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On June 10 2013 07:26 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Lol, that's a stupid way to look at it. Everyone has priorities in life which will cause them not to play. But your personal life doesn't have anything to do with the game as a whole. There SHOULD be an inactive clan policy. It's smart. It isn't anyone's fault you can't take 3 minutes out of you day to log in and log back out. If they want their tag to be LaG instead of any other tag, and the ones using it have been gone, then why should they deserve to keep it? What if they never come back?
Okay that brings up another point against the clan inactivity system. If I were the guy who owned the LaG tag, and let's say I'm also mean and terrible, I would make a point to log into starcraft every month or so just so the tag didn't go inactive. You're right it doesn't take but 3 minutes.
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I was amused after reading "old" and "WC3" in one sentence, afterwards you made me laugh when you said you dont want to seem too slow to grab your nametag.
Sorry mate, i know it sucks, but i guess the current owner has the right to hold the clantag, he made a clan with it before you did.
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On June 10 2013 07:30 FunkyLich wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 07:26 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Lol, that's a stupid way to look at it. Everyone has priorities in life which will cause them not to play. But your personal life doesn't have anything to do with the game as a whole. There SHOULD be an inactive clan policy. It's smart. It isn't anyone's fault you can't take 3 minutes out of you day to log in and log back out. If they want their tag to be LaG instead of any other tag, and the ones using it have been gone, then why should they deserve to keep it? What if they never come back? Okay that brings up another point against the clan inactivity system. If I were the guy who owned the LaG tag, and let's say I'm also mean and terrible, I would make a point to log into starcraft every month or so just so the tag didn't go inactive. You're right it doesn't take but 3 minutes.
Hmm, that's a good point you bring up. I guess if LaG couldn't reach an agreement with the guy, they'd have no choice but to accept a different tag (you can't force them to surrender the tag). Maybe blizz should just allow people to have the same tag. Although, that could be hectic when using the current find group function... o_O
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i really agree, a hard-working clan is trying to get known in Starcraft 2 and some other clan who is inactive is taking that chance away from them.
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On June 10 2013 07:34 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 07:30 FunkyLich wrote:On June 10 2013 07:26 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Lol, that's a stupid way to look at it. Everyone has priorities in life which will cause them not to play. But your personal life doesn't have anything to do with the game as a whole. There SHOULD be an inactive clan policy. It's smart. It isn't anyone's fault you can't take 3 minutes out of you day to log in and log back out. If they want their tag to be LaG instead of any other tag, and the ones using it have been gone, then why should they deserve to keep it? What if they never come back? Okay that brings up another point against the clan inactivity system. If I were the guy who owned the LaG tag, and let's say I'm also mean and terrible, I would make a point to log into starcraft every month or so just so the tag didn't go inactive. You're right it doesn't take but 3 minutes. Hmm, that's a good point you bring up. I guess if LaG couldn't reach an agreement with the guy, they'd have no choice but to accept a different tag (you can't force them to surrender the tag). Maybe blizz should just allow people to have the same tag. Although, that could be hectic when using the current find group function... o_O
Maybe you could have a system similar to Twitter, where user accounts for celebrities and other notable people have a small icon that signifies that they are indeed Day[9] or Jennifer Love Hewitt or whatever, and not some imposter masquerading as them. If your organization is sufficiently renowned, you could apply for the clan tag you wanted and you'd receive it along with an identifier of some sort, to confirm that your players are truly a part of that clan or team. There would be some logistics to work out, like "how well-known is well-known?", and the possibility of everyone and their mother claiming to be notable and deserving of clan tag X, but I think it could solve this issue fairly well. Both parties get to keep the LaG tag, and the pro team can be easily identified.
