On June 10 2013 02:11 iAmJeffReY wrote:
Lower damage to 16, with +10 to light. No more double shotting workers, now it takes 3 shots. Same vein the blue flame nerf came through, and was widely successful.

yeah. i dont see why this wouldnt work.

saddaromma

1129 Posts

June 09 2013 17:18 GMT

#42

have no idea what to do with hellbat.
but if you want blizzard to look at something, they better look at colossi. That unit is so terrible. Forces protoss to play deathball, gateway units have lackluster damage inspite of it, boring units like viking, corruptor and tempest are introduced to the game for the sake of countering it.

/rant.

Zenbrez

Canada5973 Posts

June 09 2013 17:18 GMT

#43

On June 10 2013 01:40 gobbledydook wrote:

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hellions don't require gas and it has never been a problem...

Whoosh.

Bagi

Germany6799 Posts

June 09 2013 17:18 GMT

#44

On June 10 2013 01:50 Kenitek wrote:

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who cares about TvT? Then answer me this who cares about ZvZ? Blizzard does.

Blizzard nerfed mutas in a way that only affected ZvZ. How do you suggest we do the same to hellbats?

Hellbats aren't even comparable to mutas, they are mostly an early game harass unit. Mutas were the only thing you would build in a ZvZ after the ling/bling phase.

I play terran and I can accept a relatively chaotic early/midgame that includes hellbat drops. What I can't accept is protoss/zerg players using this as an excuse to whine about hellbats and suggest sweeping nerfs that would make the unit utterly useless.

MassTank

Italy21 Posts

June 09 2013 17:18 GMT

#45

I think they would be perfectly balanced if they didnt get healed from mediavacs. They would still be viable but they would get killed easier.

MockHamill

Sweden1798 Posts

June 09 2013 17:19 GMT

#46

As a Terran mech player I agree that Hellbats are almost broken as a worker killer and needs to be nerfed. Remove the bio tag and maybe lower the damage output a little bit.

Then give siege tanks in siege mode increased single target damage or bonus damage vs shields.

Coriolis

United States1152 Posts

June 09 2013 17:19 GMT

#47

The easiest fix would be to just not let you build them and charge a one time gas cost to transform them. That way you have to buy the upgrade, pay say, 50 gas to transform them, and THEN you can drop.

Not letting them heal would probably work too.

bGr.MetHiX

Bulgaria511 Posts

June 09 2013 17:20 GMT

#48

i see nothing wrong with the hellbats. if u scout them u can stop them. at least from a protoss perspective

Aquila-

516 Posts

June 09 2013 17:20 GMT

#49

Hellbats cant be dropped. Bam problem solved.

forsooth

United States3648 Posts

June 09 2013 17:20 GMT

#50

I'd like to see some kind of TvT-specific nerf for hellbats, not really sure how it could be implemented though. The matchup revolves around them far too much right now and has a bad tendency to prevent longer games, which is where all the fun of TvT is.

Bagi

Germany6799 Posts

June 09 2013 17:24 GMT

#51

On June 10 2013 02:18 MassTank wrote:
I think they would be perfectly balanced if they didnt get healed from mediavacs. They would still be viable but they would get killed easier.

Remove the biological tag -> hellbats can now tank archons -> colossi are the only protoss unit who can really kill hellbats quickly.

As a terran I would love to see that fix happen, but its not without its problems.

scypio

Poland2127 Posts

June 09 2013 17:25 GMT

#52

Let's save TvT and ruin TvZ/TvP... because after 1 season I don't like the TvT meta.

On second thought... let's not do that. That's a retarded idea.

Fig

United States1324 Posts

June 09 2013 17:26 GMT

#53

You realize this would still 2 shot workers. 26 x 2 = 52. Probes/Drones only have 40 hp and SCVs have 45.

At the moment Hellbats do 30 splash damage to workers each attack. That seems much too high for a 100 mineral unit that can be reactored out and has a lower build time than a zealot.

Emzeeshady

Canada4203 Posts

June 09 2013 17:26 GMT

#54

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Antylamon

United States1981 Posts

June 09 2013 17:26 GMT

#55

On June 10 2013 01:51 JIJI_ wrote:
Pretty much Z, P, non-mech T: hellbat is imba

Mech T: hellbat is fine

I play pure bio TvT... Hellbat is fine as long as you can actually look at the minimap. Also, they don't have stim, so they can't catch up to fleeing SCVs.

paddyz

Ireland628 Posts

June 09 2013 17:26 GMT

#56

I don't think the hellbat is broken. I wouldn't go out and say its perfect either though. Look at?, sure but I wouldn't pressure them into changing anything too drastically just yet.

Doublemint

Austria8366 Posts

June 09 2013 17:27 GMT

#57

On June 10 2013 02:20 bGr.MetHiX wrote:
i see nothing wrong with the hellbats. if u scout them u can stop them. at least from a protoss perspective

I fully agree with that, Hellbats are ok in PvT. TvT however has gradually gotten worse with mass hellbat dropping and that's basically the OPs point.

Emzeeshady

Canada4203 Posts

June 09 2013 17:27 GMT

#58

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Doublemint

Austria8366 Posts

June 09 2013 17:29 GMT

#59

On June 10 2013 02:27 Emzeeshady wrote:

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Hellbats could probably tank Archons better while being healed then not being healed.

Not to forget that immortals would do what they do best - wreck mech units.

Lock0n

United Kingdom184 Posts

June 09 2013 17:29 GMT

#60

Hellbat drops are actually very hard to do, it actually requires a sick amount of multitasking and micro and macro to make sure you get the right balance of offense and defence, and separates the good players from the poor. I think hellbat drops are great fun to watch, and there's always an excitement when the drops hit to see how much damage they can do. If anything, it's added more versatility to the matchup, and there is still a large variety in the matchup.