EPTGaming rage and anger management - please help - Page 10
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Cubu
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BisuDagger
Bisutopia19307 Posts
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DeathProfessor
United States1052 Posts
Personally, no other game has made me rage like SC2 although I experience gamer rage occasionally. (who hasn't?) I got up to silver league and then said to myself it just isn't worth it. I like watching now because I know the skill that these guys have. I seriously disagree with people who say you should continue playing because you are passionate. You are going to hurt yourself and the ones you love with your rage. You will never be a huge superstar, the pros are all super cold blooded people who rarely if ever get angry when they lose. QXC is an exception, although he isn't mad most of the time and has a good work ethic. Play DOTA2 or a single player game or WoW, and watch and be a passionate FAN of the game is my advice. Some people aren't wired for this. Doesn't make you a bad person, I can't play basketball for being too short and I have accepted that. But everyone has posted good advice on keeping cool and you should follow that if you need too keep going. Peace. | ||
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LarJarsE
United States1378 Posts
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warshop
Canada490 Posts
On May 09 2013 14:27 BisuDagger wrote: I know your game is SC2 but maybe you should play SC1 on iccup for a while. First, you are going to lose tons of games so you will be forced to face that. Second, in sc1 as soon as you leave the game you are in the same chat room as your opponent and many other people where you can talk about your lose and understand what happened rather then be annoyed at the piece of shit who just beat you. The SC2 bnet community is much harder to talk with post games for review but maybe playing on iccup will help you vent out anger and learn how think as a better player when in the face of losing. Just an of color suggestion in the face of many good ones from other posters. Lauriel, I have to agree with BisuDagger. Talking about it makes a huge difference (even if you rage). Personally, I had a few friends who raged a lot (towards ladder and towards me) but playing against them more and more actually helped them. You should find a few practice partners (maybe join a team/clan). I really recommend practice 1vs1 (against partners). | ||
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jubil
United States2602 Posts
On May 09 2013 14:32 LarJarsE wrote: try smokin weed. when you are stoned try to analyze why you rage when you lose and what you can do to prevent the rage.. try smokin before a game to play super casual. dont worry about winning or losing.. its about entertainment. haha, I remember the one time I played after I smoked weed, everything was so funny. for example, I'd try to hellion harass zerg, be staring at his natural for a few seconds wondering where my hellions were before realizing I never rallied the factory and they were just piling up in my main. Now normally I'd be pissed at a mistake like that, but at the time I just thought it was the absolute funniest thing in the world. I also started doing the whole Fantasy gg thing, hanging in the game for longer b/c I couldn't tell when I had lost. So yeah, less rage that way, though not really an option if your work/spouse is against it obviously. | ||
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intense555
United States474 Posts
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ETisME
12686 Posts
I think it's an important question, sometimes I hit my table because I know I could have won but messed up somewhere. Sometimes I just bm the opponent because in TvP, you have to do all the work and protoss just need to move out in a deathball and suddenly it is gg. sometimes I bm because the opponent cheesed and really rude etc | ||
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VictorJones
United States235 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Please don't actually do that last part :X In all seriousness though, things probably aren't as hunky-dory as you're letting on. If they really are, and starcraft is such a huge problem, then pick up a different hobby | ||
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Parcelleus
Australia1662 Posts
Story: I was overtaking a car on a regular 2-way road. The person I was overtaking decided "you are not overtaking me', and accelerated while I was overtaking him. My competitive spirit said, 'no your not gunna be a bully douche with me', and I accelerated, he accelerated, I accelerated and over-took him. At this stage we were over the speed limit, and he ended up following me to my dad's work (where I was going) - usually I would just rock up to a police station and say 'lets sort this out here' (and watch them run - stupid bully). Anyway, I get out of my car and he stops his car , and starts yelling abuse, I just stand there arms folded looking at him calmly. My dad walks out and he 'retreats'. I couldnt believe he had his wife and BABY in the car! he put his wife and baby at risk just because he was overtaken! Even though I 'won' , the feelings of the experience were not comfortable and something I wouldnt put myself through again. I will just let the idiot 'win' , cos I know Im the real winner. | ||