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On June 10 2013 07:57 Archas wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 07:34 Shin_Gouki wrote:On June 10 2013 07:30 FunkyLich wrote:On June 10 2013 07:26 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Lol, that's a stupid way to look at it. Everyone has priorities in life which will cause them not to play. But your personal life doesn't have anything to do with the game as a whole. There SHOULD be an inactive clan policy. It's smart. It isn't anyone's fault you can't take 3 minutes out of you day to log in and log back out. If they want their tag to be LaG instead of any other tag, and the ones using it have been gone, then why should they deserve to keep it? What if they never come back? Okay that brings up another point against the clan inactivity system. If I were the guy who owned the LaG tag, and let's say I'm also mean and terrible, I would make a point to log into starcraft every month or so just so the tag didn't go inactive. You're right it doesn't take but 3 minutes. Hmm, that's a good point you bring up. I guess if LaG couldn't reach an agreement with the guy, they'd have no choice but to accept a different tag (you can't force them to surrender the tag). Maybe blizz should just allow people to have the same tag. Although, that could be hectic when using the current find group function... o_O Maybe you could have a system similar to Twitter, where user accounts for celebrities and other notable people have a small icon that signifies that they are indeed Day[9] or Jennifer Love Hewitt or whatever, and not some imposter masquerading as them. If your organization is sufficiently renowned, you could apply for the clan tag you wanted and you'd receive it along with an identifier of some sort, to confirm that your players are truly a part of that clan or team. There would be some logistics to work out, like "how well-known is well-known?", and the possibility of everyone and their mother claiming to be notable and deserving of clan tag X, but I think it could solve this issue fairly well. Both parties get to keep the LaG tag, and the pro team can be easily identified.
I like this idea! Hmm, as you said though, we would have to discuss how to determine a team is "well-known." For a team like EG and TL, that's obviously easy. But for up and coming teams like LaG, who have been around for a long time... hmm... maybe by age? LaG has a website, could that work in their favor?
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On June 10 2013 07:54 Penguin7 wrote:
i really agree, a hard-working clan is trying to get known in Starcraft 2 and some other clan who is inactive is taking that chance away from them.
adding minor confusion sure, not taking the chance away though.
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On June 10 2013 08:01 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 07:57 Archas wrote:On June 10 2013 07:34 Shin_Gouki wrote:On June 10 2013 07:30 FunkyLich wrote:On June 10 2013 07:26 Shin_Gouki wrote:
Lol, that's a stupid way to look at it. Everyone has priorities in life which will cause them not to play. But your personal life doesn't have anything to do with the game as a whole. There SHOULD be an inactive clan policy. It's smart. It isn't anyone's fault you can't take 3 minutes out of you day to log in and log back out. If they want their tag to be LaG instead of any other tag, and the ones using it have been gone, then why should they deserve to keep it? What if they never come back? Okay that brings up another point against the clan inactivity system. If I were the guy who owned the LaG tag, and let's say I'm also mean and terrible, I would make a point to log into starcraft every month or so just so the tag didn't go inactive. You're right it doesn't take but 3 minutes. Hmm, that's a good point you bring up. I guess if LaG couldn't reach an agreement with the guy, they'd have no choice but to accept a different tag (you can't force them to surrender the tag). Maybe blizz should just allow people to have the same tag. Although, that could be hectic when using the current find group function... o_O Maybe you could have a system similar to Twitter, where user accounts for celebrities and other notable people have a small icon that signifies that they are indeed Day[9] or Jennifer Love Hewitt or whatever, and not some imposter masquerading as them. If your organization is sufficiently renowned, you could apply for the clan tag you wanted and you'd receive it along with an identifier of some sort, to confirm that your players are truly a part of that clan or team. There would be some logistics to work out, like "how well-known is well-known?", and the possibility of everyone and their mother claiming to be notable and deserving of clan tag X, but I think it could solve this issue fairly well. Both parties get to keep the LaG tag, and the pro team can be easily identified. I like this idea! Hmm, as you said though, we would have to discuss how to determine a team is "well-known." For a team like EG and TL, that's obviously easy. But for up and coming teams like LaG, who have been around for a long time... hmm... maybe by age? LaG has a website, could that work in their favor?
