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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 02:04:32
May 10 2013 01:46 GMT
#1
These will be played LIVE in New York at the MLG studio.

Liquipedia: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2013_WCS_Season_1_America/Premier

How these will be played:
Group Stage #2 (Round of 16): Dual Tournament format.
Best-of-three.
The 4 players of each group in Round of 16 will face off similar to Round of 32.
Players who place 3rd and 4th in their group will fall to the Challenger League Round of 16.

Groups were chosen this way:
Two Ro32 group winners + 2 Ro32 second placers in every group chosen randomly. You can not meet someone you've been in a group with in the Ro32.


Group A: Monday, May 20 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
(Z)NesTea vs (Z)Snute
(P)Alicia vs (Z)Sen

Group B: Tuesday, May 21 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
(T)TheStC vs (T)Apocalypse
(P)CranK vs (Z)mOOnGLaDe

Group C: Wednesday, May 22 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
(P)HerO vs (Z)Scarlett
(Z)Suppy vs (Z)Revival


Group D: Thursday, May 23 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
(Z)viOLet vs (T)aLive
(T)Polt vs (T)Ryung

Poll: Group of Death?

D (370)
 
81%

C (55)
 
12%

A (28)
 
6%

B (4)
 
1%

457 total votes

Your vote: Group of Death?

(Vote): A
(Vote): B
(Vote): C
(Vote): D


Poll: Who will advance from Group A?

NesTea & Alicia (104)
 
26%

NesTea & Sen (102)
 
25%

Alicia & Sen (64)
 
16%

NesTea & Snute (63)
 
16%

Snute & Sen (37)
 
9%

Snute & Alicia (36)
 
9%

406 total votes

Your vote: Who will advance from Group A?

(Vote): NesTea & Snute
(Vote): NesTea & Alicia
(Vote): NesTea & Sen
(Vote): Snute & Alicia
(Vote): Snute & Sen
(Vote): Alicia & Sen


Poll: Who will advance from Group B?

TheStC & Crank (182)
 
54%

Crank & mOOnGLaDe (63)
 
19%

TheStC & mOOnGLaDe (46)
 
14%

TheStC & Apocalypse (22)
 
7%

Apocalypse & Crank (17)
 
5%

Apocalypse & mOOnGLaDe (4)
 
1%

334 total votes

Your vote: Who will advance from Group B?

(Vote): TheStC & Apocalypse
(Vote): TheStC & Crank
(Vote): TheStC & mOOnGLaDe
(Vote): Apocalypse & Crank
(Vote): Apocalypse & mOOnGLaDe
(Vote): Crank & mOOnGLaDe


Poll: Who will advance from Group C?

HerO & Scarlett (169)
 
44%

HerO & Revival (78)
 
20%

HerO & Suppy (68)
 
18%

Scarlett & Suppy (56)
 
15%

Scarlett & Revival (10)
 
3%

Suppy & Revival (5)
 
1%

386 total votes

Your vote: Who will advance from Group C?

(Vote): HerO & Scarlett
(Vote): HerO & Suppy
(Vote): HerO & Revival
(Vote): Scarlett & Suppy
(Vote): Scarlett & Revival
(Vote): Suppy & Revival


Poll: Who will advance from Group D?

viOLet & Polt (148)
 
42%

Polt vs Ryung (114)
 
32%

viOLet & Ryung (58)
 
16%

aLive & Polt (14)
 
4%

aLive & Ryung (11)
 
3%

viOLet & aLive (7)
 
2%

352 total votes

Your vote: Who will advance from Group D?

(Vote): viOLet & aLive
(Vote): viOLet & Polt
(Vote): viOLet & Ryung
(Vote): aLive & Polt
(Vote): aLive & Ryung
(Vote): Polt vs Ryung

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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 10 2013 01:47 GMT
#2
gosh i just finished making fourteen LR OPs time to make four more
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Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 01:53:28
May 10 2013 01:52 GMT
#3
Anyone else extremely disappointed there wasn't a group selection?

I mean, I understand they wouldn't of been able to do it in person and on camera, but they still could of done it by setting a time and having people pick. Then interviewing why they picked who they picked.

Disappointed.

^^and I could help you with those if you would like, but either or
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 10 2013 01:53 GMT
#4
On May 10 2013 10:52 Prplppleatr wrote:
Anyone else extremely disappointed there wasn't a group selection?