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Nightshade_
United States549 Posts
On May 09 2013 14:44 ETisME wrote: are you angry at him or at yourself or at the game? I think it's an important question, sometimes I hit my table because I know I could have won but messed up somewhere. Sometimes I just bm the opponent because in TvP, you have to do all the work and protoss just need to move out in a deathball and suddenly it is gg. sometimes I bm because the opponent cheesed and really rude etc thinly veiled balance whine | ||
Liquid`Zephyr
United States996 Posts
real answer - probably need to work on a more realistic expectation of what you are capable of when you play [i.e. just because i know how to and can beat x doesnt mean im going to every time] also look into finding some way to remind yourself that how the game turns out doesnt reflect on who you are as a person at all | ||
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Nightshade_
United States549 Posts
On May 09 2013 14:57 Liquid`Zephyr wrote: band aid answer - you may want to look into breathing exercises after each game/before starting the next game. real answer - probably need to work on a more realistic expectation of what you are capable of when you play [i.e. just because i know how to and can beat x doesnt mean im going to every time] also look into finding some way to remind yourself that how the game turns out doesnt reflect on who you are as a person at all This is essentially what made me rage 95% of the time. | ||
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Zanzabarr
Canada217 Posts
As you are gaming, the second anything annoying and rage-inducing happens, like a lost scv, mis-rally, supply block, etc, start letting out a low, steady scream, like a whisper scream, gradually increasing in intensity as the bad things build up.... ultimately culminating on the loss of your entire army and the loss of the game. During longer macro games, the scream will be very drawn out and will increase at a slow pace. During cheeses and 1 base allins, the scream will increase in intensity very rapidly. During these short games, it is important to break up the intense screams with short, few second pauses as to not overdo it. You can count these pauses in your head to aid you. For Example: AHHH (1..2..3) AHHH (1..2..3) AHHH This method has been proven to produce extremely fast and effective relief of Starcraft ladder rage. If screaming method is too loud to be useful to you, the screams can be replaced with whimpers. For reference, here is a video displaying this method used. It shows one individual emitting controlled screams, in contrast to the other who has no control over them, and is thus raging and losing control of themselves. Example of this method | ||
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Lauriel
United States108 Posts
On May 09 2013 14:14 idkfa wrote: I'm thinking along the lines of the samurai code - throughout history, I don't think it's possible to list a warrior caste ahead of the samurai when it comes to legendary bravery. But they don't just go, "hey, I'm not going to chicken out" and hope for the best. If you haven't seen Ghost Dog: Way of the Samurai, do yourself a big, big favor and watch it, but only because it's bad ass, stars Forest Whitaker, and has a lot of cool Hagakure quotes. This one in particular, however, is relevant to what I propose: The Way of the Samurai is found in death. Meditation on inevitable death should be performed daily. Every day, when one's body and mind are at peace, one should meditate upon being ripped apart by arrows, rifles, spears, and swords, being carried away by surging waves, being thrown into the midst of a great fire, being struck by lightning, being shaken to death by a great earthquake, falling from thousand-foot cliffs, dying of disease or committing seppuku at the death of one's master. And every day, without fail, one should consider himself as dead. This is the substance of the Way of the Samurai. I'd say you should, rather than hope you can control yourself, begin your gaming session by imagining getting cheesed in all the most lame ways, and losing in the most humiliating fashion - while everyone that matters to you is watching. The fact is, you're going to lose ~50% of your games unless you're way, way up on the ladder, and randomness assures that you will lose in streaks of varying length. Losing, like a samurai's death, is inevitable, but if you approach it the way a samurai would, you might find an alternative to the mantra of "must remain in control" that yields better results. This is really helpful. I think part of my issue is when I sit down to practice, I imagine what I'm going to do and how I'm going to execute a strategy and improve. Then a cheese comes, I die in 5 minutes, and I'm super frustrated. Mentally preparing for such a thing ahead of time sounds like a really good way to not even let the rage ball rolling. | ||
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Lauriel
United States108 Posts
