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Tsubbi
Germany7997 Posts
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Evil_Sheep
Canada902 Posts
On April 10 2013 18:07 Fionn wrote: North America:  LG-IM_NesTeaAzubu.viOLet Quantic.TheStCQuantic.HyuNQuantic.CenterLiquid`TaeJa Liquid`HerOLiquid`ZenioEG.JYP.RCEG.aLive.RCEG.Oz.RCEG.Jaedong.RCEG.Revival.RCAX.MiyaAX.RyungAX.HeartAX.AliciaAX.CranKROOT.SageCMStorm_PoltSooooo, let me get this straight: code B just became a $100,000 prize pool tournament qualifying the winners for even bigger paydays? Back to the drawing board Blizzard... | ||
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Ruscour
5233 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On April 10 2013 19:04 m0ck wrote: Well, his last game was losing to a foreigner in GSTL.. Yes, that was not a good game, but it was just one game, Scarlett went on to almost beat Yoda right afterwards who just 4-0'd his Ro32 Code S group. Don't underestimate her. | ||
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Torpedo.Vegas
United States1890 Posts
On April 10 2013 18:52 MasterOfPuppets wrote: In theory, you would be right. However this has a big chance of backfiring (from the foreigner pros' point of view) into even more Korean domination, simply because the skill gap might be so large that the foreigners cannot compete. Like someone said earlier in the thread, a high school basketball team will most likely not become better if they're pitted against Miami Heat. So it's a very tricky situation for the SC2 "ecosystem", if we can call it that. I agree it is risky. But isn't it also risky to lock all the "best" players into one tiny region where only a handful of them will ever even get the chance to really compete. I would think something like that would push prospective Korean pros and current pros away from the scene because "it's too full" or no realistic chance of going anywhere. Considering most people want to see top tier play, if Korea starts slipping ( or worst case scenario stagnates until there is no new blood coming up and implodes), will the viewership stick around for NA and EU locked scene to "catch up" under their own power? In other words, in a locked scenario NA and EU would have to improve fast enough to a point where locking can be removed, before the Korean scene cannibalizes all of its talent on sparse opportunities. Otherwise well be stuck with 2 half-baked scenes and 1 dry overcooked scene with all the succulent talent juices pushed out the esports roast. | ||
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TBO
Germany1350 Posts
On April 10 2013 19:03 Dodgin wrote: 99.9999% sure he's seeded into premier, no qualifiers. hmm yah as MVP wasnt in Code A or S that makes sense. However if MC, Taeja or Hyung get a seed, it would be wrong on so many levels edit: OP has this: Players like HyuN, MC, and TaeJa* who are/were qualified for this season of Code S will be able to play the qualifiers for Season 1 of NA/EU, but will only be able to advance as far as the Challenger League. (They won't be able to play in the Premier division of NA/EU until Season 2). [Players don't have to forfeit their Code S spots to do this.] so I'd assume they are not seeded. | ||
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Derez
Netherlands6068 Posts
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NarutO
Germany18839 Posts
If losing 1 game means you are the worse player to you, then yes, otherwise no. | ||
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Musicus
Germany23580 Posts
On April 10 2013 18:52 sc2superfan101 wrote: Not really. I'd probably watch the finals just for the Koreans though. I am one of those rarities that likes Korean players more for both personality and skill level. Honestly, if foreigners can't even beat a couple of Code B Koreans who are flying back and forth every other week... than they really need to get better. They can whine about infrastructure all they want, but will it change anything? Playing in region locked WCS's didn't seem to be growing the scene (or their skill level) at all before, so why would it now? Hm okay, that's fair. I'd still like a starcraft olympics and more regional competission as in normal sports. I mean I love to watch MLG with top16 koreans or GSL, but I also want to know who is the best in germany, eu and so on. Well we still have EPS (thanks ESL!) so I am not too bothered. Just would've loved to see more national competission around the world. Having stronger players in EU and a gsl style format, so an ongoing competission will help growing the scene, so it's all good. Just tried to explain what most people wanted to see. | ||
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MrJoKer
France232 Posts
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pms
Poland611 Posts
On April 10 2013 19:08 MrJoKer wrote: MVP will be in Europe <3 GSL , I mean WCS Korea loose a loot of prestige for me without all this players. WCS world finals is going to have this prestige now. | ||