That'd be Blizzard's job to determine the metrics required for a "confirmed clan tag" or whatever term they'd use. Given how closely the developers follow tournaments, I would posit (in my uneducated opinion) that a team who can consistently afford to send players to tournaments, or has a unusually strong presence at the top of the ladder, should be considered for the confirmation indicator.
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Talk to whoever owns the tag not sure why you would post this on this site
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Can't you just rename to the clantag + nick as your full bnet name anyhow?
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On June 10 2013 08:24 HeeroFX wrote:
Talk to whoever owns the tag not sure why you would post this on this site
The point is to bring about discussion for the general suggestion of having an inactive clan policy with his own circumstances as an example. I suppose it does seem like a really minor issue, but I can understand how frustrating it can be to not be able to have a tag just because someone took it on a whim and did nothing more with it.
FunkyLich, no need to be rude. LaG has indeed been around for years, and this is a legitimate issue.
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On June 10 2013 07:26 Shin_Gouki wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2013 07:23 FunkyLich wrote:
Since April 30th? Roughly 2 months? Try roughly ONE. A system for cancelling inactive tags is just stupid. Personally, I don't play this game that often, so I'm liable to stop for as long as year and come back. What if I got a clan tag with my friends, and when I came back it got revoked without me knowing? I'd be kinda pissed.
Plus you get 6 alphanumeric characters in your clan tag. 6^36. Do the math. There's always gonna be another clan tag for you to pick.
My point is, don't come to TL and whine about how this guy apparently has a life (leaving a game for a little over a month, probably engaging in terrible debauchery), and how bad you deserve this. And my favorite:
" We want to have a very professional tag like LaG and not lLaGl because it makes us look slow and not fast enough to pick up that name. "
Well guess what you were too slow. Somebody else got it first. And it's rightfully theirs. Honestly, I now understand why this guy ignored you on bnet.
Now for the advice, if you've made it this far: It sounds like there is already a system in place to transfer tags. If this tag is that important to you, make him an offer. You know, wave some $$$ in his face. Since he's ignored you, try to get a hold of one of his contacts and explain the situation. If he still ignores you, it's because he's read this thread, and is now witholding the tag to spite you.
If a team like EG or TL had this happen to them, they would do just that. They would find the person with the tag, treat them with a tremendous amount of respect, and make a generous offer. Basically, if you want to be professional, stop whining like a bitch and let the money do the talking. Lol, that's a stupid way to look at it. Everyone has priorities in life which will cause them not to play. But your personal life doesn't have anything to do with the game as a whole. There SHOULD be an inactive clan policy. It's smart. It isn't anyone's fault you can't take 3 minutes out of you day to log in and log back out. If they want their tag to be LaG instead of any other tag, and the ones using it have been gone, then why should they deserve to keep it? What if they never come back?
That is quite stupid, nobody will remember logging in for 3 minutes just to keep a clan tag, unless as the previous one said someone intends to bother somebody.
Having clans expire due to inactivity will have far more negative impacts than positive ones.
The only proper reason to this would be for Blizzard to have a place to report these cases on, and if they can properly prove that they have the right to this tag, and they can see that the clan is inactive or maybe simply a troll, then reserve it for them.
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That is quite stupid, nobody will remember logging in for 3 minutes just to keep a clan tag, unless as the previous one said someone intends to bother somebody.
If they can't be bothered to log on to actually use the tag, why should they be entitled to it? It doesn't have to be three minutes a day, the specifics are arbitrary. There should be some sort of practice, though.
Having clans expire due to inactivity will have far more negative impacts than positive ones.
What are the negative impacts here?
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On June 10 2013 09:01 Windows 7 wrote:Show nested quote +That is quite stupid, nobody will remember logging in for 3 minutes just to keep a clan tag, unless as the previous one said someone intends to bother somebody. If they can't be bothered to log on to actually use the tag, why should they be entitled to it? It doesn't have to be three minutes a day, the specifics are arbitrary. There should be some sort of practice, though. Show nested quote +Having clans expire due to inactivity will have far more negative impacts than positive ones. What are the negative impacts here?
