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On April 10 2013 18:50 Jakkerr wrote:
With the only exception being players permanently living in another region. Because of what's happening now Blizzard killing their own concept of the WORLD?! championship series.
What the heck. It's not Blizzard fault that Koreans are simply dominating. International players need incentives to practice harder and get better practice regimes. Now, these incentives are created big time, competition will get fiercer, and it's the competition that interest all of us. I want to see Stephano defending Europe against Koreans. I want some real heroes. This infrastructure was absent beforehand.
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Jaedong forfeit coda a?????? This is so fucking stupid. Blizzard what have you done.
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On April 10 2013 18:55 Benjamin99 wrote:
GSL code S has just been destroyed and the NA scene going to be all Korean hahaha.
Nah, will just become infested with KESPA players.
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On April 10 2013 18:56 tribulator wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 18:54 Dodgin wrote:On April 10 2013 18:52 YuiHirasawa wrote:On April 10 2013 18:50 SilentShout wrote:
Hmm. MVP and co. will have easier competition, but worse lag. So that balances it out a bit? Still a rather smart decision by those 6, IMO. That's wrong. 20 European players can potentially kill Mvp. NA only have Scarlett. I don't think 20 EU players can kill Mvp in a bo3/bo5, look at IEM. Maybe if it's all 20 in a row, bo5, no dinner break... Make it happen, blizz!
NO PROBLEM. KR EAT KIMCHI power. No sleep no rest SC2 HWAITING!
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On April 10 2013 18:56 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 18:54 Dodgin wrote:On April 10 2013 18:52 YuiHirasawa wrote:On April 10 2013 18:50 SilentShout wrote:
Hmm. MVP and co. will have easier competition, but worse lag. So that balances it out a bit? Still a rather smart decision by those 6, IMO. That's wrong. 20 European players can potentially kill Mvp. NA only have Scarlett. I don't think 20 EU players can kill Mvp in a bo3/bo5, look at IEM. Offline ? Prob not . Online ? Totally different animal with the KR-EU lag.
Online I totally agree, I just thought most of WCS was offline. I guess we'll get new details on that soon.
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I guess I'm one of the few people who thinks this is a good thing as it actually makes the NA tournament worth watching...
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On April 10 2013 18:52 Highwinds wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 18:50 Jakkerr wrote:
In my opinion regions should have been locked.
Koreans play Korea WCS
NA plays NA WCS
Europe plays Europe WCS
With the only exception being players permanently living in another region. Because of what's happening now Blizzard killing their own concept of the WORLD?! championship series. then what would someone like polt do? he moved to na for school. so he would be forced to play KR with lag?
TSL rules that we used said that you can either play where you live (location) or you can play where you're from (nationality). This meant a couple guys like Polt/Violet/Naniwa would have a choice and the rest is still locked.
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On April 10 2013 18:56 Serimek wrote:
ROOT.YuGiHo might be the only Korean on a foreigner team to play WCS Korea I know of. He just qualified for Contender division this morning.
Well he's the king of code A... would you rather him be Code A in NA or KR? I think the choice is obvious.
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Poor Gom/GSL. They seem to be really getting the shortest end of the stick in all these. I feel as though they've spent all this time building themselves up as the premier league in the world, a prestigious league where most of the world's best players would want to play in to prove themselves.
And now Blizzard just steps in and replicates the GSL league system for NA and EU and draws away a good portion of the players. I think the loss of players and the replication of it makes GSL feel less unique and prestigious.
I hope they got some kind of benefit from this deal.
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On April 10 2013 18:57 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 18:55 Benjamin99 wrote:
GSL code S has just been destroyed and the NA scene going to be all Korean hahaha.
Nah, will just become infested with KESPA players.
Others will call that a bless ;p
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On April 10 2013 18:54 playa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 18:39 TheBB wrote:On April 10 2013 18:37 playa wrote:On April 10 2013 18:34 sc2superfan101 wrote:
Can someone please explain how this ruins anything?
Keep in mind that a GSL style NA/EU tournament with similar prize money didn't exist before this. Keep in mind that every country had a WCS last season and Koreans were only playing in the Korean WCS. Thus, non Koreans could actually win something... The better way to get non-Koreans to win tournaments is to establish a continously running tournament structure where they can meet good players and get better. This does that. If the person is too much better than you, though, you have no idea where to begin when it comes to fixing your play.
By this argument, we should start mixing the scenes now, before it's too late.
Certainly NA and EU will never catch up to Korea as long as being middling is enough to be best in those regions.
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On April 10 2013 18:54 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 18:52 YuiHirasawa wrote:On April 10 2013 18:50 SilentShout wrote:
Hmm. MVP and co. will have easier competition, but worse lag. So that balances it out a bit? Still a rather smart decision by those 6, IMO. That's wrong. 20 European players can potentially kill Mvp. NA only have Scarlett. I don't think 20 EU players can kill Mvp in a bo3/bo5, look at IEM.