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budar
175 Posts
On April 10 2013 18:52 sc2superfan101 wrote: Not really. I'd probably watch the finals just for the Koreans though. I am one of those rarities that likes Korean players more for both personality and skill level. (emphasis mine) -> That's the whole point. I also don't really care where someone is from if they can play great games, but there are a lot of people who chose their favorite players based on other criteria, and that's actually perfectly fine and happens in all sports. Especially if you're cheering for your hometown/homecountry representative, it's really completely understandable and desirable. And the point that you are missing is that this is killing that. So you might get some great games in the first season (in the offline event, doubt the online part will be too hot after a few weeks of initial interest), but how long will that continue if viewership and general interest in the game declines. Just look at the LoL and DotA2 scenes... The situation in terms of skill is actually really similar to SC2. North american teams are behind EU teams who are behind Asian teams, with a handful of Stephano-like exceptions. But these scenes are completely separated except for THE big tournament where all roads lead to. The NA LCS is getting great numbers even though those teams are actually pretty weak right now. But hey, people care about them, they know these players from their stream etc. Anyway, it remains to be seen how this will turn out. I might actually watch the NA one now whereas without the Koreans I probably wouldn't have. But that's me and you and people like that. What about the "average Joe" browsing twitch and eating Hot Pockets? | ||
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arkedos
Germany1426 Posts
On April 10 2013 19:06 Eire_91 wrote: I want the best players to win, AKA the Koreans, if foreigners are mad then they just have to get better. Having the Koreans in WCS NA makes the tournament watchable. thats true, because there are no real good players in NA except for maybe the likes of scarlett and maybe IdrA (although he hanst shown any good games for long). But now the NA tournament will be great :> | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On April 10 2013 19:08 MrJoKer wrote: MVP will be in Europe <3 GSL , I mean WCS Korea loose a loot of prestige for me without all this players. Such nonsense. WCS Korea(GSL) Code S will always be regarded the toughest league. Mvp is Code B. Sure he is the best player in WoL but based on current form he isn't Code S level. | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On April 10 2013 19:07 Dodgin wrote: Yes, that was not a good game, but it was just one game, Scarlett went on to almost beat Yoda right afterwards who just 4-0'd his Ro32 Code S group. Don't underestimate her. I don't, really. She looked really solid against MVP, though she also had a bit of luck in how their respective BOs worked out. I'm suggesting that you're slightly overestimating MVP, who will after all be playing online from KR->EU against plenty of players able to take games off Koreans. Just look at EU results against Koreans in the last couple of weeks - they've (mostly) been tearing it up in the team-league hosted by Take. | ||
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Benjamin99
4176 Posts
On April 10 2013 19:10 FakeDeath wrote: Such nonsense. WCS Korea(GSL) Code S will always be regarded the toughest league. Mvp is Code B. Sure he is the best player in WoL but based on current form he isn't Code S level. lol? lose a few matches and you are not Code S level. Seriously this community sometimes haha | ||
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Miss_Foxy
Singapore109 Posts
Overall, I'd say it's a good change since the Koreans have already been moving overseas over the years, and this allows them to earn more than before. Plus, having Koreans in the NA/EU scene makes it more exciting to watch, sort of like having a strong division to fight against in the home ground. | ||
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EtherealDeath
United States8366 Posts
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
On April 10 2013 19:12 m0ck wrote: I don't, really. She looked really solid against MVP, though she also had a bit of luck in how their respective BOs worked out. I'm suggesting that you're slightly overestimating MVP, who will after all be playing online from KR->EU against plenty of players able to take games off Koreans. Just look at EU results against Koreans in the last couple of weeks - they've (mostly) been tearing it up in the team-league hosted by Take. I posted previously that online I agree that Mvp can lose to a lot of EU players. but once it hits the LAN stage with bo5's he will be very difficult to dethrone for them. | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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