I mean, I understand they wouldn't of been able to do it in person and on camera, but they still could of done it by setting a time and having people pick. Then interviewing why they picked who they picked.

Disappointed.


How would they determine who gets to pick first though? GSL has a ranking based on points, but WCS doesn't really have that yet.
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Msr
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)495 Posts
May 10 2013 01:54 GMT
#5
poor violet lol, atleast he only has tvz to prepare
Popkiller
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3415 Posts
May 10 2013 01:58 GMT
#6
I'm feeling viOlet Ryung, for some reason.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10342 Posts
May 10 2013 01:58 GMT
#7
Suppy HerO Revival and Scarlett in the same group is too cruel .
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Charlie.Sheen
Profile Joined March 2013
662 Posts
May 10 2013 01:59 GMT
#8
Where's the option "None of the above"?
faiza
Profile Joined June 2012
United States451 Posts
May 10 2013 01:59 GMT
#9
Group D, holy shit what the
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
May 10 2013 01:59 GMT
#10
Man group C is just rough from a fan point of view. 2 very likeable foreigners in Suppy and Scarlett and also HerO.
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 02:01:04
May 10 2013 01:59 GMT
#11
On May 10 2013 10:53 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 10:52 Prplppleatr wrote:
Anyone else extremely disappointed there wasn't a group selection?

I mean, I understand they wouldn't of been able to do it in person and on camera, but they still could of done it by setting a time and having people pick. Then interviewing why they picked who they picked.

Disappointed.


How would they determine who gets to pick first though? GSL has a ranking based on points, but WCS doesn't really have that yet.

Draw straws, lol. Or maybe the way they came up with these groups...yes they have those rules of not meeting someone, but there is more than on possibility with those...Does it really matter?
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justinpal
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3810 Posts
May 10 2013 02:00 GMT
#12
D is for Death.
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yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
May 10 2013 02:00 GMT
#13
Group C makes me sad
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rei
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States3594 Posts
May 10 2013 02:00 GMT
#14
date? when are the groups going to be played? cause I have Hero on my fantasy team.
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Soke
Profile Joined September 2012
United States790 Posts
May 10 2013 02:00 GMT
#15
On May 10 2013 10:52 Prplppleatr wrote:
Anyone else extremely disappointed there wasn't a group selection?

I mean, I understand they wouldn't of been able to do it in person and on camera, but they still could of done it by setting a time and having people pick. Then interviewing why they picked who they picked.

Disappointed.

^^and I could help you with those if you would like, but either or


What would of ended up happening is that the Koreans would all try to get the foreigners, with the exception of maybe scarlett and no foreigners would get through :/
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PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
May 10 2013 02:00 GMT
#16
Group D stands above every other group in terms of sheer talent and results.
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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
May 10 2013 02:00 GMT
#17
I think Sen should make it out of that group, and one of Scarlett or Suppy could make it out of theirs.

This is a pretty bad "Americas" tournament though
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zumpy
Profile Joined August 2011
United States122 Posts
May 10 2013 02:00 GMT
#18
Damn that group D...
Sen Suppy and Scarlett all have strong chances to make it out though.
Moonglade a little tougher.
Let's hope for a not all Korean Ro8!
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 02:01:57
May 10 2013 02:01 GMT
#19
On May 10 2013 11:00 rei wrote:
date? when are the groups going to be played? cause I have Hero on my fantasy team.


There isn't any type of WCS fantasy league? Unless you mean fantasy team on another site.
Paramo
Profile Joined July 2008
Mexico138 Posts
May 10 2013 02:01 GMT
#20
A nice chance for Moonglade, I think he can def make it :D
Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 02:02:35
May 10 2013 02:01 GMT
#21
On May 10 2013 11:00 Soke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 10:52 Prplppleatr wrote:
Anyone else extremely disappointed there wasn't a group selection?

I mean, I understand they wouldn't of been able to do it in person and on camera, but they still could of done it by setting a time and having people pick. Then interviewing why they picked who they picked.

Disappointed.

^^and I could help you with those if you would like, but either or


What would of ended up happening is that the Koreans would all try to get the foreigners, with the exception of maybe scarlett and no foreigners would get through :/

And you think they have better chances with these groups? lol

With so many koreans going through, that is unavoidable. And every korean will be trying to get a foreigner, so it would be interesting.
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LessPewPewMoarQQ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States23 Posts
May 10 2013 02:02 GMT
#22
And I was just looking at this on liquipedia wondering why there wasn't a thread yet.