Just a few things to address to those who have mentioned them (most things have been mentioned more than once, by this point). 1. To those who say "stop holding yourself to a higher standard - you aren't good and you aren't going pro," let me be the first to tell you that I know that. I never, not even once, dreamed of becoming a pro gamer, or trying to be good enough to play at that level. The competitive spirit that makes me want to play is all personal, and not at all for any sort of professional game. I'm quite happy with my career choice and prospects. 2. I don't do drugs, but doing something to relax or clear my head before playing is probably an excellent idea. So much of SC2 is mental that if you go into a game without a clear state of mind, you've probably already lost. In fact, I can remember multiple games where I was still fuming about the previous loss, forgot something simple, and before I knew it, one loss cost me 2 games instead of one, which just made me angrier. 3. A lot of people have said this, and I never thought about it before, but even just saying "gg" after a particularly frustrating loss is a positive step towards maintaining civility and continuing to act like a human being instead of a frothing moron. I'll have to remind myself to do that, rather than just leaving the game. 4. When I'm ready (not immediately), I need to go back and watch replays with a pad of paper and physically write down the reason I lost so that I can feel as though even the losses are contributing to overall improvement. I don't do enough of that (read: any of that). Wonderful responses from nearly everyone. | ||
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FrogsAreDogs
Canada181 Posts
Just responding to the OP, have you tried getting some coaching and see what you level you are at mechanically, and where you are lacking in strategy? Once you have an understanding of your OWN skill sets and an understanding of what you need to improve, you can look at the game more objectively. Losing shouldn't be frustrating, it should just be a highlight of what you can improve upon. Perhaps after each loss, ask yourself why you lose and DO NOT say because I played bad. No matter how determined you are to just leave it as 'played bad', try to see what exactly cost you the game. Eg, did you react slow/misclick to a drop? did you mismicro and pulled an unit back when you shouldn't have? did you expand too late/early? These are the things that you can objectively improve upon in future games. Personally, when I lose a game where I don't understand HOW I lost makes me frustrated, but, if I can see the mistakes that cost me the game I am more than glad to have experienced the loss. | ||
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foxmeep
Australia2337 Posts
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Lauriel
United States108 Posts
On May 09 2013 16:04 foxmeep wrote: Are you FPS Doug? I'm afraid not. | ||
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mongoose22
174 Posts
How to get into SC2 Not that you're a newb at all; I find watching that one ep occasionally is a good way to remind myself about playing Starcraft for fun. As is watching any of Day9's Funday Mondays, and the Carbot animated episodes. It's good to maintain a good sense of humor, and doubly so when you lose. And as is often pointed out, losing is actually the easiest way to learn and improve, if you can step back and develop a good sense of identifying where exactly was the turning point and how you can prevent it later. (Day9 has a number of eps about improvement processes as well: 312 419 424 426) Given the way matchmaking functions, you have to accept that you're going to lose, and lose a lot, no matter how good you become, because the game will keep upping the stakes for you. Not handling that will ruin you. One particular thing mentioned in that ep that's helpful for me is to shoot the breeze with other people who also play the game if you can. It's a good way to let off steam or brag about what you're doing, and it's easier to be self-deprecating and laugh off your mistakes when you're replaying those games to others. The act of explaining tends to make you think more objectively about what you're discussing. You can use rubber ducking if you have to and have a rubber duck (or some other hopefully indestructible standin) to rage to or explain what you did wrong next to your computer. Finally, if you're mad about a loss, just take a break on the spot and step away from the computer until you calm down, maybe in some comfy chair you have nearby for this exact cooldown purpose so you can associate plopping down in that chair with break time. It's all fine and dandy to analyze your losses for notes, but you can't do that if you're going to punch a hole in your screen the next time you see a baneling. Here's a quick relaxation trick I learned from Tai Chi: rub your hands together rapidly to warm up your palms, look down, then (gently!) press your palms to your closed eyes and hold them there while you take a deep breath and relax your face and body, especially your shoulders. Removing your physical tension is surprisingly helpful in removing your mental tension. | ||
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