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On April 10 2013 19:01 TBO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 18:54 Dodgin wrote:On April 10 2013 18:52 YuiHirasawa wrote:On April 10 2013 18:50 SilentShout wrote: Hmm. MVP and co. will have easier competition, but worse lag. So that balances it out a bit? Still a rather smart decision by those 6, IMO. That's wrong. 20 European players can potentially kill Mvp. NA only have Scarlett. I don't think 20 EU players can kill Mvp in a bo3/bo5, look at IEM. I think way more than 20 players can kill him in online qualifiers where he is going to play with heavy lag
99.9999% sure he's seeded into premier, no qualifiers.
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Tey took our jerbs rabble rabble rabble...
Ah well, at least NA will be interesting to watch now. :D The one thing that bothers me is good players leaving GSL, but there is so much talent ready to take their places it's probably gonna be fine.
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Norway25712 Posts
Looks like the NA WCS might be worth watching. Hurrah!
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I think what is overlooked during all this Koreans-invade-everything discussion is that, with the new rules, there will be practically no foreigners trying to get into GSL/OSL any more. Pretty much no foreigner tried to get into Code A this time around, which is kinda sad.
I was told I can't try to play code a for gsl today/tomorrow or else I wouldnt be able to participate in WCS NA/EU, yet its fine to code s?
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On April 10 2013 19:03 Killmouse wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 19:01 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 10 2013 19:01 Ammoth wrote: How is EG-TL in proleague gonna work out? What happens to Coach park? Will the players just travel like crazy? From what I understand about the format they should only have to travel 1 weekend. It would be like attending a weekend event. The rest is played online isnt ro 16 and onward offline??
Yes but it's over one weekend atm ( just like a MLG\IPL sorta thing) they want that to change but not for season 1
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On April 10 2013 19:03 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 19:00 m0ck wrote:On April 10 2013 18:57 Dodgin wrote:On April 10 2013 18:56 s3rp wrote:On April 10 2013 18:54 Dodgin wrote:On April 10 2013 18:52 YuiHirasawa wrote:On April 10 2013 18:50 SilentShout wrote: Hmm. MVP and co. will have easier competition, but worse lag. So that balances it out a bit? Still a rather smart decision by those 6, IMO. That's wrong. 20 European players can potentially kill Mvp. NA only have Scarlett. I don't think 20 EU players can kill Mvp in a bo3/bo5, look at IEM. Offline ? Prob not . Online ? Totally different animal with the KR-EU lag. Online I totally agree, I just thought most of WCS was offline. I guess we'll get new details on that soon. Of course, MVP actually lost to both Monchi & Naama offline in Europe. If they can, 20 European players can. That was Mvp's worst tournament ever, and shouldn't be used as an example of how things will go now a little less than a year later. Well, his last game was losing to a foreigner in GSTL..
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WCS EU =
European Tournament with Korean Players ( ro4 full korean mode ) with American Money .
gj blizzard . this is so wrong on so many levels .
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As someone who follows the SC2 scene by reading the front page of TL.net daily, I now have no idea what is going on anymore. Mission confusion accomplished!
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United States97274 Posts
On April 10 2013 19:03 m0ck wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 19:01 Shellshock1122 wrote:On April 10 2013 19:01 Ammoth wrote: How is EG-TL in proleague gonna work out? What happens to Coach park? Will the players just travel like crazy? From what I understand about the format they should only have to travel 1 weekend. It would be like attending a weekend event. The rest is played online Two weekends, no? Ro16 & Ro8->final. oh maybe it was two
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United States33075 Posts
On April 10 2013 18:58 tribulator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 18:56 Serimek wrote: ROOT.YuGiHo might be the only Korean on a foreigner team to play WCS Korea I know of. He just qualified for Contender division this morning. Well he's the king of code A... would you rather him be Code A in NA or KR? I think the choice is obvious.
The King in the A!
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Tee-hee. Not surprised overall, although I didn't expect some of those names to be on the list. Many, many Koreans. Too many to make it a competition where NA players have a chance at being noticed in a positive way.