Group D is definitely the group of death though, all those Koreans, all those Terrans, all that violet.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 10 2013 02:03 GMT
#23
On May 10 2013 11:00 rei wrote:
date? when are the groups going to be played? cause I have Hero on my fantasy team.

the week of May 20-23. I'll add it to the OP
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MinzySC2
Profile Joined August 2011
United States261 Posts
May 10 2013 02:05 GMT
#24
Rofl. I don't know how MLG is creating these brackets, but they have been just god awful from the start.
Shitposting for America.
Cuh
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States403 Posts
May 10 2013 02:05 GMT
#25
Lets go Nestea!!!
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Luftmensch
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
277 Posts
May 10 2013 02:06 GMT
#26
A total of 2 people from the Americas out of the 16...
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
May 10 2013 02:08 GMT
#27
On May 10 2013 11:06 Luftmensch wrote:
A total of 2 people from the Americas out of the 16...


Are you surprised? Still, we did have a few solid NA players fall short though (Illusion, Huk, Major, etc.), but the number wasn't going to be much higher than this
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Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
May 10 2013 02:09 GMT
#28
Groups are pretty unbalanced o.o'' I think it's difficult to make them more top heavy than they are without putting all of the foreigners into one group.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
May 10 2013 02:09 GMT
#29
On May 10 2013 11:08 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 11:06 Luftmensch wrote:
A total of 2 people from the Americas out of the 16...


Are you surprised? Still, we did have a few solid NA players fall short though (Illusion, Huk, Major, etc.), but the number wasn't going to be much higher than this

I'm pretty sure most people were expecting just Scarlett and hoping to maybe get a 2nd
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Reborn8u
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1761 Posts
May 10 2013 02:11 GMT
#30
I would not want to be a protoss in group A or C. It's nice to have only 1 matchup to practice, but at the same time it's going to be tough when the other 2 zergs see your builds. Not to mention the skill level of the zergs they are facing! As far as a group of death it's tough to say, I mean playing in groups with all solid players is one thing, but playing in groups with such a wide variety of styles from all over the world and them having time to prepare can be a gauntlet.
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Luftmensch
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
277 Posts
May 10 2013 02:12 GMT
#31
On May 10 2013 11:08 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 11:06 Luftmensch wrote:
A total of 2 people from the Americas out of the 16...


Are you surprised? Still, we did have a few solid NA players fall short though (Illusion, Huk, Major, etc.), but the number wasn't going to be much higher than this


Meh... With Blizzard messing up the region restrictions and MLG messing up the qualifiers, the whole Americas part of WCS is a complete farce.
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Luftmensch
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
277 Posts
May 10 2013 02:14 GMT
#32
On May 10 2013 11:09 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 11:08 Bagration wrote:
On May 10 2013 11:06 Luftmensch wrote:
A total of 2 people from the Americas out of the 16...


Are you surprised? Still, we did have a few solid NA players fall short though (Illusion, Huk, Major, etc.), but the number wasn't going to be much higher than this

I'm pretty sure most people were expecting just Scarlett and hoping to maybe get a 2nd


I didn't even know Scarlett was playing again after that announcement about a 6 month long hiatus.
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Thrillz
Profile Joined May 2012
4313 Posts
May 10 2013 02:18 GMT
#33
On May 10 2013 11:11 Reborn8u wrote:
I would not want to be a protoss in group A or C. It's nice to have only 1 matchup to practice, but at the same time it's going to be tough when the other 2 zergs see your builds. Not to mention the skill level of the zergs they are facing! As far as a group of death it's tough to say, I mean playing in groups with all solid players is one thing, but playing in groups with such a wide variety of styles from all over the world and them having time to prepare can be a gauntlet.


Pretty sure HerO isn't dwelling over his group at all.
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
May 10 2013 02:21 GMT
#34
Go Suppy and Scarlett!
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 02:26:45
May 10 2013 02:24 GMT
#35
On May 10 2013 11:12 Luftmensch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 11:08 Bagration wrote:
On May 10 2013 11:06 Luftmensch wrote:
A total of 2 people from the Americas out of the 16...