You forget that these clans also have a lot of members, and they will be dissolved if you choose to abandon a clan. Also, some clans are quite small, and just because you have a break from the game does not make them any less entitled to keep that tag, maybe they have used it for ages as well. TaG isn't pro, so it doesn't serve the community anything to give them their tag, unless the other clan which is holding their tag is simply a troll. That is the reason why blizzard most likely reserved tags for the pro teams, because it has benefits for the community and eSports, while an amateur team having their tag does not.
Also, you could have used the tag on battlenet for two years(eventually) and then because you're not on for a short time, you lose it. It's simply not worth the time for blizzard to make these changes, even if it's a simple one.
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I agree with the idea of a system which recognizes a 'known' team from an unknown team. It probably should use the same metric and/or system that Twitter uses: when you directly contact, or get contacted, you explain your reason for who you are and why you are famous. And of course there will be +/-'s in terms of 'fame' (EG is 'more' famous than RoX.KiS, but we interpret that somehow subliminally without hard evidence).
TLDR: Agree with you, but think the idea of a recognition system is better (think the Grandmaster of tags)
Sorry for the situation. That sounds rough.
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On June 10 2013 08:24 HeeroFX wrote:
Talk to whoever owns the tag not sure why you would post this on this site
"We even contacted the owners of the LaG tag only to have them instantly block us from communication."
Did you even read the OP?
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Same with Fnatic, we have to call ourselves "Fnatc", because some guy who havent played a single game in 5 months owns the clan (no other members), and my friend even contacted blizzard, but they told him they werent able to do anything about it because they havent implemented a way to fix this problem.
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On June 10 2013 09:19 FnaticPink wrote:
Same with Fnatic, we have to call ourselves "Fnatc", because some guy who havent played a single game in 5 months owns the clan (no other members), and my friend even contacted blizzard, but they told him they werent able to do anything about it because they havent implemented a way to fix this problem.
This is ridiculous that Blizzard won't respond to such a well known clan.
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We might have everyone beat. Some kids took NrG and even named it Team Energy, and exact copy of the team I've been running since the beginning of time. I offered him money, and was very polite in reasoning with him. Showed our liquipedia page with my name on it but he still wouldn't give it to us, so we now use lNrGl.
The worst part of it is most of the team hacks, and is lead by a guy who is all over TL for hacking (pandalove). So they are just running around tarnishing our reputation for those who don't know the difference..
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On June 10 2013 09:01 Windows 7 wrote:
What are the negative impacts here?
1.) People losing their rightful clan tags for stupid reasons like this. Where the *prestigous* clan is apparently too cheap to try and pay for the tag.
2.) Clans should be accessible to anyone, including the less active ones who aren't going to remember to log in every 3 months or whatever. It's stupid to have to remember this because there are plenty of tags available.
3.) Why would you want this UNLESS you were in this exact situation? This is just selfish. Just because making that one clan tag expire would be convenient for you, doesn't mean it would be convenient for everyone across the board. And that's completely ignoring the fact that this guy who owns the LaG tag at present would be inconvenienced the most. And has anyone even thought about it from the owner's perspective? It's his tag, plain and simple. Maybe he's not a troll (doesn't matter IMO but still). Maybe that's his clan's actual name. Mind boggling right? LaG is a name that I would have expected to go within the first hour of go-live on the clan tag system, especially since the names are case insensitive. If you didn't realize that, it's your fault as far as I'm concerned.
4) Finally as we've described, an inactivity system being put in place is not going to stop trolls. It's quite troll friendly actually. If I hated EG (I don't), and I was sitting on top of their clan tag, I would make a special point to log in once a month, just to make sure I keep them from getting this tag.
I'll say it again. Pay. Up. That is the solution here. If you want something bad enough, you gotta pay for it. Instead, OP is asking Blizzard to play Robin Hood for him, and frankly I find that immoral.
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