Yeah, this is not WoL. I don't think the foreigner zerg bonjwas stand a chance against Mvp in HotS.
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On April 10 2013 18:54 Dodgin wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 18:52 YuiHirasawa wrote:On April 10 2013 18:50 SilentShout wrote:
Hmm. MVP and co. will have easier competition, but worse lag. So that balances it out a bit? Still a rather smart decision by those 6, IMO. That's wrong. 20 European players can potentially kill Mvp. NA only have Scarlett. I don't think 20 EU players can kill Mvp in a bo3/bo5, look at IEM.
Hm they probably can. RO16 onwards have to be played online in Europe right?
With the lack of team house and Mvp's injury, i imagine it is harder for him to treat his injury and train properly.Maybe the Europeans can try to delay for extremely long macro games in each round, making his condition deteriorate day by day until he finally crumbles. Sounds like a manga plot.
All joking aside, that is one thing i am actually curious about actually, the living arrangements of these KR Pros.I imagine since LG-IM has partnership with SK, that they will be taken care of by SK.Reis or something.
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On April 10 2013 18:56 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 18:54 Dodgin wrote:On April 10 2013 18:52 YuiHirasawa wrote:On April 10 2013 18:50 SilentShout wrote:
Hmm. MVP and co. will have easier competition, but worse lag. So that balances it out a bit? Still a rather smart decision by those 6, IMO. That's wrong. 20 European players can potentially kill Mvp. NA only have Scarlett. I don't think 20 EU players can kill Mvp in a bo3/bo5, look at IEM. Offline ? Prob not . Online ? Totally different animal with the KR-EU lag.
Mvp has the $$ to go to EU if he doesn't want lag, and all he has to do is get top 5 to go to the next phase/earn a lot of points towards blizzcon.
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WCS NA or WCS EU???
More like WCS KR : GLOBAL.
Go Koreans!!
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On April 10 2013 18:54 Qikz wrote:
The only thing is (TotalBiscuit if you read this)
Why are you sending the Axiom guys to the US and not Europe?
Obviously can't speak for him but I'm guessing it's to do with the fact that Total Biscuit and Genna are operating out of the US.
It might be somewhat of a convenience thing.
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On April 10 2013 18:56 archonOOid wrote:
I think ladder practice in the US will finally be worth while investment. If they move over to the america it will raise the skill level.
Most of them won't. Code A (challenger league) and code s (premier league) is online except for ro16 -> finals which will be played in 5 days spread a cross 2 weekends. There is no need to waste your time practicing on eu/na ladder except for getting used to the lag from korea. Nobodys skill level will be raised from this.
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On April 10 2013 18:54 Rozzy18 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2013 18:46 m0ck wrote:On April 10 2013 18:43 Doriboi wrote:On April 10 2013 18:30 sc2superfan101 wrote:On April 10 2013 18:23 Doriboi wrote:On April 10 2013 18:11 Kasaraki wrote:
I don't mind, I prefer this to all-NA or EU tournaments, haha. And the WCS finals will be with more Koreans. Honestly this news is pretty fucking disgusting. Once again the SC2 scene in North America will continue to stagnate rather than develop. So while its great to see your C league (Nestea excluded) StarCraft 2 pros who couldn't cut it in Korea come to play in the American championships, this really needs to be reserved for North and South American players. Blizzard you guys need to fix this system, its already an issue. But we don't need to see Koreans who can't qualify in Korea come to America to steal something that isn't theirs. So all that money that didn't exist beforehand naturally belongs to foreigners... can't let the better players have it!!! Catz said it better than I did. Catz's thoughtsYou want to grow a scene or do you want it to stagnate and shrink? We're going through a revival of SC2 after the last 8-10 months of crappy games. But lets go back to what it was. Can't help but notice that Root is choosing to let one of the Korean players play on NA. But RootSage is Moving to NA.....so it makes sense
Ah, ok!
Still, there are only 3 Korean players playing on Korean teams going abroad and all to EU.
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On April 10 2013 18:52 Charlie.Sheen wrote:
So GSL is officially KeSPA-SL now
Well, let's see what ESF players have left KR...
Some LG-IM players.
Some MVP players.
Some Azubu players.
And the rest are foreign team players.
So that leaves the rest of LG-IM, MVP, Azubu, and also all of Startale, Prime, NS Hoseo, FXO.
Not too bad.
Now let's see what Code S players will leave KR...
MC
Hyun
Taeja
That's it. 3 out of 32. That's less than 10%.
Code A players from last season:
Ryung
Center
aLive
HerO
That's 5 out of 16. That's still less than 30%.
If it's 10% of Code S players and 30% of Code A players giving up, it's not too bad...
While it initially looks like Koreans are moving house en masse, upon closer inspection, it isn't anywhere near as significant. Still something to watch out for though
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