Are you surprised? Still, we did have a few solid NA players fall short though (Illusion, Huk, Major, etc.), but the number wasn't going to be much higher than this


Meh... With Blizzard messing up the region restrictions and MLG messing up the qualifiers, the whole Americas part of WCS is a complete farce.


Either way it was going to be a farce. If you only have the Americans (meaning the North and South Americans) playing in a tournament that had the same prizepool as the GSL in Korea, that would have been easy money for players like Scarlett. And that would have been a farce.

At least by bringing in the Koreans, you get a decent level of competition for the tournament, and now winning WCS AM will hold more significance.
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hesho89
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada106 Posts
May 10 2013 02:27 GMT
#36
y must scarlett and hero face each other >< Those were the 2 players i was rooting for the most too
eh?
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 02:35:30
May 10 2013 02:34 GMT
#37
Compared to the EU groups Group D definitely looks more meatier than the rest whereas EU looks even keel.
On May 10 2013 11:27 hesho89 wrote:
y must scarlett and hero face each other >< Those were the 2 players i was rooting for the most too

Someone has to die eventually.
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 02:48:59
May 10 2013 02:39 GMT
#38
On May 10 2013 11:11 Reborn8u wrote:
I would not want to be a protoss in group A or C. It's nice to have only 1 matchup to practice, but at the same time it's going to be tough when the other 2 zergs see your builds. Not to mention the skill level of the zergs they are facing! As far as a group of death it's tough to say, I mean playing in groups with all solid players is one thing, but playing in groups with such a wide variety of styles from all over the world and them having time to prepare can be a gauntlet.


yeah because Hero is really worried about the skill level of the zergs in his group XD.
he just looks over at violets group, then back at his and sighs in relief.
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Irave
Profile Joined October 2010
United States9965 Posts
May 10 2013 02:48 GMT
#39
Group C is easily the group that gets the most attention from me. Seems like a pretty solid/even group.
izmatic
Profile Joined November 2012
United States104 Posts
May 10 2013 02:56 GMT
#40
On May 10 2013 11:06 Luftmensch wrote:
A total of 2 people from the Americas out of the 16...


And both in the same group, that is pretty sad =/ GO GO Suppy!!

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Radicalness
Profile Joined September 2011
United States271 Posts
May 10 2013 02:57 GMT
#41
The only two people actually from the Americas get put in the same group *facepalm*
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althaz
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia1001 Posts
May 10 2013 03:00 GMT
#42
On May 10 2013 11:01 Thrillz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2013 11:00 rei wrote:
date? when are the groups going to be played? cause I have Hero on my fantasy team.


There isn't any type of WCS fantasy league? Unless you mean fantasy team on another site.

I assume he means he's worried about Hero being fatigued from travel, or having already left for WCS when Proleague is on .
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Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
May 10 2013 03:01 GMT
#43
Damn, that's a hard group for Polt.
Violet has always been one of the zerg that give him trouble, and both aLive and Ryung are TvT monsters. oO
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SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 03:07:13
May 10 2013 03:04 GMT
#44
Likely to see an All-Korean round of 8 for the "America WCS" . . .

Blizzard, you watching? Going to weasel out of this PR screw-up somehow? Don't worry, I'm sure you'll think of something creative as an excuse . . .


P.S. Anyone imagining the crowd reaction during Blizzcon when the entire "America" roster walks on stage in front of thousands of Americans and it's all Koreans? Cringe-worthy to think about.
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Obant
Profile Joined July 2011
United States11 Posts
May 10 2013 03:16 GMT
#45
Their reasoning hasn't changed from the start. Best games, by the best players, played live in your timezone. Honestly, I wouldn't care who walked on stage, as long as I got to see amazing games. Previous Blizzcon, NASL and MLG live tournaments have been filled with Koreans too.

That being said, I really would like to see region locks, To me, it would make it a whole lot more interesting, but I understand their viewpoint.
Bonkarooni
Profile Joined October 2010
United States383 Posts
May 10 2013 03:18 GMT
#46
Are they only playing r16 in NYC, or are they going all the way to the finals?
Joedaddy
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1948 Posts
May 10 2013 03:46 GMT
#47
At first I was all like, "cool, WCS AM groups" then I saw all the korean names and I was all like "damn, I must have clicked on the wrong thread" but then I was all like "oh..."