And they didn't even bother to include the Western Wolves Koreans for EU, that's three more players who are going to be coming over.
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On April 10 2013 19:02 SilentShout wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 18:52 YuiHirasawa wrote:On April 10 2013 18:50 SilentShout wrote: Hmm. MVP and co. will have easier competition, but worse lag. So that balances it out a bit? Still a rather smart decision by those 6, IMO. That's wrong. 20 European players can potentially kill Mvp. NA only have Scarlett. You make it sound like the Koreans won't be playing each other, that can't be correct, right? Or am I misunderstanding you?
I do hope the qualifier seeds disregard the nationality of the players so they aren't artificially spread apart.
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Terrible way to divide the community imo. Sure we get 3 tournaments per year where they will clash but I had rather just seen the korean scene in tact. Sure it's fun to see the (sub)top koreans competing with EU/NA on a more regular basis but I hate it far more to see korean community being divided so much. GSL got screwed, a large part of their non-kespa players just left. Sure code S remains mostly intact but it's still a shame.
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On April 10 2013 18:15 Fenrax wrote: MC, MMA, MVP in Europe...
seems like cheap way to get the popular player who aren't good enough anymore to qualify otherwise deep into WCS
The stupidity, it HURTS. Coming from an NA guy, what would you say if we would put your favorite NA players into the Korean region? MC MMA MVP are all better than anyone from NA and Europe. (Yes I know Scarlett beat MVP) How can you make such a statement? It really asks for a bashing.
You put the Koreans into a hard place, they just search for an easier / possible way. Foreigners ask for more money and support all the time, now you are going to blame Koreans for taking their chance? Seriously what
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I kinda feel bad for SC2 by now... They are really trying hard, but ultimately it has to fail. When the audience and the money comes from a different region than all players that can compete at the highest level, there is no way SC2 can get as big as the industry would have liked.
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On April 10 2013 19:05 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 18:15 Fenrax wrote: MC, MMA, MVP in Europe...
seems like cheap way to get the popular player who aren't good enough anymore to qualify otherwise deep into WCS The stupidity, it HURTS. Coming from an NA guy, what would you say if we would put your favorite NA players into the Korean region? MC MMA MVP are all better than anyone from NA and Europe. (Yes I know Scarlett beat MVP) How can you make such a statement? It really asks for a bashing. You put the Koreans into a hard place, they just search for an easier / possible way. Foreigners ask for more money and support all the time, now you are going to blame Koreans for taking their chance? Seriously what
did you just contradict yourself?
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On April 10 2013 19:01 ELlminator1 wrote: As soon as i saw this i burst into laughter. How blizzard didn't see this coming I will never know. LOL
They did, and they wanted it for a reason...
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i'm surprised so many people are surprised about this, and even more surprised that a lot of people seem to think it's a bad thing.
think about the NA scene. if the NA equivalent to Code S would be 32 NA players, wouldn't that be straight up embarassing? would anybody want to watch that? i can't even think of 32 NA pros, not even necessarily good ones. there probably aren't even 32 NA pros?
putting code B/lower code A and a few badasses into NA can't be a bad thing. it makes the NA tournament watchable, it means the finals isn't automatically Scarlett vs Major (assuming they play NA) and it means NA players might realize just how bad they really are and either start practicing for real or gtfo.
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I want the best players to win, AKA the Koreans, if foreigners are mad then they just have to get better. Having the Koreans in WCS NA makes the tournament watchable.
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On April 10 2013 19:05 Markwerf wrote: Terrible way to divide the community imo. Sure we get 3 tournaments per year where they will clash but I had rather just seen the korean scene in tact. Sure it's fun to see the (sub)top koreans competing with EU/NA on a more regular basis but I hate it far more to see korean community being divided so much. GSL got screwed, a large part of their non-kespa players just left. Sure code S remains mostly intact but it's still a shame.
GSL never got screwed. There are tons of oversaturation of talented players in there.
There are still the Kespa players.
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