WCS NA!


Agreed, players like Uzer and Bunny have gone from complete unknowns to players recognised and acknologed for the skill and achievements in the Premier league. As for America, well this is basically now Code A on location, it’s pretty damn silly. I’m almost certain WCS will have at least some form of reigion lock in 2014 (residency/temporary visa only perhaps, so players like DeMuslim, Polt, StarDust and Pro7ect could still compete in NA and EU).
jake1138
Profile Joined September 2011
United States82 Posts
July 09 2013 02:24 GMT
#58
Are the VODs available somewhere?
govie
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
9334 Posts
July 09 2013 12:43 GMT
#59
I have reserved the next two WCS EU spots for Narut0 and thedwf. sorry guys
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NovemberstOrm
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Canada16217 Posts
July 09 2013 12:50 GMT
#60
On July 08 2013 23:54 HandA711 wrote:
is Hyun living in Europe?

I think you mean America, and No I do not think he is living there as far as I know.
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