In all seriousness though, I'm really digging the set up. Outside of Polt, its hard to see a clear favorite.
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Torrathyr
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada95 Posts
May 10 2013 04:18 GMT
#48
Whoever made group C should be terminated -_-
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Nuclease
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1049 Posts
May 10 2013 04:19 GMT
#49
Group C just makes me feel like MLG is trying to screw NA fans T.T
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Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia556 Posts
May 10 2013 04:19 GMT
#50
moonglade fighting!
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Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
May 10 2013 04:22 GMT
#51
Who will pay the flight for non-US residents? Organizer or teams?
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Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
May 10 2013 04:22 GMT
#52
Group D is quite good, for NA standards :D
2 purebred Americans vs 1 Korean Terran + 1 faceless guy, sounds pretty interesting.
SCST
Profile Joined November 2011
Mexico1609 Posts
May 10 2013 04:59 GMT
#53
On May 10 2013 12:16 Obant wrote:
Their reasoning hasn't changed from the start. Best games, by the best players, played live in your timezone. Honestly, I wouldn't care who walked on stage, as long as I got to see amazing games. Previous Blizzcon, NASL and MLG live tournaments have been filled with Koreans too.

That being said, I really would like to see region locks, To me, it would make it a whole lot more interesting, but I understand their viewpoint.


I would happily agree Obant, but the thing is, their reasoning has changed from the start. They realized that they screwed up by not enforcing a strict region-lock, and then tried to cover their mistake (rather than owning up to it) by taking the easy way out . . . "we just want to see the best games".

If the above statement is true, why even bother having a regional divide at all? Why not just invite the top players from a variety of competitions throughout the year to Blizzcon? Logic bomb.
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Dudasc
Profile Joined October 2012
Brazil286 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 05:07:26
May 10 2013 05:06 GMT
#54
Group A: NesTea Alicia

Group B: Apocalypse Crank (TheStC played like shit in ro32)

Group C: Scarlett Suppy (maybe Revival over suppy, but I think that suppy and scarlett are gonna help each other in zvz and advance together because scarlett is crazy good in zvp)

Group D:
Polt viOlet (if violet is PeGaSuS in KR then he will advance for sure)

Don't doubt me, I have crazy WR in predictions.
DeathProfessor
Profile Joined March 2012
United States1052 Posts
May 10 2013 05:20 GMT
#55
This tournament sucks but actually, I can see the twisted logic in Group C

I said this before but, you give NA fans an out if they just want too watch NA play Korean then they can watch 1 group and not waste time. Lets say Crank goes to Group D. Easily he loses. This is too sad to see for NA fans. 2 NA in 1 group means they have 200% chance at making it as well.

Also look at the group, it has some easy Koreans. Revival I checked him out, hes shitty for a Korean, very beatable. Scarlett is arguably the best player there. Suppy, he is looking very good 4-0 in RO32. Hero I don't know about him but he is really fragile lately on a stage. If he gets beaten by Scarlett, very possible, he could be mentally damaged enough to lose to Suppy.

2 NA advance to RO8 baby. And like Incontrol said, the news isn't Korean wins its Suppy beats TWO Axiom players to go to BO16. You will want to be there if this happens! Facing Koreans is what really gets you viewers, people love underdogs.

2 NA in BO8 will get crazy viewers!

Maybe MLG and Blizzard through their insane logic... actually did the right thing? Still yet to be seen.
IMSmooth
Profile Joined May 2011
United States679 Posts
May 10 2013 05:21 GMT
#56
Is this done online or live?

To be honest these WCS tournaments are just not interesting because they arent live.
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Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
May 10 2013 05:45 GMT
#57
On May 10 2013 12:04 SCST wrote:
Likely to see an All-Korean round of 8 for the "America WCS" . . .

Blizzard, you watching? Going to weasel out of this PR screw-up somehow? Don't worry, I'm sure you'll think of something creative as an excuse . . .


P.S. Anyone imagining the crowd reaction during Blizzcon when the entire "America" roster walks on stage in front of thousands of Americans and it's all Koreans? Cringe-worthy to think about.



The best players should represent. If americans cant win games to prove they belong, then they dont belong.
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Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 06:32:34
May 10 2013 06:30 GMT
#58
HerO and his all zerg groups. That's good though. He's had these kinda groups before and whether he wins or loses, the matchup in question has always looked very improved by the end of it. And HerO's PvZ for some reason does need a little boost. I honestly believe he could go back to having the best PvZ in the world if he just figured out a solid way to play to his strengths.
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R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10342 Posts
May 10 2013 06:32 GMT
#59
On May 10 2013 14:21 IMSmooth wrote:
Is this done online or live?

To be honest these WCS tournaments are just not interesting because they arent live.

All of WCS is live. Ro16 and onwards is at a LAN as well.
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Schelim
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Austria11528 Posts
May 10 2013 06:35 GMT
#60
lmao, 2 north americans but all the non-NA foreigners advanced. and this is why this would not be an interesting tournament if we had region locking. not to mention the embarassment that would occur in the season finals when the top 5 NA players show up and are sent right back home.
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catvfather
Profile Joined August 2012
United States2 Posts
May 10 2013 07:07 GMT
#61
Group C is death, death of the last "southern" North American (USA). I still voted for Suppy but... HerO and Scarlett, so tough
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Gr33d
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany423 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 07:40:17
May 10 2013 07:18 GMT
#62
WCS NA is such a failure its already funny. Five foreign players, two of those belonging to the SEA region and one from EU.
It will not get any better until they made it an complete offline event too (and even then there will be a huge number of koreans attending in the Ro32).

edit:Corrected the number
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 10 2013 07:31 GMT
#63
Many will probably write me off as hater once again, but I would enjoy a Ro8 with only Koreans. It would not be a failure to me, because I enjoy the highest level of competition. While those Koreans are probably not the definition of highest level (would be GSL Group B) its still the highest you could get there.

I will root for Scarlett and Suppy, both being non-Korean and represent NA, not because I want NA to do well in particular, but because I think they are hard working and "DESERVING". I can see , especially in Scarlett as I don't follow Suppy too much that she is putting time into the game, she's playing well and reflecting on her game (as you can tell, she's removing mistakes) so if they can make it into the Round of 8, that is something to cheer for.

In no way I think foreigners shouldn't be cheered on, but I disagree with cheering them on for nothing. If they work on their game, show improvement and play well, I'll gladly cheer for a foreigner over a Korean any day. That being sad, I hope HerO (hard because same group as Suppy/Scarlett), viOleT and Polt do well.

I also like Ryung and aLive, Group D is a bitch. T_T
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Specialist
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States803 Posts
May 10 2013 07:31 GMT
#64
wcs is such a failure..
i would normally be excited for such blizzard sponsored events but this is just a mediocore tournament where Korean who can't compete in korea roll over foreigners... how fun
WolfintheSheep
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada14127 Posts
May 10 2013 07:36 GMT
#65
On May 10 2013 16:18 Gr33d wrote:
WCS NA is such a failure its already funny. Four foreign players, two of those belonging to the SEA region and one from EU.
It will not get any better until they made it an complete offline event too (and even then there will be a huge number of koreans attending in the Ro32).


Snute, Scarlett, Suppy, Sen, Moon...that's five foreigners.


As an aside, can we call them 4xS&M?
Average means I'm better than half of you.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
May 10 2013 07:36 GMT
#66
On May 10 2013 16:31 SpecialistSc wrote:
wcs is such a failure..
i would normally be excited for such blizzard sponsored events but this is just a mediocore tournament where Korean who can't compete in korea roll over foreigners... how fun


Yeah, I'm really enjoying it!
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 10 2013 07:42 GMT
#67
On May 10 2013 16:31 SpecialistSc wrote:
wcs is such a failure..
i would normally be excited for such blizzard sponsored events but this is just a mediocore tournament where Korean who can't compete in korea roll over foreigners... how fun


Ryung nearly all-killed Prime for that matter. Polt played a close 2-3 vs Life. Its not that they cannot compete in Korea. Its that they don't want to, because the chances are just slim compared to playing in NA while the price pool is the same. Its smart.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
twndomn
Profile Joined September 2010
401 Posts
May 10 2013 07:50 GMT
#68
If you live in United States, you are American ok? Support American's last hope, aka Polt~!


(Sorry Suppy, I'll consider you once you get a Top 3 from anything major).
"If MC wins this, his name would not be SK MC, it would be ST MC, ST for Saint, performing miracles." - Artosis.
McBengt
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1684 Posts
May 10 2013 07:57 GMT
#69
Scarlett and Suppster, I believe! Heart says aforementioned duo, brain says Scarlett and Hero. My brain tends to be right a lot more than my heart, unfortunately.
"My twelve year old will out-reason Bill Maher when it comes to understanding, you know, what, uh, how to logic work" - Rick Santorum
SammiRei
Profile Joined May 2013
United Kingdom5 Posts
May 10 2013 08:07 GMT
#70
On May 10 2013 11:14 Luftmensch wrote:

I didn't even know Scarlett was playing again after that announcement about a 6 month long hiatus.


Pretty sure the hiatus was always intended to be after the current season of WCS\current round in GSTL.
zerotol
Profile Joined August 2009
Belgium508 Posts
May 10 2013 08:13 GMT
#71
One American and One Canadian.

WCS America. Sad state of affairs. What has to change?
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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
May 10 2013 08:15 GMT
#72
On May 10 2013 17:13 zerotol wrote:
One American and One Canadian.

WCS America. Sad state of affairs. What has to change?


Have to play better
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Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 08:44:13
May 10 2013 08:42 GMT
#73
NesTea with that sick no terran group, and two ZvZ matches he can play if he loses to Alicia. Looks good for him.

EDIT: WSC AM, not NA. Read the thread title folks.
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2147 Posts
May 10 2013 09:17 GMT
#74
Snute, NesTea, TheSTC, Polt!
woyaochuan22qunzi
Profile Joined May 2013
3 Posts
May 10 2013 09:20 GMT
#75
--- Nuked ---
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
May 10 2013 09:22 GMT
#76
On May 10 2013 16:31 SpecialistSc wrote:
wcs is such a failure..
i would normally be excited for such blizzard sponsored events but this is just a mediocore tournament where Korean who can't compete in korea roll over foreigners... how fun


Most of the Korean's are capable of competing in Korea. The reason why these Korean's play on AM is because they have a foreign team backing them up. Also there's nothing that suggest it's been a failure so far, the stream numbers have been fairly consistent from the start, not to mention it's not much different from how most tournaments looked during the whole 2012. Maybe let the season play out before you call the end of the world.
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ApocAlypsE007
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Israel1007 Posts
May 10 2013 09:53 GMT
#77
Didn't Scarlett said that she taking a break from SC2?
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
May 10 2013 09:55 GMT
#78
Holy crap group D.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
May 10 2013 09:57 GMT
#79
On May 10 2013 18:55 Targe wrote:
Holy crap group D.

group D would be a very average RO32 GSL group but in context of WCS AM it's pretty good haha. i really hope polt and violet make it out of this one
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Ettick
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States2434 Posts
May 10 2013 12:17 GMT
#80
Suppy will make it out of his group
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-10 13:15:45
May 10 2013 13:14 GMT
#81
On May 10 2013 21:17 Ettick wrote:
Suppy will make it out of his group


If he's got good ZvZ, yes. I don't see him beating HerO. I'm not sure how Scarlett's ZvZ is these days but she was freaking good at it in WoL and Revival kinda made his name through ZvZ.
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TronJovolta
Profile Joined April 2013
United States323 Posts
May 10 2013 18:47 GMT
#82
I like how Group B is voted the "least dangerous" group, when it is easily the second strongest. Crank and TheSTC are the strongest players outside of Group D.
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
May 10 2013 20:22 GMT
#83
On May 11 2013 03:47 TronJovolta wrote:
I like how Group B is voted the "least dangerous" group, when it is easily the second strongest. Crank and TheSTC are the strongest players outside of Group D.


HerO?
you know, the reigning NASL champion? the guy who has won the dreamhack winter championship the last 2 years?
Crank and STC are great, but neither have anywhere near the accomplishments.
Also there is this guy named Nestea...
idk, maybe you havent heard of him? XD
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ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
May 10 2013 20:47 GMT
#84
On May 11 2013 03:47 TronJovolta wrote:
I like how Group B is voted the "least dangerous" group, when it is easily the second strongest. Crank and TheSTC are the strongest players outside of Group D.

Besides disagreeing with your point (HerO, Revival both are stronger than the whole of B imho), one question is on my mind: wouldn't TronJavolta make more sense?
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[OGN]Remmy
Profile Joined March 2013
United States1206 Posts
May 10 2013 21:33 GMT
#85
It's really excited to see a group full of Koreans in WCS AM! I can't wait to see that group of death.
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Pandahunterz
Profile Joined March 2013
Netherlands213 Posts
May 11 2013 11:28 GMT
#86
group D almost the NA version of Code S group B, so many good players, but still think polt and violet will make it out. other groups are easy, s-koreans should dominate once again =D
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
May 11 2013 22:01 GMT
#87
Can't wait/hoping for nestea v sen, moonglade vs crank, suppy vs Scarlett, and polt vs ryung
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
May 11 2013 22:17 GMT
#88
On May 10 2013 10:47 opterown wrote:
gosh i just finished making fourteen LR OPs time to make four more

Putting your star into overtime
Refer to my post.
dirtydurb82
Profile Joined December 2012
United States178 Posts
May 11 2013 22:22 GMT
#89
Most went with Group D, but I think Group C is super-nasty.
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joquinn
Profile Joined April 2012
Canada14 Posts
May 12 2013 00:55 GMT
#90
I like how the only two players that are actually from North America are in the same group... Lets hope they both make it through XD.
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[PKU]Quasar
Profile Joined May 2013
China3 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-12 06:04:11
May 12 2013 06:03 GMT
#91
There are 11 Koreans of this Round of 16...
Is this really a WCS America?
kanada
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada255 Posts
May 12 2013 07:38 GMT
#92
On May 10 2013 13:22 Arceus wrote:
Who will pay the flight for non-US residents? Organizer or teams?


Pretty sure blizzard said they would pay for flights of people from within the region only. So the team or player has to pay to get into the region and then blizzard will pay the remainder of the trip if it isn't direct.
SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
May 12 2013 07:40 GMT
#93
Group A: NesTea and Sen
Group B : TheStC and CranK
Group C: Hero and Revival
Group D: aLive and Ryung
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
May 12 2013 13:37 GMT
#94
Group A:
> Nestea
> Sen

Group B:
> Crank
> Moonglade

Group C:
> Hero
> Scarlett

Group D:
> Violet
> Polt

Italics indicate likely bias in the pick.
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TronJovolta
Profile Joined April 2013
United States323 Posts
May 12 2013 18:13 GMT
#95
On May 11 2013 05:47 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2013 03:47 TronJovolta wrote:
I like how Group B is voted the "least dangerous" group, when it is easily the second strongest. Crank and TheSTC are the strongest players outside of Group D.

Besides disagreeing with your point (HerO, Revival both are stronger than the whole of B imho), one question is on my mind: wouldn't TronJavolta make more sense?


Aw, man...
thurst0n
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States611 Posts
May 12 2013 18:20 GMT
#96
On May 10 2013 11:00 Dexington wrote:
I think Sen should make it out of that group, and one of Scarlett or Suppy could make it out of theirs.

This is a pretty bad "Americas" tournament though

There is no region lock, get off it. This is a great tourney. The idea is to bolster the scene not to have a tournament for only Americas, I would watch maybe the top 4 of an Americas only tourney. The talent is just not deep enough yet.

P.S. I'm nub. If you'd like you can follow me @xthurst but its not worth it ill be honest
blackbrrd
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway477 Posts
May 12 2013 18:54 GMT
#97
Not too many "natives" in this tournament, but I think it will get better. The GSL did wonders for Korean starcraft. Now you have a major tournament in EU and NA where you get to play a lot of matches and they all get streamed and I do think more of it will be offline in a couple of seasons.

Anyway, there are more Norwegians in the US than there are in Norway, so why aren't you Americans rooting for Snute? He is practially American.

GoGo Snute!
ItanoCircus
Profile Joined January 2013
United States67 Posts
May 13 2013 13:32 GMT
#98
I'm pulling for Suppy and Hero to make it out of Group C.

I think Scarlett's wrist issues haven't fully eased up and I'm basically praying that Suppy's ZvZ is solid enough to beat Revival... but make it so!

Not to mention I think Scarlett's going to have a hard time with HerO considering the state of balance (nerfed Infestors, safer Protoss) and how well the different races have adapted. I'm not saying one race is OP, but that Zergs might have a little more to learn / change given the severity of their nerf/buff ratio.

HerO > Scarlett
Suppy > Revival

Scarlett > Revival
HerO > Suppy

Suppy > Scarlett (I'm rooting, not likely but I'm rooting).

I just really want Suppy to win Not to mention my wallet endorsements of EG have gone up recently, so SUPPY!!

But I wouldn't even chance to guess Group D. Polt v Ryung? I'm not even gonna liquibet.

Better to be thought a fool and keep your mouth closed than to open it and remove all doubt.
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